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Undine story..umm, what?
newplayerguy7
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From Season 9 Blogs:
In the feature episode from Season 8.5, “A Step Between Stars”, the Undine use the link between the Solanae and Jenolan Dyson Spheres to make their way into the Alpha Quadrant, unleashing this powerful enemy on the squabbling factions of the Federation, Klingon Empire, and fledgling Romulan Republic. What are the Undine up to, and how will the factions deal with this threat? These questions lie at the center of the story being told in Season 9: A New Accord.
http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3038123
The Undine are attacking! Planets from the Alpha and Beta quadrants are under attack and you’ve been called on to defend them. Queuing up for this mission will send the player to one of four locations: Gornar, Andor, Cardassia or Ferenginar. There you will face the Undine. They have implanted a fully grown planet killer in extreme orbit.The player with the aid of local forces will need to push through waves of Undine ships in order to close the fluidic rifts that are reinforcing the Planet Killers defenses.
http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3040143
Umm..what?
So do they need the spheres to get to the Alpha Quadrant or not? If so, how did they push multiple HUGE planet killers through TWO bottlenecks teaming with enemies that guard them heavily(Voth, Feds, Klingons, Rommies)??
If they don't need the spheres to travel here (seems obvious since they are already here - and have been since launch), why aren't they attacking Earth, Qo'nos, and New Romulus with their Planet Killers?
So again - Undine Story for Season 9...umm, what??
In the feature episode from Season 8.5, “A Step Between Stars”, the Undine use the link between the Solanae and Jenolan Dyson Spheres to make their way into the Alpha Quadrant, unleashing this powerful enemy on the squabbling factions of the Federation, Klingon Empire, and fledgling Romulan Republic. What are the Undine up to, and how will the factions deal with this threat? These questions lie at the center of the story being told in Season 9: A New Accord.
http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3038123
The Undine are attacking! Planets from the Alpha and Beta quadrants are under attack and you’ve been called on to defend them. Queuing up for this mission will send the player to one of four locations: Gornar, Andor, Cardassia or Ferenginar. There you will face the Undine. They have implanted a fully grown planet killer in extreme orbit.The player with the aid of local forces will need to push through waves of Undine ships in order to close the fluidic rifts that are reinforcing the Planet Killers defenses.
http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3040143
Umm..what?
So do they need the spheres to get to the Alpha Quadrant or not? If so, how did they push multiple HUGE planet killers through TWO bottlenecks teaming with enemies that guard them heavily(Voth, Feds, Klingons, Rommies)??
If they don't need the spheres to travel here (seems obvious since they are already here - and have been since launch), why aren't they attacking Earth, Qo'nos, and New Romulus with their Planet Killers?
So again - Undine Story for Season 9...umm, what??
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Yeah, its a little sketchy on that point.
My only suggestion is that there are multiple entry and exit points in both spheres, and the combined task force can't cover them all.
Yeah, its a bit weak......
Slightly easier, the planets you mention have excellent defence grids.
Gornar's may be a bit battered after the KDF demolished it, Ferenginar's was installed by the lowest bidder, Cardassia's is also limited as part of the peace treaty and goodness knows what happened to Andoria.
Expect Story Consistency.
Pick one.
Before they had to use ships all the way to the doorstep of their enemies, risking being caught in the process... now they can spawn within the Stars radiation field, and replace entire federation ships, or they can wait for us to go to the Jenolan Sphere and do the same.
My monitor thanks you. It needed a shower anyway.
I'm also scratching my head, why the Iconians even bother with all of this. Are there only 10 Iconians left or something? With their technology they should easily be able to just conquer the whole galaxy. That also makes you wonder, how they were defeated in the first place and where this slave races that revolted disappeared to later, if they had the technology of the Iconians available.
Honestly it feels like designing the Sphere assets was just so expansive, that they had to reuse them for S9 as well. Having just ANOTHER sphere is rather boring, having this sphere being a sphere that somehow just jumped half the galaxy feels very contrived and beyond believe even for a badly written science fiction MMO. HOW much energy would be necessary to do that? Far more than the star in the Sphere provides over it's whole lifetime probably.
I was thinking about this too. I think this season will be the first where I say no to the new grind. I'm tired of the Voth zone. I'm tired of New Romulus. I'm tired of Omega and Nukara. I think I'm going back to the Breen dailies, the EE dailies and the star cluster dailies. I know those are grinds in a sense, but I actually enjoy playing those.
They mentioned having polished the Undine (probably just in time for an Undine lock box), so I'll replay Undine related missions as well. Other than that.... back to the Foundry and doffing.
Well, if the season is a huge disappointment I'll just have to learn how to use the foundry......
I have this idea, you see.......
Not to mention the part where the Undine already have ready access to the Alpha Quadrant. Or did Cryptic forget about the ginormous hole into fluidic space over in the Pelia sector block?
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Yes, yes they did. The entire of that area through the transwarp gate has been forgotten about since queues. I miss sitting around for hours looking for teams. haha
I remember standing ina que at a convention and hearing pretty much the same conversation about <insert species> in <insert series> in the late 90's
at least try and enjoy it before you pick it apart.
Along the lines of: "We interrupt this program for news breaking at the moment. The results of a study funded by Google has confirmed: Water is indeed wet and if absorbed into the lungs of humans, can indeed lead to death."
The problem with reusing enemy groups is the background lore. It's easier (and cheaper) to handwave the enemy group's previously established history and just write new stuff.
You must not be into comics at all. Part of the allure of new writing teams is the hope of these inconsistencies being reconciled or resolved in some way. NOT exacerbated to the point of parts of the audience rolling their eyes so hard, they almost pop clear out of their heads. Using a different enemy group might've been preferred but it's too late now.
No I am not into comics, I think the point of my post was lost on you, I was simply mocking what I was describing... not excusing it lol
Seems like there is more of a focus on putting in new races, so new lockboxs can come out then finishing the previous story.
Try not to speak for me, thanks.
I love comics because of those inconsistencies! Writers shouldn't be slaves to canon and need to feel free to twist established stories the way they see fit. That's why I hate the way DC loves to wipe the slate clean every few years and love the way Marvel consistently finds ways to acknowledge the constantly growing history of their characters while still managing to plant the seeds of new stories for the next set of writers to build upon or ignore at their leisure.
I guess you could make the argument that a writer too willing to ignore the parts of "canon" they deem inconvenient devalues that very history, but in my estimation that's part of the difference between a good comics writer and a bad one.
Uh, these stories "never have an ending" (this isn't actually true) because STO is essentially meant to be played forever. Until STO2, the story is never supposed to "end".
And your assertion isn't completely true anyway. Most of the individual story arcs have an "ending", in that the specific chains of events that their missions center around are resolved (more or less), and new information is added to the larger, overarching plot about the Alpha Quadrant's struggle against the Iconians.
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This. So much this. I didn't watch a lot of TV as a kid but the little TV I did get to see was always Trek. From this I came to expect a completely lack of consistency. It wasn't until college that I learned that episodic TV shows could have story consistency. And that it was expected actually.
I guess that makes me the perfect audience for Cryptic's writing staff. Is that a bad thing?
Deep Space Nine somehow managed to be consistent most of the time. Is that an accident? Or did Ira Steven Behr just coordinate his writers better?
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Ira was one of the best writers/producers Trek ever had so its quite possible. The list of good episodes he wrote for DS9 is impressive.
This.... essentially.
But the OPs question is quiet legit IMO.
The way I got it they needed the sphere to get bigger ships and greater fleets "here".... But if those planet killers can arrive without the sphere... that explanations gets a bit invalid...
I wonder what the next big enemy will be... we have had Borg, Tholians, Undine, Voth... I wonder if Mirror Universe is next... and when the heck are the Iconians coming?
Well nothing wrong with that in general. After all... the undine story line was never resolved it just.. stopped... and the ones of us actually liking the story wait for a follow up since then...
How that works was shown in Voyager: Scorpion.
My character Tsin'xing
I mean sure , Gecko remembered Dinosaucers more than the Voth , but with the geometrically problematic "Planet Killer" (this thing needs to move through Fluidic Space , thus it should have had a submarine look to it -- something that can move through the friction of water) -- plus the fact that they discarded the many abilities that the Undine have shown in the shows just to promote their silly "storytelling" (hey ... "claw swipes" were something the Undine actually did on the show ... - so of course that got removed now) , well that just tells me all that I need to know really .
Cryptic has given up .
Now it's all about the "fun" as they see it . And money . And not in that order .
Could starfleet install a giant screen with loudspeakers at the entry points?
Or perhaps players will be given a special JB console in lockbox??
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