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I did the Step beyond the stars mission three times so have the Solonae set which I'm going to leave on my free 4th anniversary Dyson Destroyer and I'm now currently crafting the Aegis set from Memory Alpha which I'm going to put on my Vice Admiral ship.
Turning now to the reputation missions I've started the New Romulus storyline first as that was the first one I stumbled across but I notice there are another three, are you supposed to do them in a set order so that you don't become too powerful too quickly?
I would hate to get all the way to the end of the New Romulan story only to find that I've now got the best set of ship devices in the game and there's no point doing the other three storylines, do the devices get better in order or is each set so completely different from each other that it doesn't matter which order you do them in?
Turning now to the reputation missions I've started the New Romulus storyline first as that was the first one I stumbled across but I notice there are another three, are you supposed to do them in a set order so that you don't become too powerful too quickly?
I would hate to get all the way to the end of the New Romulan story only to find that I've now got the best set of ship devices in the game and there's no point doing the other three storylines, do the devices get better in order or is each set so completely different from each other that it doesn't matter which order you do them in?
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Dyson marks are easily obtained in large bunches in the ground battlezone; rom by the epohh tagging, which takes weeks to get through as you're only allowed to do one run per day; nukara in crystalline elite.
The problem with doing all at once is a new toon will run out of XP and/or EC, additional toons can have a sponsorship token that halves the cost iff you have an account bank( 1000 zen). If you plan on kitting out a ship with rom plasma weapons you might want to do that first.
All of the XII rep gear is considered endgame rewards (although some is better than others). Pick the space set that matches your goals and skill tree. Do you want to squeeze every point of DPS out of your ship? Is your ship a healer? tank? ect. Having multiple sets is great With the new loadout system. For example, I use the Jem'Hadar set with polaron weapons and Klingon Honor Guard/Adapted Honor Guard with a torp heavy ship. So the long answer is how you use the sets makes them better or worse than each other.
Also, there is no such thing as becoming too powerful too quickly
For example, Adapted MACO / KHG from the Omega rep chain is great for control Science people. the Omega set from Omega rep is good for shield drainers as it essentially adds a tetryon proc to all your weapons. The new Dyson Sci-royers really love the Solanae set. Plasma builds almost need a Romulan set. Etc. Etc.
Therefore, you might want to poke around and figure out what set you need to get you going on your build, then focus on running that rep...
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On the other hand the dyson reputation is supposed to be friendliest for newcomers, since you don't need to buy consumables, and doesn't need too much xp.
But if you don't care about the storyline, as other people said, you can do in any order you want, read a bit about the gear you can get from each rep, and pick the rep with the gear you think is more useful for your playstyle.
In every place,
The deeds of men remain the same..."
borg/omega
tholian
romulan
dyson.
but there are events and stories in several of the arcs that sort of intertwine. i would go with what ever fits your play style (weapons, as well as what you like to do the best ie. cc, tank, heal, kill) all the sets have their strengths and weaknesses.
I thought the romulan and Omega reps came out at the same time in the start. Tholian was released with legacy of romulus. Nukara did come out with season 6 but the rep was after the romulan one.
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On the other hand dyson rep requires a lot less energy credits and XP, if you are a newcomer most likely you are not going to have them. so even if you don't need a gun for grinding marks, you will need at least an averge build for farming energy credits and XP
Also if you are a newcomer you might find the mark grinding frustrating, sure, you can get them easily by breeding epohhs, but that takes a few days, and the rewards from the queues don't worth the effort, so even if it's the easiest, is not the friendlier, not for a newcomer anyway
In every place,
The deeds of men remain the same..."
Technically, that isn't true. Some of my most profitable toons are completely devoid of useful equipment, being that they are KDF and Cryptic has not seen fit to actually create enough ships for me to buy one!
But I suppose you have a point: Dyson is pretty lenient in terms of requirements. You need a ship, or a gun, but not necessarily both, and the gun doesn't have to be any good.
Ironically, the Voth are one of the least-forgiving opponents, but the Dyson rep is probably the best/fastest one to bring a new character 'up to speed'. The ground set is also quite good and an excellent way to gear up your boffs. The passive bonuses from the rep are something you'll get a lot of mileage out of as well.
New Romulus is a good reputation for learning the basics. The Tau Dewa patrols are a great way for new players to cut their teeth and understand how to adapt to different situations. Each system/hostile faction has their own strengths and weaknesses that will test a ship in different ways - Hirogen will shield and buff-strip you, Gorn will throw down mines and Aceton Assimilators everywhere, Nausicaan will try to snare you and hit you with a lot of direct hull damage(via transphasic torp volleys), etc. The shield sets are decent, but disruptor-plasma space weapons you unlock are the true prize of this reputation.
Nukara.. honestly.. is a pain to grind and the rewards you get from it are more for show than performance. The best things you'll get out of it are the Web Mines, ground cryo-proc and the point-defense 'chain lightning' ability for rank 5. The weapons are mediocre(I'm saying this as someone who loves Tetryons) and there are better options(even from the exchange) than the sets you can get from this rep.
Omega is probably the gold standard. With no less than 4 distinct ship shield sets, a weapon set, and 3-5 ground sets, this is the reputation you use to pimp your characters out. Most of the sets are still considered to be the best in the game, even though they are the oldest. If there is one drawback to the reputation, it's that you'll have to look elsewhere to equip your ship with weapons. [borg] space weapons were made unavailable when this was converted to the reputation system. This reputation is also the least friendly towards people who prefer to solo/not run 5-man queues.
The passives offered are, of course, pretty nice, but the gear is far too niche to be counted as a "generalist" rep. For this, Omega is your clear winner: Versatile equipment pieces that are applicable to general usage. And since, for some pesky reason, you can equip only a single core part, any resources spent on anything except your final loadout are wasted.
New Romulus will be the easiest for the players who aren't going into PvE ques. Tau Dewa patrol will award 60 marks while, azure nebula rescue will typically reward 16-25 marks.
The patrol takes longer, but not by much. I personally like the Jabori system for patrolling. My buddy showed me this one, it is a straight forward space fight with three waves.
Do this 5 or 6 times to complete the tau dewa daily patrol.
Mine trap (ground) and Azure Nebula are both viable for some marks.
Once I started doing PvE ques Omega and Nukara both are going fast. I've gotten all of them to tier 3 with New Romulus and Nukara leading the way to tier 4.
Dyson isn't hard, but I think it will take me longer since one of the rep grinding missions only gives 150 rep an hour, and I can't be online 6hours playing to get the same as the other reps give after 20 hrs.
If I can say this and one person reads it and tries the ques, I'll be happy. I started thinking that even at 50 there was no place for me in a qued mission since I didn't have elite weapons and equipment. I was wrong, you can contribute, damage is damage, taking attention of ships and damage off others helps. In Azure nebula, I started off as a "tractor beam disabler" since usually I wasn't doing much popping of enemy ships. But that is HUGE in Azure Nebula Rescue, one guy focusing on disabling tractor beams can make for an easy que.
TRY a Que. Do it on normal if you want to just figure out what it is about, then later try out the elites after getting a feel for it.
What is the worst that can happen? They take fifteen minutes, you don't have to communicate with your team if you don't wish to...you may blow up, but if it isn't elite you won't take damage...
Try it, you may find you like it. I NEVER do group pugs in MMO's...but now I do them every day.
Also, join a fleet. Get some nice doodads for your ship.
When I signed into a particular alt, first I would turn in all my DOff missions and refill the DOff missions. Then I would queue for Infected Elite Space (Omega marks, dil, gear). After completing that, I would queue for Crystaline Catasrophe Elite (Nukara marks, dil, gear). Upon completing that, I would run Breach Elite (Dyson marks, Dyson Commendation, dil, gear). After finishing those three I would run the Tau Dewa patrol mission (Romulan Marks, gear from loot). To complete Tau Dewa Patrol, I'd start at Carraya, fly to Japori, fly to Beta Thoridor, fly to Narendra and finish at Gamma Eridon. While doing Tau Dewa, I would have the Tholian Red Alert mission in my mission queue and if it popped, I'd go do it (25% of Tau Dewa Patrol mission, Dil, Rom Marks). At the end of this mission run, I would go to New Romulus and sell everything I had looted (Exchange for premium items, vendor for trash). After I completing these missions, I would finish by loading up all rep missions on each of the reps. With this method I found I never ran out of cash, experience, or marks.
The total time for doing this was usually around an hour to an hour and a half. DOff'ing takes about 10 minutes. It would take around 2-10 mins for ISE, 8-15 mins for CCE, 10-15 mins for BE and about 20-30 mins for TDP. The times depend on how good the other players that you end up teaming with are. Even in the worst PUG's I ran into, I don't think I ever spent more than 30 minutes in any one mission.
I usually don't play anymore than one character at a time, so I would do this with one alt a day, then I would go do what I wanted for what ever remaining play time I had. I would also point out that the three alts that I got through the original three reps were done before the Sponsorship Token was live on Holodeck. That being said, it would be a breeze to do this again with the Sponsorship Token on any new alt I might wish to make in the future.
This is not the only way to do the reps, but it I found it worked for me. Good luck to you on which ever way you choose to do the reps.
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I completed the omega, new romulus and nukara with my main and after that, i never touched any rep system again with my other toons. Cuz im a bit tired lol. But it is supossed that you finish the reputation system with your main, and you can use a token to double the reputation exp for you others toon. So i f you have a toon that will benefit a lot from the new romulus reputation (cuz it is a science toon, or it will be based on plasma build, omega reputation is also good in this) then you can use the token adquired when you finished omega reputation in your main toon, to double the exp in your other toon, so u can reach the final new romulus tier 5 again faster than before.
About the Aegis set.. dont use the crafting system.. (btw my kumari has the full set of the aegis now, look at my signature lol) just gather the complete set from the exchange, it is not cheap (about 2 million each piece) but it will cost you a lot less than using the craft system.
1 tip, you should finish all the tiers of all the reputations (or the ones you are interested first) before you make any store / item project.
Although the daily mission may, on occasion, get you involved in fights with Voth ships, you're not required to actually win those fights. So, if you don't mind exploding, this mission can be done in ten minutes with no special equipment of any kind.
Of course, if you're grinding for Dyson rep gear, it's a different story, since that stuff requires Voth Cybernetic Implants, and the only reliable way to get those in quantity is fighting dinoes in the Battlezone. (They occasionally pop out of the equipment packages you get from filling a rep project - but not very often!)
After that, Romulan rep is easily gathered by raising epohhs... I don't think there's any non-combat way to get Omega or Nukara rep, though, outside of special events. Maybe you could grind away for ages at some of the non-combat missions in the Defera ground zone for Omega marks, but it wouldn't half take a while - and, as with Dyson, it wouldn't get you the special items (Borg Neural Processors in this case) you need for the good gear.
All the rep gear has its strengths and weaknesses, and which sets you like will depend very much on your personal play style - so much so that I don't think there are any hard and fast answers about which sets are "best".
And, as someone pointed out above, the Dyson storyline starts where the Romulan one ends... and the Romulan one includes references to "the situation on Nukara", so I'd assume Nukara is chronologically earlier, too. As far as that matters.
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Also, the dailies on New Romulus are "friendlier" than the other reps, less combat, easier combat when you DO fight. I find I can finish a New Romulus daily in a few minutes by tagging Baby Nanovs or dispersing bugs, but Nukara Prime and the Deferi Zone take a little longer.
To be fair though, if you aren't doing STFs, the Deferi Invasion Zone at least awards Fleet Marks in addition to the small number of Omega marks they grant.
Don't be afraid to queue for that ground STF! So many people avoid ground STF public groups but it's not warranted for Khitomer. A single competent engineer with mines will make it a breeze (no turrets please!). Elite Khitomer: In Stasis (sometimes called KAGE from it's previous name) is the second easiest STF after The Conduit.
Do both of them elite and you get a lot of omega marks, some neural processors which you need, almost 2k dilithium and possibly some good equipment (it's random and you're not there for equipment drops anyway). The Infected: The Conduit queue pops every few seconds but you might have to wait a few minutes for Khitomer. It's not that long though, it's still just popular enough that it does pop regularly.
I run both elite STFs with my four characters all the time. I've probably run both of those elite STFs more than all other content in the game combined. I think I can run KAGE in my sleep. My main character even got invited to a great fleet that specializes in borg STFs because he was lucky enough to be the lone random in a 4-man fleet team that queued for an elite ground and we kicked major TRIBBLE (and it was what's now called Infected: Manus which has arguably the most difficult optional of all STFs, contending for that title with The Cure: Applied).
tl;dr: Queue for those elite ground STFs, at least Khitomer.
After Omega it's up to the build you want to use, but I find Romulan the next most useful reputation.
That's what I'd recommend.
Doing them one after another will just drag it out. If you do it right, you can run the big projects on each rep system each day, without more than 30 minutes of daily ingame time.
You're not gonna get enough dyson, romulan, nukara and omega marks in 30 minutes. A new player will find himself short on more than one mark and possibly short on expertise.
Yes a new player will run out of exp trying to do all 4 at once... I've done this before and it's worked nicely:
Run nuk and rom at the same time: on Rom queue up an Azure Rescue (take Rom marks...), then do the sector patrol (am i the only person who perfers to do the Nequencia System trading over combat ones?), then a second azure if ready (take Rom marks again), then transwarp to K7, hop over to Nukara, queue up all available medium missions and a zone wide thinning,beam to bravo, complete the mediums, go back to base camp...
Result: 100-130 of each mark type... plus 10 fleet marks total time ~45-60 minutes. Thats almost enough to do 2 days each of the level grind rep tasks.... though you need the items which can get annoying if you don't have enough EC as an new player, but Azure and Nuk loot does sell decently enough that I've never had issues.
Also if you can always get the sponsorship token from a friend for whatever grind you are doing... save half the work!
You can also add in Eppoh tagging on New Romulus but i find that very frustrating and too long myself, yes it gives a nice payout in marks but I can get that many in far less time doing other things.
Red Alerts on New Rom can also be worth doing but they are hit and miss...
Once you are done Nuk and Rom, jump to Dyson or Omega, but only one at a time, just be aware that Omega is by far the slowest grind (ive done all 3 others in less time than Omega).
My other tips:
Grind all the way up before buying items... there's a bonus pool for getting to level 5 and that can instantly fill some of the item tasks.
Stay away from ground combat mission instances on New Rom... they are all hard, all give injuries, are long time wise and mostly give poor rewards. Especially stay away from the Warehouse mission in the staging area... who the heck designed that one!?
On nuk prime, the interior cave missions are a good way to nab a few extra marks if you have some time, but stay away from the hard level unless you have good anti-tholian gear.
AND Unless you are REALLY REALLY REALLY desperate for Dil, do not do any of the trade marks/item for Dil "upgrade" tasks... you will need those marks/items later guaranteed!
And when you are done all this you can start the worst grind of all... Fleet Marks :P
New Romulus is almost easy to the point of tedium. If you're really not feeling combat and want to just veg out and tag some epohhs and scan stuff, that's your rep. I've gotten my alts through it entirely on epohhs. You just have to be careful to make sure you're also doing something that will earn you Expertise, or you will bleed yourself dry of it. This is something that should be fixed when the other reps are revised to use the Dyson Rep's commendation mechanic.
Omega (Borg) is where you'll spend a lot of time. I don't know how many times I've done ISE among my characters. There are a lot of options for space and ground sets here, and they're all good. You'll have to work for them though, so it's best to have at least some decent gear before coming in, which Dyson can provide. New Romulus can get you a good set of guns too.
Nukara... ugh. The tedium. The poor efficiency of earning marks. The lack of rewards. Do this last, if at all.
1. You dont need to use AIM mode on the battlezone, in fact, its NOT recommended.
2. You dont need special anti - voth weapons, any XI or XII weapon will sufice. In the case of science captains or engineers, anti-voth weapons are more useful, but in the case of tactical captains, there is absolutely no need of an anti-voth weapon.
3. You dont need reputation or fleet equipment to do elite STFS, any decent XII wear will sufice. Of course as always, better equpiment helps, but it is not NECESSARY, on the contrary a lot of people says. Its something similar about PVP, it doesnt matter what equipment you wear, you can be destroyed in 2 seconds even if you have the best shields of the universe.
4. Again, there will be no FIX about exp issues. Everything is just fine about earning experience. This game works as any other games, if you want to earn exp points, you need to do something else, no get stucked in the reputation zones. If you want to farm dilithium and dyson reputation, yes , stuck to the battlezone, but if you want experience, you cant do that all the time. Its that simple. And its exactly the same as other games. In other games, experience is gained doing a variety of things, that gives you exp, the same applies to STO.
5. Nukara is the FASTEST reputation system to complete. You can earn about 200-300 nukara marks in a short time (1 hour or so) just doing the easy/medium missions on Nukara prime. Thats the first reputation i completed, i was amazed on how fast it went, but in the end, this is intended, since the Nukara reputation system is maybe the weakest one in terms of equipment.
6. Defera and omega reputation, on the opposite, its ideal to earn experience + omega marks, since there are 2 or 3 missions on Defera invasion zone that gives you ONLY expereience points and cant be repeated a few times a long the day.
It might not provide enough. It depends on how much you play each day. People have hundreds of thousands if not millions of excess expertise, but at the same time if you're progressing an alt through the rep system and don't play him a lot or do doff missions you might run short on expertise. I actually ran short myself on an alt I didn't play enough.
It's marks that are the real problem. In 30 minutes you will not earn enough marks to do all eight daily reputation missions. Maybe if you're tier 0 or tier 1 in all you might be able to, maybe.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=590121
This is a problem. I posted a thread long time ago, but its the way it is. STO is designed for players that spent several hours playing the game almost every day. If you are not in this case, but you are not in a hurry, you can just play the game step by step. It doesnt matter how much time it takes you to gather all the mark you want. But yes, of course in STO the more valuable currency is TIME.
Need, perhaps not. But how is it not recommended to get bonus damage from a free buff with no CD? The only reason not to be aiming is if you need to move, like if mortars are targetting you or you need to get over to where the action is. I really don't understand why people take issue with this.
You don't need, no, but they don't hurt, and it's a cheap way for a new player to get a decent gun. Remember, we're talking to new players, not grizzled veterans who can run ESTFs in Mk X green gear.
Again, maybe not need, but handy to have. Dyson set gear is easy to earn because of the big mark and dil payouts, and will give new players a leg up. This is the Academy forum, so I make my recommendations toward newbies. New players don't have skill yet, so they depend more on their gear. I would not tell somebody who just dinged 50 on their first character to leap into ESTFs with junk story and exchange gear, they would be a liability. I did that on my last alt and was fine, but I know how to build and fly a ship after two years of experience and a lot of research.
Dyson uses commendation tokens for the daily Rep XP project, which does not require an Expertise input. You can level the entire Dyson rep without spending a single EXP or EC if you don't run the hourly project. The devs have stated that the Dyson system, if successful, would be retrofitted onto the other reps. That would constitute a "fix" for the EXP drain the rep projects currently cause new characters.
As far as earning expertise, you can do that by playing just about anything which involves combat and/or gives a mission clear reward. Or Doffing. The pitfall is when you're logging in, filling New Romulus rep projects, tagging epohhs, then just TRIBBLE around or logging off. As long as you remember to actually go play the game somewhere, you'll be fine. That's all I'm saying there. Don't just tag epohhs, go do something else too. That's how I ran my Romulan alt down to 0 Expertise, which sucked, and we don't have the old Mirror event to farm it up anymore.
Aim mode is slow, its very range limited (you cant see what is behind you or in your side away) and the difference in damage is not noticeable 99% of the times. At least for me, i am a tactical and i kill a voth in 3 shots. Using aim mode, i kill em in 3 shots.
Yes im talking about new players. If you are new to the dyson battlezone, you dont need to be worry about carrying an anti voth weapon, if you already have a decent XII (even XI).
Agree that dyson is as well a really easy reputation. Actually i am doing it without even waste time in the battlezone... only time to time to gather some voth implants and thats all. I am already in tier 4 and i visited the battlezone only a few times.. Maybe the easiest one, but again nukara is faster.
And yes, that was my point about the expertise, if you do some space / ground combat not only in dyson sphere, you will be gathering experience without even noticing it. Thats the whole point, but if you stuck on the battlezone all the time, you will not gather enough exp. Happens everywhere.