I think the Niagra saucer (it's the same as the Freedom I think) is two halves of another ships saucer glued together, similar to the Constellation and Centaur.
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Not at all, I like nerdy discussions on the design evolution of Starfleet ships .
according to all the modelers out there, the niagra has its own saucer, it shares it with no one, which is why it is so friggen expensiv to have one built.. they have to modify the warp engines, something about shortening or leangthening them, I cant remember, the star drive section has to be cut up, and leangthened.
the kneck and impulse is built from scratch, the saucer is built from scratch, and the pylons are built from scratch.. every modeler I approached said the same thing..
it just shares similarities.. lol..
yeah, I like when I have a debate with someone who doesn't think im being a jerk, cause I usually am not.. sometimes I am, but not always lol..
as for the Olympic class, what I was saying, was it looked like someone tried to make a contemporary design of the dadelus. lol.. not that it was a kit bash, but strikes a very smashing resembelence. I remember when that episode first aired, a lot of people made the connection saying it was a ship that was based off the daedelous or however you spell the friggen thing lol.. round saucer, pylons coming out of the kneck. the only difference, is everything that was round, is now square or rectangular lol... and the kneck is a little different.. you cant say they don't share any similarities. lol..
Ancient is a hyperbole here. I meant they are from the previous generation of ships.
yes, but Starfleet doesn't design ships to throw away 10 years later.. it was said they threw huge recources at the galaxy (making it so big at the cost of recources and time) to try and make a ship they could use for a longer service life.
if by the games standards, the excelsior can still be a major factor in this time line. it would mean that the niagra, new Orleans, and galaxy would still be well within their prime in the games timeline..
not to mention, I agree with what dan stahl once said.. this is a star trek game.. everyone has their own likes and dislikes, but that he wanted every canon ship from tng up in the game at some point.. and even though he is gone, that is something that should happen. I mean, this game is about star trek right.. so it would only make sense that ships seen in star trek should be in the game..
and if we are gonna get the constellation piece of junk, I hope wed get some of these other ships..
When Starfleet engaged the Borg at Wolf 359, those vessels were among the Federation's most modern. Their registries and design points to them being contemporaries of the Galaxy class, Nebula class, and Ambassador refits.
Which means, even with Starfleet's post-Wolf 359 starship programs, those classes were far from "ancient". In fact, they were still fairly modern designs.
And yet players want a T5 Connie. :rolleyes:
If the Galaxy is still in use, as is the Cheyenne, then there is no reason NOT to have all of the BoBW kit bashes added. While I don't like the Freedom or Buran/Challenger class, I would not begrudge other players.
Again, I point to the B-52 still being flown despite the fact that no new ones have been built in decades.
according to all the modelers out there, the niagra has its own saucer, it shares it with no one, which is why it is so friggen expensiv to have one built.. they have to modify the warp engines, something about shortening or leangthening them, I cant remember, the star drive section has to be cut up, and lengthened.
the kneck and impulse is built from scratch, the saucer is built from scratch, and the pylons are built from scratch.. every modeler I approached said the same thing..
it just shares similarities.. lol..
After a bit of research I do see it appears to be a new saucer and pylons.
as for the Olympic class, what I was saying, was it looked like someone tried to make a contemporary design of the dadelus. lol.. not that it was a kit bash, but strikes a very smashing resembelence. I remember when that episode first aired, a lot of people made the connection saying it was a ship that was based off the daedelous or however you spell the friggen thing lol.. round saucer, pylons coming out of the kneck. the only difference, is everything that was round, is now square or rectangular lol... and the kneck is a little different.. you cant say they don't share any similarities. lol..
The Daedalus really resembles the Constitution in shape, straight pylons, round engineering, circular deflector, with a different saucer. To me the Olympic resembles the Daedalus in the same way the Galaxy resembles the Constitution.
I still want that Norway .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The bad thing about STO..........Fed ships is every one they have added to the game are terrible looking compared to the classic designs
STO gives there creations superior stats but degrade the look of classic starfleet ships while gimping every single classix looking starfleet ship
This Gal-x reboot is a prime example of there bia's and lousey ship art
The Fans of star trek armade were given the tools to create starships for the game and made 100s of great looking models
STO could do the same thing and there would be many better choices for us to use in game
The STO model makers should be managers of Fan created ships putting polish on the best and not makeing models from scratch
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
We've got some suggestions about how the New Orleans might work in here; but what about the Niagara?
Soft canon calls it a 'Fast Cruiser'; now I normally wouldn't care about that, but I can't think of a better reason for it to have a third nacelle. We can tell by the Gal-X that a third nacelle might be considered an upgrade over the standard two (though one not used often for whatever reason), and the most obvious reason for upgrading a ship's warp drive would be to make it faster; so 'Fast Cruiser' isn't an unreasonable guess at the role of the Niagara class.
It's easy to imagine Starfleet having made it as a first responder in crisis situations. Big enough to handle emergency evacuations, or ship enough medical supplies to deal with an epidemic, and powerful enough to fend off attacks until reinforcements can arrive. I don't see them really being designed for exploration; though they might still need scientific facilities to help them assess the nature and scope of whatever problem they are responding to.
That would be my take on it anyway.
Can't think how something like that might work in STO though.
You can tell just by looking that it's almost certainly a cruiser. A ship like that would probably have a lot of auxiliary craft, but I just can't picture it as a carrier. It'd probably have a lot of transporters too; maybe a bonus to team abilities? A bonus to warp speeds would make sense, though not be particularly useful in game play terms.
I like that concept of a "Fast Cruiser" and I think it could be worked in. Give it a layout like the Ambassador class, but with a bonus to engine power and turn. Maybe a console that gives a AOE heal or something.
Not sure what the boff layout should be. I'd think it would be more eng and sci with some tac (in both console and boff).
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according to all the modelers out there, the niagra has its own saucer, it shares it with no one, which is why it is so friggen expensiv to have one built.. they have to modify the warp engines, something about shortening or leangthening them, I cant remember, the star drive section has to be cut up, and leangthened.
the kneck and impulse is built from scratch, the saucer is built from scratch, and the pylons are built from scratch.. every modeler I approached said the same thing..
it just shares similarities.. lol..
yeah, I like when I have a debate with someone who doesn't think im being a jerk, cause I usually am not.. sometimes I am, but not always lol..
as for the Olympic class, what I was saying, was it looked like someone tried to make a contemporary design of the dadelus. lol.. not that it was a kit bash, but strikes a very smashing resembelence. I remember when that episode first aired, a lot of people made the connection saying it was a ship that was based off the daedelous or however you spell the friggen thing lol.. round saucer, pylons coming out of the kneck. the only difference, is everything that was round, is now square or rectangular lol... and the kneck is a little different.. you cant say they don't share any similarities. lol..
yes, but Starfleet doesn't design ships to throw away 10 years later.. it was said they threw huge recources at the galaxy (making it so big at the cost of recources and time) to try and make a ship they could use for a longer service life.
if by the games standards, the excelsior can still be a major factor in this time line. it would mean that the niagra, new Orleans, and galaxy would still be well within their prime in the games timeline..
not to mention, I agree with what dan stahl once said.. this is a star trek game.. everyone has their own likes and dislikes, but that he wanted every canon ship from tng up in the game at some point.. and even though he is gone, that is something that should happen. I mean, this game is about star trek right.. so it would only make sense that ships seen in star trek should be in the game..
and if we are gonna get the constellation piece of junk, I hope wed get some of these other ships..
And yet players want a T5 Connie. :rolleyes:
If the Galaxy is still in use, as is the Cheyenne, then there is no reason NOT to have all of the BoBW kit bashes added. While I don't like the Freedom or Buran/Challenger class, I would not begrudge other players.
Again, I point to the B-52 still being flown despite the fact that no new ones have been built in decades.
After a bit of research I do see it appears to be a new saucer and pylons.
I know what you mean.
The Daedalus really resembles the Constitution in shape, straight pylons, round engineering, circular deflector, with a different saucer. To me the Olympic resembles the Daedalus in the same way the Galaxy resembles the Constitution.
I still want that Norway
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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STO gives there creations superior stats but degrade the look of classic starfleet ships while gimping every single classix looking starfleet ship
This Gal-x reboot is a prime example of there bia's and lousey ship art
The Fans of star trek armade were given the tools to create starships for the game and made 100s of great looking models
STO could do the same thing and there would be many better choices for us to use in game
The STO model makers should be managers of Fan created ships putting polish on the best and not makeing models from scratch
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Soft canon calls it a 'Fast Cruiser'; now I normally wouldn't care about that, but I can't think of a better reason for it to have a third nacelle. We can tell by the Gal-X that a third nacelle might be considered an upgrade over the standard two (though one not used often for whatever reason), and the most obvious reason for upgrading a ship's warp drive would be to make it faster; so 'Fast Cruiser' isn't an unreasonable guess at the role of the Niagara class.
It's easy to imagine Starfleet having made it as a first responder in crisis situations. Big enough to handle emergency evacuations, or ship enough medical supplies to deal with an epidemic, and powerful enough to fend off attacks until reinforcements can arrive. I don't see them really being designed for exploration; though they might still need scientific facilities to help them assess the nature and scope of whatever problem they are responding to.
That would be my take on it anyway.
Can't think how something like that might work in STO though.
You can tell just by looking that it's almost certainly a cruiser. A ship like that would probably have a lot of auxiliary craft, but I just can't picture it as a carrier. It'd probably have a lot of transporters too; maybe a bonus to team abilities? A bonus to warp speeds would make sense, though not be particularly useful in game play terms.
Not sure what the boff layout should be. I'd think it would be more eng and sci with some tac (in both console and boff).