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ralphgraphite
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Now that there is a Galaxy Bundle combining the T4/T5 Galaxies as one purchase, what's the chances of seeing bundles of other ships that have more than one Tier available in the C Store? Do people think this would even be a good thing?
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About the same as the chances of those other ships getting a couple of tweaks characterized as a "major revamp" followed by an attempt to drum up hype for said tweaks.
That's what got the Galaxy packed into a bundle, and Cryptic is nothing if not as predictable as the weather in Death Valley.
They aren't as strong as others - but that's a battle I don't even want to get into.
Personally, I'd be tempted on another bundle - the lower Tier ships are a waste to throw zen at unless you really want them, but a group pricing (so it isn't a wasted purchase when you hit level 50) would make them more tempting.
Excelsior is still solid. Performs well both tank and gank, and has a solid following. It fits into the current a2b meta well.
Nebula is a goner, and doesn't have the same following as the other 2 to begin with. Science + eng just doesn't translate into a2b. Without a2b, it's not that great a science ship either. The "science tank" lost its place.
Intrepid had the most following, but was screwed from the beginning, when Cryptic broke canon and made it a mediocre science ship with poor dps instead of an escort. Canon Intrepid has 18 beam arrays compared to the Galaxy's 10, dual warp cores to feed it power, and can take on a tac cube alone while regular cube can decimate a fleet. Nothing short of Warship Intrepid will sell at this point.
According to Smirk it sold pretty well. The timing on it was great in terms of hitting a sweet spot where people wanted to buy something, anything and there it was all bundled up.
The PR worked well on folks too.
The Forum rage was really overshadowed by the social media push, and the rotating ads on the launcher made it a nigh irresistible impulse buy for some.
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So let me get this straight. Canon suggests that the Intrepid should be an escort?
Because it has more beam arrays than a cruiser?
Beam arrays?
Escort?
Beam ... arrays? ... Escort?
So what escort in STO are you running beam arrays on?
You hit the nail in the head, just not the one you intended - There are way too many beam array escorts running around atm, that says something about the current state of FAW Online.
In any case, Intrepid as a cruiser would also make sense. Canon Intrepid has that dual hull and ablative plating, intended to soak up damage as well as dish it out. The only role that would not make sense is actually science. Voyager doesn't have an astromatrics or deflector abilities that are hallmarks of science ships, present in real science ships such as the Nebula. Voyager's science crew complement is tiny. It doesn't even have a senior science officer, just a doctor, who was replaced by a hologram. Cryptic slotting Intrepid into science just shows that they don't know or care about the series.
Have you ever heard a Dev stating "XY didn't sell.." "this game doesnt run good... its all doomed"?
I've been around in that game since release. And every time a new ship came along or a new bundle was released, ESD and sector space were FULL with those ships.
But the Dyson ships? That according to the devs "sold extremely well"?
Those are rarely around and the very few I see can easily be the free versions.
Same for the Galaxy... there were a few more around but not many. And those could have easily been sold before and just unpacked again.
So no matter how much they insists that those ships sold well... they simply obviously didn't.
eh in fairness the term science ship is a pretty arbitrary one. cause outside from one or two rare exceptions ALL Starfleet shuips are science ships/ really I tend to see science ships as, for the most part, ESPECIALLY at captain tier and beyond as more being "Light cruisers"
not as large, not as heavily armed, but faster, I've ALWAYS seen the Intrepid as a light cruiser to the sovvy's heavy cruiser
Yes! DStahl had said that many times in the past about KDF ships and c-store stuff. Geko said it about cruisers, specifically citing the Reagent, around the time the Kumari got released. And I believe even Stormshade got in on the act when discussing why Ferengi, Pakled, Tellarite and Rigellian were being bundled into the Free to Play model, but Fed Klingons weren't.
That one, no, never heard them say that.
YET!
I've been ending up in PUGs with the Dyson ships alllllllll the darn time. And the Galaxy Dreadnaught I can't seem to get away from, be it Mirror Event (not the enemy, but actual group mates), or ESD, or even the B'Tran cluster. They're everywhere dammit!
True, but its hard to take them at their word recently.
And its doubly hard to believe someone who is smirking.
And the thing about many of those comments made by devs, is that the statements were being used to justify other decisions.
I imagine the Galaxy pack did sell, although i doubt it sold at anything like the volume it would have had it been revamped with any care and attention at all.
If they'd done a proper job of it, sorted the graphic problems, given the Gal-R a more than cursory look, then they'd have sold enough to fund the next two seasons.
Bit too much 'meh, good enough' and not enough 'can we make this any more awesome'.
ETA To put it into developer terms......
A bit too much EA, a bit too little Valve.
Voyager was a multipurpose ship, from what I can tell. It lacked the massive hull of the Galaxy, but was able to hold its own in terms of defenses and speed, as well as a bit of sciencey stuff. A bit of hero armor mixed in there too.
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It was probably the most science-y ship in all of the shows. I feel like it dealt a lot of damage... The one in-game feels like it needs more tactical.
I will concede that point.
I think in cannon, the Galaxy is more of a battleycruiser, the Intrepid's a frigate, the Nebula's a full on warship because of the mission pod, and the Defiant is really just cannon fodder.
Well I don't see many of them and didn't when they were released.
And about the Dyson ships: Even if, they were given out "for free" to everyone.
And for Klingon ships other laws apply: Remember that they have to find excuses to not invest any work into the KDF.
That has to be a big cannon to stuff them in there :P
In canon Voyager and Galaxy were multipurpose ships, they don't HAVE battle/war/combat ships outside the Defiant and the Prometheus.
We don't really know much about the Nebula but we can ASUME the same for her.
It's been tweaked into a Defensive Support/Tank hybrid, and has done quite well in STFs, Elite STFs, all the other PvE content, and the story...I don't PvP, though, so I suppose I can't say anything on that...but my friends in-game will vouch for it's performance, to date!
I fly a Fleet Nebula on one of my toons and I'm extremely happy with her too.
A fine science ship, with the resilience of a cruiser........and its turn rate, but turn rates are easily boosted.
However, i would be interested in a Nebula three pack, that gave us options for the mission pod.
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I broadly agree.
This wouldn't be a ship bundle in the usual sense.
I see it as a console bundle, each console changing the appearance of the mission pod, with only one able to be installed at a time.
Call it 500 zen a console, 1250 for the three pack.
I'd buy it.
A freighter is also a large hull, and it's soft. Intrepid's double hull is supposed to let it survive fights that larger, older, softer ships like the Galaxy couldn't.
So a few graphical updates and very minor gameplay changes will make you shell out $50? I'm sure Cryptic is glad to hear they can do little work for a big payoff.
Cause it was lame compared to the others.
Actually the engineering section was identical too, exempt the way it connected to the saucer.
And the Luna has a mission pod, too.
it needs some love that ship.
The regular Galaxy seems a bit pointless - too many engineering slots you can't use, and no giant cannon. The best reason to fly it is because you hate the 3rd nacelle.
I definitely think that the Intrepid needs some help. I see no reason to go back to the Long Range Science Vessel after I've had the Vesta. The Vesta can do eerything the Intrepid can, plus it has better console powers, a hangar bay, and can fire aux-based weaponry.
Maybe, if cryptic ever gets it done, the extra secondary deflector would make it more interesting. But only if the Vesta doesn't get that.
It's a shame - I've found a nice kitbash from the different LRSV variants that I really, really like. But I like the Vesta looks, too. If you had given these toys to the Recon Science Vessel or Olympus, I might still prefer the LRSV, but the Vesta is fine.
Maybe they should actually make a "Voyager Bundle":
- Nova Class Fleet Retrofit
- Delta Flyer Shuttle
- Intrepid Retrofit
- Warship Voyager Tier 5 Fleet "Science Escort / Science Destroyer" variant of the Intrepid?
AAAARGH! that ship doesn't exist! It's not canon, Starfleet never ever did such thing, nor in a Mirror Universe!! it's just a theory of a 800 years later civilization of the REAL Voyager passing its system during a war.
A civilization that Starfleet does not even know it exists, in a time where even Braxton might be dead.
I suggest you to go watch that episode again because you didn't quite get what they talked about! :mad:
How come people still ask about such thing?!
The Galaxy dread that's also from the future - a future timeline that's been erased, gets its own bundle. Not to mention the rest of the future alien mirror time traveling ancient ships we get. Did I miss something? :rolleyes:
except did it get erased? step back and look at what we saw in "all good things"
look at what we saw.
Picard having retired from Starfleet to become an Ambassador? Check
Beverly Crusher having Married Picard? Pretty sure that's a check
Beverly Crusher commanding the Pastur? Check
Data a professor? nope (unless it's a VERY recent occurance) that said he is emotional like in AGT
Will Riker an Admiral? Check
Geordie La Forge a writer? not sure. (it's possiable he is)
Geordie with Implants? Check
The Klingons having invaded the Romulan Star Empire and relations with the Federtion having deterioated to the point of war? Check
Worf serving with the Klingons? check
The two big things in the anti-time future that didn't occur is Worf and Riker having a falling out over Troi (Worf ended that in part BECAUSE of what he heard about the future from Picard)
and the Enterprise D still being around.
by and large a lot of the broad strokes seen in all good things turned out to be true.
Which makes sense, Q being whom he is why WOULDN'T a future constructed by him be fairly true to the details of what's coming. Time IIRC has little real meaning to the Q
Data disappeared along with the Enterprise-E with all hands. If he was still around, it is plausible that he would have chosen to retire from active Starfleet duty when it gets decommissioned.
In a slightly different timeline, I can also imagine the Enterprise-F being built as a Galaxy Dreadnought, especially if Starfleet felt that their newest Enterprise should be more weapons-oriented as opposed to the tanky Odyssey class.
I'm not sure I buy that. I've seen Galaxy-X's all over the place at social zones. It's not uncommon to find five or six at ESD in orbit, for instance. A lot of them seem to have saucer sep, no less, and I'll bet a lot of people who bought the Gal-X did not buy the Gal-R before this.
Heck, I myself still like the Gal-X quite a bit.
I don't know about the 18 arrays figure, but the Intrepid class does not have dual warp cores. It has a spare warp core - in pieces in an elongated cargo bay. It's not going to be providing power for anybody unless they replace the main warp core with it, or stick it in another ship, in which case it won't be doing much for that particular ship.
I agree that the Intrepid was treated badly here (and I know - I bought one with my 700 day vet token for my sci), but I think the way some characterize the ship is a bit silly. It's been implied that it has firepower similar to the Galaxy class - I just can't fathom that. It wasn't designed for anything like that.
Well I'd approach it the other way around...
What do we know changed?
Assumed that the agt future was actual time travel and not a giant illusion, the first point we know it went diffrent is generations, means the enterprise crashing.
That might have happened because the experience from agt influenced Picards decisions at that point. But we don't even know that, we don't know what happened there in the agt timeline, may be... Picard would have chosen to be on holiday at this time and riker would have commanded the enterprise.
We only know the ship got destroyed. And we have to think what impact that had.
It's actually a surprise that the stories of the enterprise crew itsself are so close to that timeline, because with the ent d gone their lives would have been very diffrent.
And the only difference I know if is troi not beeing death, or better, I didn't read anything about her, she might be very well dead.
Also there were tensions between riker and Worf because of that death, which were related to Worf and troi beeing a couple. We did never hear what caused her death, but it might be connected to that.
And that relationship ended much sooner because of the ent d beeing destroyed.
Data, btw, I s a professor now as far as I know, became it just recently when the ent e retired, was mentioned in one of those ent f story cryptic publishes. And he is not even data, he is b4. Would data have even died if the enterprise d was involved in nemesis not the enterise E?
But then the next question is: how did that effect the rest of the universe? Worf would not have joined the ds9 crew. Probably. The enterprise d would have been in the enterprise es place during the events of all movies. But beside having quantum torpedoes and looking better (IMO) I don't see what the e can that the d can't.
So in that universe, what should that alone change? That are the fates of a few souls within a universe that includes thousands of plants filled with billions of people each, and thousands of other spaceships flying around. It wouldn't necessarily have a big impact on the general universe.
And it wouldn't necessarily have an impact on how they decide to upgrade the dozends of galaxy class ships decades later.
As said above within those stories published in the Star Trek magazine it has been mentioned that data returned and retired when the enterprise e was retired and is professor now. Although on a diffrent university.
At least that's what I have been told.
About the enterprise f beeing a gx...
We don't know for sure (we almost nothing about the gx) but if find it extremly illogical to "BUILD" a gx.
I believe it was just a modicifaction done to the usual galaxy class. May be to bring her up to speed with the newer technical advances in general, may be a "tactical" upgrade in preparation of a war.
But I highly doubt that any ship was build as a galaxy x in the first place. It's only am upgrade to the normal galaxy in my opinion.
The fact that all of the Galaxy variants had been for sale all along would definitely mean that the redone versions would sell less than a set of all-new ships--a lot of people would already have bought them over the past three years that they had been available, and the "new" customers are largely those who had only one or two and wanted to complete the set, or those who were enticed by the 3-pack bundle discount, or those who weren't going to buy them before but were enticed by the upgrades to the Galaxy-X. The "hard-core" fans had already bought them.
The Intrepid definitely needs some strengthening. How about an Emergency Command Hologram ability, allowing you to bypass the cooldown on one BOFF power one time per use? In other words, you would click the ECH icon (which would then go into a 3-5 minute cooldown), then can click on any normal BOFF power that is cooling down to activate it instantly. I would limit it to BOFF powers (not Captain powers or console powers or other built-into-the-ship powers such as Phaser Lance).
Given the circumstances of the Enterprise's destruction in Generations, the easiest way for the Enterprise to survive would be if Geordi did not get captured (and thus not have the transmitter attached to his VISOR that allowed the Duras Sisters to learn the Enterprise's shield modulation pattern that allowed them to bypass the shields). If Picard or Riker or Worf had been with Geordi and Data on the Amagosa Observatory, then they might have been able to prevent Geordi's capture when Data was paralyzed by fear.