Except that it has been stated that the Defiant, Akira, Norway, Steamrunner, and Saber classes were part of the Advanced Starship Design Bureau's response to the Borg threat, known as the Perimeter Defense Directive. While non-cannon sources place some ships such as the Akira earlier, they all came into fruition Post-TNG series.
Me too. I would be content with it being an alternate skin either for the Akira and her variants, OR as an alternate, non-customizable option(either/or, no kitbashing) for the Steamrunner/Blockade runner Escort.
Again in agreement. Using a real-world example, WW2 American battleships were still in use in the 1980s. They finally retired them in the late 90's. The USS Missiouri, where the Japanese surrendered was decommissioned in 1998! It is not uncommon for a design to stay in service for at least 50 years.
In a similar venue, the B-52 Stratofortress (BUFF-Big Ugly Fat Fellow) in still in use today! There are some pilots who are flying the EXACT same plane their GRANDFATHER flew. Originally, the plane was to deliver strategic nuclear warheads. Now, it is used as a munitions "dump truck". From a standpoint of cost, it is cheaper to use a B-52 than it is to use a B-1 or B-2. An with new bomb bay refits to both payload and release mechanisms, there is much more flexibility in what the plane can do.
You and me both. I was also against a T5 Connie, but now I just don't care anymore.
was that actually said on screen? or is this also beta references?
yes, look at the enterprise now, that just got decommissioned. they thought long and hard over weather they were going to decommission her, or refit her. (I think they made the wrong choice as now 1 of our 2 Nimitz sized dry docks will be useless while they decommission her.
I was also sad to see the ship I served on decommissioned this year :-( but they are coming out with another design, so out with the ticonderogas and in with the new I guess.
I think it would be a shame if cryptic ignored putting these canon vessels (even as skins) in the game. if this was not a star trek game, and it only used a few star trek skins, it would be one thing. but this is supposed to be the most comprehensive star trek game ever made..
all of the ships we discussed (even with brief glimpses on screen) made it into most other games, maybe not at the launch of the game, but eventually through some patches and what not, they all got in there. even if fan made, it shows that people wanted them.
to be honest, the constellation that is being released is even older than the ambassador lol.. I don't want to hear arguments about age anymore. they are totally invalid at this juncture lol...
canon facts to this? I don't recall them ever saying weather it was newer or older.. infact, when the akira and steamrunner came out, everyone was in awe of the new ships, and assumed they were (in canon) new designs. but later, with registry number identification, they found out that some of those ships had been around since the inception of the galaxy class...
just cause it was seen in a newer film, does not make it new.
As I said above the registry system in ST is massively inconsistent so I based it on the design of the ship itself. All TNG era ships (contemporaries of the Galaxy) have the same nacelles, Olympic, Freedom, New Orleans, Springfield, Nebula (all 6 versions), Ambassador (all 3), and Niagara. The Norway has the Steamrunners split hull, the Nova / Intrepid style deflector, the Akira's nacelles, and the lack off an engineering hull like the Steamrunner, Akira, Defiant, and Sabre.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
was that actually said on screen? or is this also beta references?
To be honest, the constellation that is being released is even older than the ambassador lol.. I don't want to hear arguments about age anymore. they are totally invalid at this juncture lol...
Yes, I believe it comes from "Ships of the Line" book and calendar series. CBS/Paramount has offically designated them as canon sources.
And you are correct about the Constillation. Heck, the Cheyenne was a low resolution BoBW kitbash! The New Orleans was more detailed and more visible that the Cheyenne. Yet the Cheyenne made it to initial release, yet the New Orleans did not.
And for when it comes out, I would like to see it use ALL 5 of the Galaxy skins. Here are my prposals:
New Orleans- Default Galaxy
Kyushu- Venture
Thomas Paine- Envoy
Rutledge- Celestial
Renegade- Monarch
canon facts to this? I don't recall them ever saying weather it was newer or older.. infact, when the akira and steamrunner came out, everyone was in awe of the new ships, and assumed they were (in canon) new designs. but later, with registry number identification, they found out that some of those ships had been around since the inception of the galaxy class...
just cause it was seen in a newer film, does not make it new.
that being said, I am a fan of the Norway, and am shocked it is not in.. however.. since they already have a ship that is basically the Norway, I see it as a skin only for the akira line.
I would also be more than happy with the niagra being just a skin for the ambassador. is everyone against it being a skin, cause I have brought it up like 3 other times in this thread, and all I get for feedback is everyone saying they shouldn't waste time designing a new ship for the niagra..
a skin would take almost no time. especially since most of the pecies are already in there. it would finally open up some customization options for the ambassador as well. and it only needs to be incorporated on an existing ships code.
as for the ships you mentioned.. I hate to break it to most of you, but this game is a star trek game.. all the above mentioned ships not only should be in the game (since they were seen on screen) but, most of them make sense for the timeline as well..
Starfleet didn't build ships to only be around for 10 or 20 years.. it was stated a few times on the various shows that the ships had been built for longer lifespans.. that the galaxy was basically built to last a few hundred years. Christ, how old was the excelsior, Miranda, and constellation class in tng? not only did they make it through tng, but they played roles in ds9 as well. and the tng movies.
this game has strayed so far from canon, it doesn't even matter. I used to be against a t5 connie, now, while if it came out I would not use one, I simply don't care.. the game has busted canon into a million pieces. I do my best to make my "own" experience canon now, and myself being a trekkie to the point of craziness, would like to see the ship I like in game.. say there is 100,000 players. even if only 25k appreciate these ships being added, it is a win, you've made 25% of your customers happy, you've made some revenue, and you've gotten something that has been a point of contention out of the way.
this thread is not the first thread to have been made lobbying for these vessels.. and again, they had enouph support that someone made the decision to put them on the schedule at one point.
any ship released. reguardless of weather it had massive screen time, will sell well. as long as they keep the power creep going. look at cryptic designs. no one has seen those, and they sell just fine.
Dunno if it really works as an Ambassador skin. I mean, the only real connection the two classes have is that they seem to use the same engineering hull design (which makes it less useful as a skin, as it would have less new stuff to bring to the configuration); otherwise they are pretty different.
I'd rather see it as an all new configuration with alternate skins of its own; new Niagara style components is really the only way to really compensate for the crudeness of the original kitbashing.
Yes, I believe it comes from "Ships of the Line" book and calendar series. CBS/Paramount has offically designated them as canon sources.
And you are correct about the Constillation. Heck, the Cheyenne was a low resolution BoBW kitbash! The New Orleans was more detailed and more visible that the Cheyenne. Yet the Cheyenne made it to initial release, yet the New Orleans did not.
And for when it comes out, I would like to see it use ALL 5 of the Galaxy skins. Here are my prposals:
New Orleans- Default Galaxy
Kyushu- Venture
Thomas Paine- Envoy
Rutledge- Celestial
Renegade- Monarch
well i would have to say no to the whole making the new Orleans apart of the galaxy line. as it is a much smaller ship. I have my own thoughts on what it should be, but that is kind of counter productive to the thread. **** ok before i posted, i re read what you typed about your galaxy skin idea, i mis interpreted it, you want it to have the ability to have those looks as well?. i left what i originally wrote cause i still believe it should be a separate class...
as far as those being "canon" sources, even "if" cbs called those canon sources. the definition of canon in reguards to how we are using it is on screen only.. anything else is considered "soft" canon. like the ds9 manual and what not.
now im not a stickler for only on screen. when something like the encyclopedia comes out, i generally will take what is in there as fact. im just letting you know that cbs giving a stamp of approval, and canon, are two different things.. lol..
yes, im actually not a big fan of the constellation class. never have been, not really sure why, it just never made me jump up and say oooh.. lol..
yeah im all for everything getting into game.. Christ, if they felt the need to make the Aventine there from the books into the game, there is no reason each ship present on screen shouldn't be in the game..
Dunno if it really works as an Ambassador skin. I mean, the only real connection the two classes have is that they seem to use the same engineering hull design (which makes it less useful as a skin, as it would have less new stuff to bring to the configuration); otherwise they are pretty different.
I'd rather see it as an all new configuration with alternate skins of its own; new Niagara style components is really the only way to really compensate for the crudeness of the original kitbashing.
i hear ya, but at the same time, being able to put galaxy style necelles on an ambassador would be cool, and having the different saucer and neck..
the star drive section actually isn't the same.. if you look at them, the flat section on the back end of the stardrive, where the pylons hook up, is missin on the niagra. to be perfectly honest, out of all of the kit bashed ships in that scene, this one has the most customizeation. the only thing it shares is the front part of the stardrive (ambassador) and the galaxy engines.. otherwise, the neck, the saucer, the pylons, and even the back half of the stardrive are all different.
i commissioned a model builder to build it for me, thinking it would be easy and cheap. it was neither. as he had to custom build almost everything, and only used half of the stardrive section from the ambassador kit we used.. lol... i got pleanty of spare ambassador parts lol.. (the necelles i ordered seperatly, but he even had shorten those to make the dimensions right.. )
i see a lot of cool customizeation options with that added to the ambassador. lower saucer with the necelles fully above the sauver. third nacelle. (but i wouldn't say no to a completely new ship either lol)...
I'd prefer a Wambundu class. It's a ship I've wanted forever and ever.
But I'm still a-OK with all the others mentioned making it in too.
lol.. yeah, that could easily be an alternative skin to the new Orleans.. what episode was that in, im wracking my brain trying to figure it out.. the wambundu is the one where the stardrive is shoved half way up the buttom half of the saucer, right? the the high warp engines in the back?
i hear ya, but at the same time, being able to put galaxy style necelles on an ambassador would be cool, and having the different saucer and neck..
the star drive section actually isn't the same.. if you look at them, the flat section on the back end of the stardrive, where the pylons hook up, is missin on the niagra. to be perfectly honest, out of all of the kit bashed ships in that scene, this one has the most customizeation. the only thing it shares is the front part of the stardrive (ambassador) and the galaxy engines.. otherwise, the neck, the saucer, the pylons, and even the back half of the stardrive are all different.
i commissioned a model builder to build it for me, thinking it would be easy and cheap. it was neither. as he had to custom build almost everything, and only used half of the stardrive section from the ambassador kit we used.. lol... i got pleanty of spare ambassador parts lol.. (the necelles i ordered seperatly, but he even had shorten those to make the dimensions right.. )
i see a lot of cool customizeation options with that added to the ambassador. lower saucer with the necelles fully above the sauver. third nacelle. (but i wouldn't say no to a completely new ship either lol)...
I built a Niagara class for Star Trek Legacy image here
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lol.. yeah, that could easily be an alternative skin to the new Orleans.. what episode was that in, im wracking my brain trying to figure it out.. the wambundu is the one where the stardrive is shoved half way up the buttom half of the saucer, right? the the high warp engines in the back?
The Wambundu was in no episodes, it's a name invented for the encyclopaedia to give a class to the USS Fleming and USS Drake.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The Wambundu was in no episodes, it's a name invented for the encyclopaedia to give a class to the USS Fleming and USS Drake.
lol, yeah that is why I was wracking my brain lol.. there are so many classes out there, its hard to keep track.. I mean there is more than jus the ships mentioned in here.. there is that god awefull medusa class (though not its canon name). the four necelled escelsior. the god awefull yeager. and so on and so forth..
the tng kit bashers were much better than the ds9 kit bashers lol.. to be honest, the only kit bash I like out of ds9 was the centaur and the excelsior refit.
I built a Niagara class for Star Trek Legacy image here
awesome.. now break into the coding of cryptic (shouldn't be too hard given their track record with break ins lol) and make it work in sto please.. I would mail you lots of money.. hahahaha..
I know its weird, but the niagra class "is" my favorite ship in star trek.. I don't know why, ive always just liked it..
it looks awesome in star trek odyssey fighting next to the excelsior as well.
but very nice looking model man.. thumbs up for you..
lol, yeah that is why I was wracking my brain lol.. there are so many classes out there, its hard to keep track.. I mean there is more than jus the ships mentioned in here.. there is that god awefull medusa class (though not its canon name). the four necelled escelsior. the god awefull yeager. and so on and so forth..
the tng kit bashers were much better than the ds9 kit bashers lol.. to be honest, the only kit bash I like out of ds9 was the centaur and the excelsior refit.
Excelsior Refit? That's the Ent B isn't it?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
yeah, I couldn't remember what came first, the ent. b in generations,, or the Lakota in ds9.. (holds out wrists to be slapped).. now that I think about it, I think the ent. b..
infact, every ship in canon, minus the constitution, the excelsior, the galaxy, the ambassador, the oberth, akira, sabr, Norway, intrepid, Prometheus, nova, and defient, were all kit bashes.
kit bashed ships..
miranda, constellation, nebula, new Orleans, arguably niagra, medusa, yeager, also arguably the Olympic class (as based off the dadealus class, but I cant remember if there was ever a canon view of a dadealus), springfield, centaur, suyez, freedom, chyanne, challenger, and curry class. im sure im missing a few..
even the defient is derived from the nova class. in an interview, they say if you trace the out line of the defient, it matches almost perfectly to the most of the outline of the nova 9seeing as though the nova was one of the concepts for the defient.. lol.. everything comes from something.. hahaha..
infact, every ship in canon, minus the constitution, the excelsior, the galaxy, the ambassador, the oberth, akira, sabr, Norway, intrepid, Prometheus, nova, and defient, were all kit bashes.
kit bashed ships..
miranda, constellation, nebula, new Orleans, arguably niagra, medusa, yeager, also arguably the Olympic class (as based off the dadealus class, but I cant remember if there was ever a canon view of a dadealus), springfield, centaur, suyez, freedom, chyanne, challenger, and curry class. im sure im missing a few..
even the defient is derived from the nova class. in an interview, they say if you trace the out line of the defient, it matches almost perfectly to the most of the outline of the nova 9seeing as though the nova was one of the concepts for the defient.. lol.. everything comes from something.. hahaha..
The Miranda is a scratch built model, not a Constitution kitbash, however the Antares, Soyuz, and two minor variants were made from the Miranda.
The Olympic is nothing like the Daedalus at all, that's like saying the Constitution is the same as the Galaxy just because they have round saucers. The Daedalus existed as a desk model in Sisko's office.
The Nova / Defiant is the Pathfinder Class, the shows Defiant has no trace of Nova in it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The Miranda is a scratch built model, not a Constitution kitbash, however the Antares, Soyuz, and two minor variants were made from the Miranda.
The Olympic is nothing like the Daedalus at all, that's like saying the Constitution is the same as the Galaxy just because they have round saucers. The Daedalus existed as a desk model in Sisko's office.
The Nova / Defiant is the Pathfinder Class, the shows Defiant has no trace of Nova in it.
ther was an interview (im searching for it now) that the designers of the defient stated that originally it was a modified version of what is now the nova class.. and that when the ship was rejected as the defient, they went back to the nova, and took parts of it, and drew up the defient.. in that interview, they say they traced the basic outline of the ship, and made a few modification, but that if you take the current outline of both ships, (looking down on them from the top view, that they share a very similier outline (silouet), and a lot of the same design features, sich as the bridge, even the notch in the front of the saucer where the deflector array sticks out of the defiant.
like I said, its not directly a kit bash, but closer than say the excelsior to say the akira lol.. (its also a cool bit of info to know, and try, I printed oth of them on tracing paper, and it actually is true. while not exact, the similarities are exactly as they said.
the Miranda is most certainly not a scratch build.. you can look up and see what parts they recycled, which is a lot.. sure, they thickend and added the squarish backside to the saucer, but.. the engines, the top and bottom half of the forward saucer section, the torpedo pod. the bridge, even the impulse engines are identicle.. and a lot of the kibble is too.
I could make your argument about the niagra. only the star drive section and engines are used off of something else.. every single other piece is not found on any other ship..
the Olympic, is most definatly an offshoot of the dadealus. its not just the round saucer section.. its the fact that the whole ship shares a very similier (almost exact) outline. all they did was change the shape of the star drive section. other than that, its very much an offshoot of it.. sure, its not a kit bash (and I said it was a bad example) but its design came directly from the dadeadlus. kind of like the nx and the akira. the ambassador is a cross between escelsior and galaxy looks.
to each his own. im not bitchy or trying to call you out, just going with what I know.. generating discussion, I don't want you take my intentions the wrong way :-)
ther was an interview (im searching for it now) that the designers of the defient stated that originally it was a modified version of what is now the nova class.. and that when the ship was rejected as the defient, they went back to the nova, and took parts of it, and drew up the defient.. in that interview, they say they traced the basic outline of the ship, and made a few modification, but that if you take the current outline of both ships, (looking down on them from the top view, that they share a very similier outline (silouet), and a lot of the same design features, sich as the bridge, even the notch in the front of the saucer where the deflector array sticks out of the defiant.
like I said, its not directly a kit bash, but closer than say the excelsior to say the akira lol.. (its also a cool bit of info to know, and try, I printed oth of them on tracing paper, and it actually is true. while not exact, the similarities are exactly as they said.
I see where you are coming from, I just can't see it, I have a copy of schematics for both ships and cannot trace any similarities between them at all beyond a notch in both hulls.
the Miranda is most certainly not a scratch build.. you can look up and see what parts they recycled, which is a lot.. sure, they thickend and added the squarish backside to the saucer, but.. the engines, the top and bottom half of the forward saucer section, the torpedo pod. the bridge, even the impulse engines are identicle.. and a lot of the kibble is too.
Even the nacelles on the Miranda are new, they resemble the Constitution ones yes, but have different bussard collectors. The wiki is unclear but suggest that it was all built from scratch rather than using Constitution parts, as they would be filmed together.
I could make your argument about the niagra. only the star drive section and engines are used off of something else.. every single other piece is not found on any other ship..
I think the Niagra saucer (it's the same as the Freedom I think) is two halves of another ships saucer glued together, similar to the Constellation and Centaur.
the Olympic, is most definatly an offshoot of the dadealus. its not just the round saucer section.. its the fact that the whole ship shares a very similier (almost exact) outline. all they did was change the shape of the star drive section. other than that, its very much an offshoot of it.. sure, its not a kit bash (and I said it was a bad example) but its design came directly from the dadeadlus. kind of like the nx and the akira. the ambassador is a cross between escelsior and galaxy looks.
The
Daedalus couldn't be more different to the
Olympic. Literally nothing is the same, angle of the pylons, where the neck attaches to the sphere, the angel of the nacelles, the shape of the secondary hull etc.
to each his own. im not bitchy or trying to call you out, just going with what I know.. generating discussion, I don't want you take my intentions the wrong way :-)
Not at all, I like nerdy discussions on the design evolution of Starfleet ships .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Even the nacelles on the Miranda are new, they resemble the Constitution ones yes, but have different bussard collectors. The wiki is unclear but suggest that it was all built from scratch rather than using Constitution parts, as they would be filmed together.
Actually, a few years back I read & later confirmed through a television show (Hollywood Treasures I believe, but am no longer certain) that the Miranda was in fact originally going to be another Constitution class starship. However, the brains behind Star Trek didn't want the enemy ship to resemble the hero ship (Enterprise) so they simply took the Constitution nacelles and saucer and made the Miranda as you saw it in the films. Thus, arguably it is a kit bash in and of itself, albeit a good looking one at that.
Looking at the OP's proposed ship's I have to say they would be welcomed additions. The Niagra in particular is very 'connie-ish' looking to me and would be a nice alternative than newer looking designs.
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I see where you are coming from, I just can't see it, I have a copy of schematics for both ships and cannot trace any similarities between them at all beyond a notch in both hulls.
it's from the DS9 Technical Manual.
It was modified into the Nova class later when the producers needed a new type of ship for the Equinox they went back to this drawing, changed the details and turned it into a science ship.
[info: the DS9TM was released in 1998, the episode in 1999]
*EDIT: BWT, this would be an interesting seperate ship, the Defiant that never was *
Even the nacelles on the Miranda are new, they resemble the Constitution ones yes, but have different bussard collectors. The wiki is unclear but suggest that it was all built from scratch rather than using Constitution parts, as they would be filmed together.
They're actually identical to the ones from the Connie refit except they're a tiny bit shorter.
But it's only appearent when you have, for example, the AMT models and hold the ships next to each other. But aside from the length there's no difference betwen them.
the new Orleans is also a destroyed kit bash.. and these are two ships that have gotten a lot of love over the years from trek fans..
Most Trek fans I know and even on my FB account prefer the 23 Century ships except for escort and science.This includes destroyers,medium cruisers and heavy.That goes for battle cruisers as well.
They both share roots in Matt Jefferies' original (spherical saucer) concepts for the original Enterprise, but beyond that they have nothing in common.
Actually, a few years back I read & later confirmed through a television show (Hollywood Treasures I believe, but am no longer certain) that the Miranda was in fact originally going to be another Constitution class starship. However, the brains behind Star Trek didn't want the enemy ship to resemble the hero ship (Enterprise)....
..so they simply took the Constitution nacelles and saucer and made the Miranda as you saw it in the films. Thus, arguably it is a kit bash in and of itself, albeit a good looking one at that.
Up until this.
It was designed to be contemporary with the refit Enterprise (much like the Galaxy/Nebula), but it's not a kitbash.
Apologies if I came off as angry, I'm a bit of a technophile.
As is the New Orleans and Niagara-classes... I would not be opposed to either of those.
According to fanon, the New Orleans-class is a torpedo frigate, so it could have some c-store torpedo spread console... sort of like the HEC.
I'd like more non-hero ships - less Galaxy-types and more Miranda-types.. less glamor and heroes and more rugged everyday ships. ... and ones that are not as ugly as the Heavy Cruiser. And possibly a fast cruiser? Escort-type with cruiser commands and an engineering focus instead of tac.
I personally am a HUGE fan of the New Orleans class (for some reason i consider it one of the coolest looking federation designs).
Being a fan of it, of course I hope for it to one day be in STO as a playable ship.
Anyways, though it most likely won't be used, this is how i personally would like to see the ship:
Now the New Orleans class, imo, isn't really a cruiser or an escort. Personally i would like to see it (and more new ships) with the type of "frigate". Tougher then an escort, faster then a cruiser. Really just in between.
Weapon:
Dual Photon Torpedo Launcher.
Basically a normal Photon Torpedo launcher, except with slightly less damage per shot then a Photon Torpedo, but it fires two separate torpedoes per fire.. (then think of this with high yield or spread)
Can only be equipped on a Tactical Assault Frigate.
idk, it seems balanced rather balanced to me (though probably a bit better of a beam boat then some of the cruisers, due to the commander tac boff).
i would compare it to the likes of the Heavy escort Carrier, and the Chimera (the most.. cruiser like of all the escorts). though tougher then the HEC and the Chimera, and a good choice for a beam boat, it still is a bit lacking in comparison. It doesn't have as much tactical "potential" as either of them, doesn't have cannons, doesn't have a hanger like the HEC, isn't as flexible as the Chimera, isn't as maneuverable as either.
I see, I was compering the original Defiant, but I do love the Pathfinder Class. Hmm maybe a Nova, Pathfinder, Rhode Island three pack (Sci, Tac, Eng).
They're actually identical to the ones from the Connie refit except they're a tiny bit shorter.
But it's only appearent when you have, for example, the AMT models and hold the ships next to each other. But aside from the length there's no difference betwen them.
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I must have been thinking of the STO versions .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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I see, I was compering the original Defiant, but I do love the Pathfinder Class. Hmm maybe a Nova, Pathfinder, Rhode Island three pack (Sci, Tac, Eng).
Well he phrased it in such a way that without imedeatelly catching what he meant you get kinda lost. My first thought was "Defiant Pathfinder" then I read again but wasn't sure any more.
But it's the only thing that makes sense. I rememberd this bit:
In a documentary included in the DVD release of Star Trek: Voyager's fifth season, Rick Sternbach revealed how the Equinox was designed: "I was searching through piles of drawings for little ships just to get some inspiration and I came across a sketch that I had done for the Deep Space Nine Tech Manual of the original design for the USS Defiant before... [it] was given all of its armor and upgraded weapons, what we call the Pathfinder vehicle... and I thought, 'Well, we haven't seen this one yet, so maybe this design could turn into the Equinox and the drawing was approved and we fleshed out the Equinox for the two-parter."
Anyway assuming they do make a pack it's gonna be a bit different from the other given the Defiant Pathfinder version would probably end up with a Commander Tac...it's pretty much the only thing that would make sense given what this ship was supposed to be.;)
NO! Norway first, the Niagra, New Orleans, Springfield, Freedom etc. are ancient, whereas the Norway is a contemporary of the Prometheus and Defiant .
When Starfleet engaged the Borg at Wolf 359, those vessels were among the Federation's most modern. Their registries and design points to them being contemporaries of the Galaxy class, Nebula class, and Ambassador refits.
Which means, even with Starfleet's post-Wolf 359 starship programs, those classes were far from "ancient". In fact, they were still fairly modern designs.
When Starfleet engaged the Borg at Wolf 359, those vessels were among the Federation's most modern. Their registries and design points to them being contemporaries of the Galaxy class, Nebula class, and Ambassador refits.
Which means, even with Starfleet's post-Wolf 359 starship programs, those classes were far from "ancient". In fact, they were still fairly modern designs.
Ancient is a hyperbole here. I meant they are from the previous generation of ships.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I'd like more non-hero ships - less Galaxy-types and more Miranda-types.. less glamor and heroes and more rugged everyday ships. ... and ones that are not as ugly as the Heavy Cruiser. And possibly a fast cruiser? ...
Yeah, that's more or less my position too. Most of the ships in STO are either too flashy, or too glamorous for my tastes.
In a weird sort of way, my problem with the ships in STO is the same one I have with the ranks; they're just too much. I know MMOs generally have us all simultaneously working towards becoming God-Emperor of the Universe (with progressively stupider and stupider looking outfits); but some of us just wanted to be fairly run of the mill Starfleet Captains.
The most famous captain in Star Trek history advised not getting promoted past Captain, so why the heck is the game making everyone do it? Didn't anyone at Cryptic watch 'Generations'?
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was that actually said on screen? or is this also beta references?
yes, look at the enterprise now, that just got decommissioned. they thought long and hard over weather they were going to decommission her, or refit her. (I think they made the wrong choice as now 1 of our 2 Nimitz sized dry docks will be useless while they decommission her.
I was also sad to see the ship I served on decommissioned this year :-( but they are coming out with another design, so out with the ticonderogas and in with the new I guess.
I think it would be a shame if cryptic ignored putting these canon vessels (even as skins) in the game. if this was not a star trek game, and it only used a few star trek skins, it would be one thing. but this is supposed to be the most comprehensive star trek game ever made..
all of the ships we discussed (even with brief glimpses on screen) made it into most other games, maybe not at the launch of the game, but eventually through some patches and what not, they all got in there. even if fan made, it shows that people wanted them.
to be honest, the constellation that is being released is even older than the ambassador lol.. I don't want to hear arguments about age anymore. they are totally invalid at this juncture lol...
As I said above the registry system in ST is massively inconsistent so I based it on the design of the ship itself. All TNG era ships (contemporaries of the Galaxy) have the same nacelles, Olympic, Freedom, New Orleans, Springfield, Nebula (all 6 versions), Ambassador (all 3), and Niagara. The Norway has the Steamrunners split hull, the Nova / Intrepid style deflector, the Akira's nacelles, and the lack off an engineering hull like the Steamrunner, Akira, Defiant, and Sabre.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Yes, I believe it comes from "Ships of the Line" book and calendar series. CBS/Paramount has offically designated them as canon sources.
And you are correct about the Constillation. Heck, the Cheyenne was a low resolution BoBW kitbash! The New Orleans was more detailed and more visible that the Cheyenne. Yet the Cheyenne made it to initial release, yet the New Orleans did not.
And for when it comes out, I would like to see it use ALL 5 of the Galaxy skins. Here are my prposals:
New Orleans- Default Galaxy
Kyushu- Venture
Thomas Paine- Envoy
Rutledge- Celestial
Renegade- Monarch
I'd prefer a Wambundu class. It's a ship I've wanted forever and ever.
But I'm still a-OK with all the others mentioned making it in too.
Dunno if it really works as an Ambassador skin. I mean, the only real connection the two classes have is that they seem to use the same engineering hull design (which makes it less useful as a skin, as it would have less new stuff to bring to the configuration); otherwise they are pretty different.
I'd rather see it as an all new configuration with alternate skins of its own; new Niagara style components is really the only way to really compensate for the crudeness of the original kitbashing.
soon (tm)
well i would have to say no to the whole making the new Orleans apart of the galaxy line. as it is a much smaller ship. I have my own thoughts on what it should be, but that is kind of counter productive to the thread. **** ok before i posted, i re read what you typed about your galaxy skin idea, i mis interpreted it, you want it to have the ability to have those looks as well?. i left what i originally wrote cause i still believe it should be a separate class...
as far as those being "canon" sources, even "if" cbs called those canon sources. the definition of canon in reguards to how we are using it is on screen only.. anything else is considered "soft" canon. like the ds9 manual and what not.
now im not a stickler for only on screen. when something like the encyclopedia comes out, i generally will take what is in there as fact. im just letting you know that cbs giving a stamp of approval, and canon, are two different things.. lol..
yes, im actually not a big fan of the constellation class. never have been, not really sure why, it just never made me jump up and say oooh.. lol..
yeah im all for everything getting into game.. Christ, if they felt the need to make the Aventine there from the books into the game, there is no reason each ship present on screen shouldn't be in the game..
i hear ya, but at the same time, being able to put galaxy style necelles on an ambassador would be cool, and having the different saucer and neck..
the star drive section actually isn't the same.. if you look at them, the flat section on the back end of the stardrive, where the pylons hook up, is missin on the niagra. to be perfectly honest, out of all of the kit bashed ships in that scene, this one has the most customizeation. the only thing it shares is the front part of the stardrive (ambassador) and the galaxy engines.. otherwise, the neck, the saucer, the pylons, and even the back half of the stardrive are all different.
i commissioned a model builder to build it for me, thinking it would be easy and cheap. it was neither. as he had to custom build almost everything, and only used half of the stardrive section from the ambassador kit we used.. lol... i got pleanty of spare ambassador parts lol.. (the necelles i ordered seperatly, but he even had shorten those to make the dimensions right.. )
i see a lot of cool customizeation options with that added to the ambassador. lower saucer with the necelles fully above the sauver. third nacelle. (but i wouldn't say no to a completely new ship either lol)...
lol.. yeah, that could easily be an alternative skin to the new Orleans.. what episode was that in, im wracking my brain trying to figure it out.. the wambundu is the one where the stardrive is shoved half way up the buttom half of the saucer, right? the the high warp engines in the back?
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The Wambundu was in no episodes, it's a name invented for the encyclopaedia to give a class to the USS Fleming and USS Drake.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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lol, yeah that is why I was wracking my brain lol.. there are so many classes out there, its hard to keep track.. I mean there is more than jus the ships mentioned in here.. there is that god awefull medusa class (though not its canon name). the four necelled escelsior. the god awefull yeager. and so on and so forth..
the tng kit bashers were much better than the ds9 kit bashers lol.. to be honest, the only kit bash I like out of ds9 was the centaur and the excelsior refit.
awesome.. now break into the coding of cryptic (shouldn't be too hard given their track record with break ins lol) and make it work in sto please.. I would mail you lots of money.. hahahaha..
I know its weird, but the niagra class "is" my favorite ship in star trek.. I don't know why, ive always just liked it..
it looks awesome in star trek odyssey fighting next to the excelsior as well.
but very nice looking model man.. thumbs up for you..
Excelsior Refit? That's the Ent B isn't it?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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yeah, I couldn't remember what came first, the ent. b in generations,, or the Lakota in ds9.. (holds out wrists to be slapped).. now that I think about it, I think the ent. b..
New Orleans was also a kitbash.
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infact, every ship in canon, minus the constitution, the excelsior, the galaxy, the ambassador, the oberth, akira, sabr, Norway, intrepid, Prometheus, nova, and defient, were all kit bashes.
kit bashed ships..
miranda, constellation, nebula, new Orleans, arguably niagra, medusa, yeager, also arguably the Olympic class (as based off the dadealus class, but I cant remember if there was ever a canon view of a dadealus), springfield, centaur, suyez, freedom, chyanne, challenger, and curry class. im sure im missing a few..
even the defient is derived from the nova class. in an interview, they say if you trace the out line of the defient, it matches almost perfectly to the most of the outline of the nova 9seeing as though the nova was one of the concepts for the defient.. lol.. everything comes from something.. hahaha..
The Miranda is a scratch built model, not a Constitution kitbash, however the Antares, Soyuz, and two minor variants were made from the Miranda.
The Olympic is nothing like the Daedalus at all, that's like saying the Constitution is the same as the Galaxy just because they have round saucers. The Daedalus existed as a desk model in Sisko's office.
The Nova / Defiant is the Pathfinder Class, the shows Defiant has no trace of Nova in it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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ther was an interview (im searching for it now) that the designers of the defient stated that originally it was a modified version of what is now the nova class.. and that when the ship was rejected as the defient, they went back to the nova, and took parts of it, and drew up the defient.. in that interview, they say they traced the basic outline of the ship, and made a few modification, but that if you take the current outline of both ships, (looking down on them from the top view, that they share a very similier outline (silouet), and a lot of the same design features, sich as the bridge, even the notch in the front of the saucer where the deflector array sticks out of the defiant.
like I said, its not directly a kit bash, but closer than say the excelsior to say the akira lol.. (its also a cool bit of info to know, and try, I printed oth of them on tracing paper, and it actually is true. while not exact, the similarities are exactly as they said.
the Miranda is most certainly not a scratch build.. you can look up and see what parts they recycled, which is a lot.. sure, they thickend and added the squarish backside to the saucer, but.. the engines, the top and bottom half of the forward saucer section, the torpedo pod. the bridge, even the impulse engines are identicle.. and a lot of the kibble is too.
I could make your argument about the niagra. only the star drive section and engines are used off of something else.. every single other piece is not found on any other ship..
the Olympic, is most definatly an offshoot of the dadealus. its not just the round saucer section.. its the fact that the whole ship shares a very similier (almost exact) outline. all they did was change the shape of the star drive section. other than that, its very much an offshoot of it.. sure, its not a kit bash (and I said it was a bad example) but its design came directly from the dadeadlus. kind of like the nx and the akira. the ambassador is a cross between escelsior and galaxy looks.
to each his own. im not bitchy or trying to call you out, just going with what I know.. generating discussion, I don't want you take my intentions the wrong way :-)
I see where you are coming from, I just can't see it, I have a copy of schematics for both ships and cannot trace any similarities between them at all beyond a notch in both hulls.
Even the nacelles on the Miranda are new, they resemble the Constitution ones yes, but have different bussard collectors. The wiki is unclear but suggest that it was all built from scratch rather than using Constitution parts, as they would be filmed together.
I think the Niagra saucer (it's the same as the Freedom I think) is two halves of another ships saucer glued together, similar to the Constellation and Centaur.
The
Daedalus couldn't be more different to the
Olympic. Literally nothing is the same, angle of the pylons, where the neck attaches to the sphere, the angel of the nacelles, the shape of the secondary hull etc.
Not at all, I like nerdy discussions on the design evolution of Starfleet ships
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Actually, a few years back I read & later confirmed through a television show (Hollywood Treasures I believe, but am no longer certain) that the Miranda was in fact originally going to be another Constitution class starship. However, the brains behind Star Trek didn't want the enemy ship to resemble the hero ship (Enterprise) so they simply took the Constitution nacelles and saucer and made the Miranda as you saw it in the films. Thus, arguably it is a kit bash in and of itself, albeit a good looking one at that.
Looking at the OP's proposed ship's I have to say they would be welcomed additions. The Niagra in particular is very 'connie-ish' looking to me and would be a nice alternative than newer looking designs.
He means this:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Defiant_pathfinder
it's from the DS9 Technical Manual.
It was modified into the Nova class later when the producers needed a new type of ship for the Equinox they went back to this drawing, changed the details and turned it into a science ship.
[info: the DS9TM was released in 1998, the episode in 1999]
*EDIT: BWT, this would be an interesting seperate ship, the Defiant that never was
They're actually identical to the ones from the Connie refit except they're a tiny bit shorter.
But it's only appearent when you have, for example, the AMT models and hold the ships next to each other. But aside from the length there's no difference betwen them.
Most Trek fans I know and even on my FB account prefer the 23 Century ships except for escort and science.This includes destroyers,medium cruisers and heavy.That goes for battle cruisers as well.
Ships like thisAkula
This certianly say more than what Elise Floras says about the shipMiranda
Now this is a beauty pic TOS
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They both share roots in Matt Jefferies' original (spherical saucer) concepts for the original Enterprise, but beyond that they have nothing in common.
This is correct...
Up until this.
It was designed to be contemporary with the refit Enterprise (much like the Galaxy/Nebula), but it's not a kitbash.
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Apologies if I came off as angry, I'm a bit of a technophile.
As is the New Orleans and Niagara-classes... I would not be opposed to either of those.
According to fanon, the New Orleans-class is a torpedo frigate, so it could have some c-store torpedo spread console... sort of like the HEC.
I'd like more non-hero ships - less Galaxy-types and more Miranda-types.. less glamor and heroes and more rugged everyday ships. ... and ones that are not as ugly as the Heavy Cruiser. And possibly a fast cruiser? Escort-type with cruiser commands and an engineering focus instead of tac.
Being a fan of it, of course I hope for it to one day be in STO as a playable ship.
Anyways, though it most likely won't be used, this is how i personally would like to see the ship:
Now the New Orleans class, imo, isn't really a cruiser or an escort. Personally i would like to see it (and more new ships) with the type of "frigate". Tougher then an escort, faster then a cruiser. Really just in between.
Tactical Assault Frigate
Boff: Commander, Ensign, Lt. Commander, lieutenant, Lieutenant.
Hull: 35,000
Shield Mod: 0.95
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Cannot Equip Cannons
Crew: 550
Device Slots: 4
Consoles:
4
4
1
Turn Rate: 11
Inertia: 30
Impulse Mod: 0.20
Bonus Power:
+10 Weapons
+5 Shields
-5 Auxiliary
Weapon:
Dual Photon Torpedo Launcher.
Basically a normal Photon Torpedo launcher, except with slightly less damage per shot then a Photon Torpedo, but it fires two separate torpedoes per fire.. (then think of this with high yield or spread)
Can only be equipped on a Tactical Assault Frigate.
idk, it seems balanced rather balanced to me (though probably a bit better of a beam boat then some of the cruisers, due to the commander tac boff).
i would compare it to the likes of the Heavy escort Carrier, and the Chimera (the most.. cruiser like of all the escorts). though tougher then the HEC and the Chimera, and a good choice for a beam boat, it still is a bit lacking in comparison. It doesn't have as much tactical "potential" as either of them, doesn't have cannons, doesn't have a hanger like the HEC, isn't as flexible as the Chimera, isn't as maneuverable as either.
I see, I was compering the original Defiant, but I do love the Pathfinder Class. Hmm maybe a Nova, Pathfinder, Rhode Island three pack (Sci, Tac, Eng).
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I must have been thinking of the STO versions
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Well he phrased it in such a way that without imedeatelly catching what he meant you get kinda lost. My first thought was "Defiant Pathfinder" then I read again but wasn't sure any more.
But it's the only thing that makes sense. I rememberd this bit:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Equinox
Anyway assuming they do make a pack it's gonna be a bit different from the other given the Defiant Pathfinder version would probably end up with a Commander Tac...it's pretty much the only thing that would make sense given what this ship was supposed to be.;)
Really? I actually didn't notice they were different in STO.
But then I wasn't really that observant when I flew my starter ships.
When Starfleet engaged the Borg at Wolf 359, those vessels were among the Federation's most modern. Their registries and design points to them being contemporaries of the Galaxy class, Nebula class, and Ambassador refits.
Which means, even with Starfleet's post-Wolf 359 starship programs, those classes were far from "ancient". In fact, they were still fairly modern designs.
Ancient is a hyperbole here. I meant they are from the previous generation of ships.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Yeah, that's more or less my position too. Most of the ships in STO are either too flashy, or too glamorous for my tastes.
In a weird sort of way, my problem with the ships in STO is the same one I have with the ranks; they're just too much. I know MMOs generally have us all simultaneously working towards becoming God-Emperor of the Universe (with progressively stupider and stupider looking outfits); but some of us just wanted to be fairly run of the mill Starfleet Captains.
The most famous captain in Star Trek history advised not getting promoted past Captain, so why the heck is the game making everyone do it? Didn't anyone at Cryptic watch 'Generations'?
::rant mode off::