Isn't the Plasmonic Leech console basically a better version of the Valdore console anyway? And if so do you *really* need to run *both*?
Disclaimer: Casual player, no PvP ever ever EVER no I really mean it! I don't use either console, tho I'm considering trying the Leech KDF-side just to see what the fuss is all about...
They are quite different.
Plasmonic leech, when you fire energy weapons at a target, drains the enemy's power, and improves your power levels. (Improved by Flow Caps)
The Valdore console heals shields based off of the damage you do when you fire your energy weapons, but does not drain any shields from your enemy.
Basically with the two together, you can gain a significant amount of energy across the board, and keep your shields healed quite well, all by just firing your energy weapons at a target.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Show some respect, the Romulans lost their HOMEWORLD while KDF and Federation captains still get theirs (unless they're from Vega). I think anyone would gladly give up a couple consoles for their home planet to still be intact.
Isn't the Plasmonic Leech console basically a better version of the Valdore console anyway? And if so do you *really* need to run *both*?
Disclaimer: Casual player, no PvP ever ever EVER no I really mean it! I don't use either console, tho I'm considering trying the Leech KDF-side just to see what the fuss is all about...
Plasmonic Leech is a game changer m8, it really is. Especially when you run it on a dual Aux to Batt setup. Combined with the Valdore console it can give even a Romulan escort a Fed Cruiser'esque tank. My bud who's using it just got a 40k+ proc from it literally 10 minutes ago and you can get higher than that I'm sure. His shields are ridiculously good now and he doesn't even have all his rep perks yet either.
Essentially: Romulan ship + Dual AtB + Plasmonic Leech + Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator = Well and truly broken.
The console on it's own is bad enough, but in that combo on a Rom ship, I can't even describe how stupidly OP it is.
It's laughable how many Roms say "It's balanced" or "Then roll a Romulan", but then what's the point in STO being called STO? They might as well call it "Romulans online".
Last time I checked it was called Startrek Online,but not FederationOnline.
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It's laughable how many Roms say "It's balanced" or "Then roll a Romulan", but then what's the point in STO being called STO? They might as well call it "Romulans online".
Last time I checked it was called Startrek Online,but not FederationOnline.
I assume you're one of the folks who thinks the current FOTM combo is balanced then?
It has absolutely nothing to do with being a Fed or a Forehead. It has everything to do with game balance and one faction having sole access to a console this powerful is idiotic.
Balance between factions would matter more if STO was a PvP based game.
Romulans are not their own independent faction like the Fed or KDF so the whole argument is moot. The Federation and Klingons both have Romulans in their ranks so wheres the problem? If you want to have access to Romulan consoles and ships play as a Romulan.
Balance is inherently elusive, if not impossible, in f2play games where monetary investment to support the game has to be somehow incentivized.
Also, I wish MACO and PL and SAFG weren't mutually exclusive. The tinfoil hats about every build possibility that's not an alpha decloak need to come off already. We need more diversity, we need more viability.
once upon a time in a elite cc ... my tac toon with its avenger and besides of me another tac with a scimitar fired both the artefact ... i had to move all the time for the defense bonus ... my shields were down very often because of the huge damage the alien did ... i could only hold the ship in one piece with permanently using of shield and hullhealing buffs ... and the scimitar stood still all the time near the alien and fired with calm ... had always a full shield because this unfair console called "The Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator" renewed his shield to 100% in steps of 3 to 5 seconds ... not to describe ...
i dont want to mention all the other op romulan stuff ... that's not fair cryptic! ... such an huge amount of advantages for only one of three meanful factions is just a joke ... just a joke cryptic!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ... IST MIR ZU SCHWER ... UND ICH WILL NICHT
Don't want to give the valdore console to the feds? Fine. Give the Feds a console as overpowered as the plasmonic leech or valdore console so stupidly strong, it tilts the mechanics of the entire game. Then make it so neither romulans nor kdf have access to it. Done.
Balance between factions would matter more if STO was a PvP based game.
Romulans are not their own independent faction like the Fed or KDF so the whole argument is moot. The Federation and Klingons both have Romulans in their ranks so wheres the problem? If you want to have access to Romulan consoles and ships play as a Romulan.
Well considering Cryptic are in the process of completely overhauling the PvP system in order to essentially make it competitive and worthwhile, it is far from being a moot point.
Also Romulans are still an independent faction regardless of how you try to cut it. They have access to ships, consoles and Boffs that the other two factions don't so they still retain a certain element of independence.
This is also the kind of response I've come to expect from crutch users. People like yourself know full well that the Rommies have an increasing number of advantages over other factions (Especially Fed) and don't want an even playing field so you can continue to enjoy your current monopoly.
The Valdore console is overpowered, anyone who says otherwise is simply idiotic. It either needs nerfing, removing (best option) or being made available to all. It really is as simple as that.
The genuinely funny thing is, even if this console was made available to Fed & klink, it still wouldn't be as effective for those factions due to crit chance. Due to the higher potential crit chance of Rommies, they crit more often and harder, so the 200% shield proc has a higher chance of being larger for Romulans. So it still wouldn't be 100% balanced even if it was freely available.
Plasmonic Leech is a game changer m8, it really is. Especially when you run it on a dual Aux to Batt setup. Combined with the Valdore console it can give even a Romulan escort a Fed Cruiser'esque tank. My bud who's using it just got a 40k+ proc from it literally 10 minutes ago and you can get higher than that I'm sure. His shields are ridiculously good now and he doesn't even have all his rep perks yet either.
Essentially: Romulan ship + Dual AtB + Plasmonic Leech + Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator = Well and truly broken.
The console on it's own is bad enough, but in that combo on a Rom ship, I can't even describe how stupidly OP it is.
Since I'm the one he mentions, I had no idea how overpowered the romulans could be untill I discovered the superior romulan operative and sat down with my partner in crime here to build a ship that could negate the -40 power lvl's.
Regardless the setup I've got atm is capable of tanking 5 man premade even with their lame subnukes and I dont know if I should share such broken builds....
once upon a time in a elite cc <snip> i dont want to mention all the other op Romulan stuff ... that's not fair cryptic! ... such a huge amount of advantages for only one of three meaningful factions is just a joke ... just a joke cryptic!
I'll refrain from reposting this entire piece of ... literature ... because it makes me slightly ill reading it ...
I have A Fed Engi, who flies an Avenger ... You know what? I can also park in front of a Tac Cube or a Gate, Or a Voth Dread and can handle even a full frontal hit from Donatra, and simply shoot at it ... No need to move, and MY shields also do not drop because I run the Borg Regenerative Shield Space Set and use my skills and abilities to keep power to my shields all the time ... It DOES NOT require the Valdore Console .. It NOT require a Scimitar ... And it does NOT require Romulan Traits ... It does require a little skill and knowledge, which seem to be sadly lacking, to build a ship correctly and to use it correctly (or productively) Instead it seems to be easier to just cry "GIMME DATZ SHINNIEZ" or "OP'Z PWEAZE NERFZ"
All factions have strengths and weaknesses, if you don't realise this by now, I'd suggest you are playing the wrong game ...
The problem is caused by having PvE and PvP in the same game ... It always has and always will, whether anyone agrees or not, this is the root cause of all these "balance" issues, and the root cause behind all the "rant" posts ... Simply put IT NEVER HAS WORKED. IT WILL NEVER WORK!
Regardless the setup I've got atm is capable of tanking 5 man premade even with their lame subnukes and I dont know if I should share such broken builds....
And then one day you run into a competent vaper that crits you for 60k ignoring your shields with damage you can't resist.
All factions have strengths and weaknesses, if you don't realise this by now, I'd suggest you are playing the wrong game ...
The simple point is, The one weakness the Romulan faction is supposed to have can be completely bypassed and negated. All whilst retaining the numerous advantages they have.
-10 to all power levels is not enough of a hindrance, considering how easy that is to get around.
I dont get u guys. One thing is balance, another completely different thing is to make a faction something that it is not. Romulans are far superior, in the game, in the shows, everywhere. You cant make the Romulan faction "balanced" with feds or klingons. Because then, it will not be star trek anymore.
I agree that the romulans should lack in something, but not precisely in the ships firepower, boffs traits and so on, because that is what it means being a romulan. Thats the fact. About ships, i said tons of times, romulan ships could have a really nerfed turning rate, compared with other factions. That will make romulans more balanced in space, for example. And it will not take away necessary any romulan characteristic from the shows. But actually, with all those restricted consoles, boffs buffs and etc, the turning rate of a romulan ship can be even far better than any other faction as well. So , romulans have powered ships, fast ships, and really manouverable ships. That is an example.
In general terms, i dont think the doff system is better than the feds. Because as i said, they are different, and yes, gathering doffs, resources and dilithium is relatevily easy with a romulan-klingon as well, but they dont have diplomacy and they lack in other areas. A lot of dilithium mini missions are far shorter for a federation toon than for a romulan-klingon, because in the very moment it is an opportunity for trade, fed will do it, without the need to fight. Romulan-klingons cant do that and they will be inmersed in a fight almost every time, taking more time to solve most of the missions. Another example.
I mean, there are a lot of points to consider, but people must realize that romulans are more powerful than the feds or the klingons, since the beginnings of times lol. We cant change that, but im pretty sure there are a lot of ways to find a balance between factions without the need to wipe away the romulan feeling.
I'll refrain from reposting this entire piece of ... literature ... because it makes me slightly ill reading it ...
All factions have strengths and weaknesses, if you don't realise this by now, I'd suggest you are playing the wrong game ...
i would say it's not time and place for being arrogant dude ok?
it's a fact you cant deny that all the romulan stuff is op in comparison to fed and kdf stuff.
... as well the romulans can also use the mighty universal consoles like plasmonic leech that make their only weakness, the lower basic power levels, minor.
all the balancing is currently maladjusted in pvp more than pve of course ... but the problem is well known by cryptic and they do almost nothing! to solute this ... the galaxy - x revamp ist just a new example for this ...
... and btw i have to say that my avenger is member of the 30k dps club ... not only for borg stf .... my eng does often much more damage as other tacs ... wanted to say i'm in the right game and i know how to handle my ships efficiently and powerful ... so dont jugde about me if you know nothing
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ... IST MIR ZU SCHWER ... UND ICH WILL NICHT
Don't worry, it will end up in a lockbox eventually, just like plasmonic leech did.
To be honest m8, that isn't really a good solution. If everyone is running them fights will end up taking 10 minutes longer than they already do... unless you're running a (Another broken mechanic) Vape build.
Sooner or later you will have to run vape in order to damage anyone in PvP and even though vape is pretty widespread now, it isn't 100% necessary at this point.
The console should never have made it off tribble, it's such an idiotic inclusion that whoever it was at Cryptic HQ who came up with the idea should be sacked.
I'm surprised people arn't talking about the PvE consequences, especially if you want more events like CE that choose winners based on healing numbers - for which this console is off the charts.
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They are quite different.
Plasmonic leech, when you fire energy weapons at a target, drains the enemy's power, and improves your power levels. (Improved by Flow Caps)
The Valdore console heals shields based off of the damage you do when you fire your energy weapons, but does not drain any shields from your enemy.
Basically with the two together, you can gain a significant amount of energy across the board, and keep your shields healed quite well, all by just firing your energy weapons at a target.
Not in this galaxy.
Plasmonic Leech is a game changer m8, it really is. Especially when you run it on a dual Aux to Batt setup. Combined with the Valdore console it can give even a Romulan escort a Fed Cruiser'esque tank. My bud who's using it just got a 40k+ proc from it literally 10 minutes ago and you can get higher than that I'm sure. His shields are ridiculously good now and he doesn't even have all his rep perks yet either.
Essentially: Romulan ship + Dual AtB + Plasmonic Leech + Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator = Well and truly broken.
The console on it's own is bad enough, but in that combo on a Rom ship, I can't even describe how stupidly OP it is.
Last time I checked it was called Startrek Online,but not FederationOnline.
I assume you're one of the folks who thinks the current FOTM combo is balanced then?
It has absolutely nothing to do with being a Fed or a Forehead. It has everything to do with game balance and one faction having sole access to a console this powerful is idiotic.
Romulans are not their own independent faction like the Fed or KDF so the whole argument is moot. The Federation and Klingons both have Romulans in their ranks so wheres the problem? If you want to have access to Romulan consoles and ships play as a Romulan.
Also, I wish MACO and PL and SAFG weren't mutually exclusive. The tinfoil hats about every build possibility that's not an alpha decloak need to come off already. We need more diversity, we need more viability.
i dont want to mention all the other op romulan stuff ... that's not fair cryptic! ... such an huge amount of advantages for only one of three meanful factions is just a joke ... just a joke cryptic!
Well considering Cryptic are in the process of completely overhauling the PvP system in order to essentially make it competitive and worthwhile, it is far from being a moot point.
Also Romulans are still an independent faction regardless of how you try to cut it. They have access to ships, consoles and Boffs that the other two factions don't so they still retain a certain element of independence.
This is also the kind of response I've come to expect from crutch users. People like yourself know full well that the Rommies have an increasing number of advantages over other factions (Especially Fed) and don't want an even playing field so you can continue to enjoy your current monopoly.
The Valdore console is overpowered, anyone who says otherwise is simply idiotic. It either needs nerfing, removing (best option) or being made available to all. It really is as simple as that.
The genuinely funny thing is, even if this console was made available to Fed & klink, it still wouldn't be as effective for those factions due to crit chance. Due to the higher potential crit chance of Rommies, they crit more often and harder, so the 200% shield proc has a higher chance of being larger for Romulans. So it still wouldn't be 100% balanced even if it was freely available.
That's how unbalanced the console is!
Since I'm the one he mentions, I had no idea how overpowered the romulans could be untill I discovered the superior romulan operative and sat down with my partner in crime here to build a ship that could negate the -40 power lvl's.
Regardless the setup I've got atm is capable of tanking 5 man premade even with their lame subnukes and I dont know if I should share such broken builds....
Korel..
I'll refrain from reposting this entire piece of ... literature ... because it makes me slightly ill reading it ...
I have A Fed Engi, who flies an Avenger ... You know what? I can also park in front of a Tac Cube or a Gate, Or a Voth Dread and can handle even a full frontal hit from Donatra, and simply shoot at it ... No need to move, and MY shields also do not drop because I run the Borg Regenerative Shield Space Set and use my skills and abilities to keep power to my shields all the time ... It DOES NOT require the Valdore Console .. It NOT require a Scimitar ... And it does NOT require Romulan Traits ... It does require a little skill and knowledge, which seem to be sadly lacking, to build a ship correctly and to use it correctly (or productively) Instead it seems to be easier to just cry "GIMME DATZ SHINNIEZ" or "OP'Z PWEAZE NERFZ"
All factions have strengths and weaknesses, if you don't realise this by now, I'd suggest you are playing the wrong game ...
The problem is caused by having PvE and PvP in the same game ... It always has and always will, whether anyone agrees or not, this is the root cause of all these "balance" issues, and the root cause behind all the "rant" posts ... Simply put IT NEVER HAS WORKED. IT WILL NEVER WORK!
And then one day you run into a competent vaper that crits you for 60k ignoring your shields with damage you can't resist.
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The simple point is, The one weakness the Romulan faction is supposed to have can be completely bypassed and negated. All whilst retaining the numerous advantages they have.
-10 to all power levels is not enough of a hindrance, considering how easy that is to get around.
So the solution to one broken build is to run another broken build? Here lays the problem.
I agree that the romulans should lack in something, but not precisely in the ships firepower, boffs traits and so on, because that is what it means being a romulan. Thats the fact. About ships, i said tons of times, romulan ships could have a really nerfed turning rate, compared with other factions. That will make romulans more balanced in space, for example. And it will not take away necessary any romulan characteristic from the shows. But actually, with all those restricted consoles, boffs buffs and etc, the turning rate of a romulan ship can be even far better than any other faction as well. So , romulans have powered ships, fast ships, and really manouverable ships. That is an example.
In general terms, i dont think the doff system is better than the feds. Because as i said, they are different, and yes, gathering doffs, resources and dilithium is relatevily easy with a romulan-klingon as well, but they dont have diplomacy and they lack in other areas. A lot of dilithium mini missions are far shorter for a federation toon than for a romulan-klingon, because in the very moment it is an opportunity for trade, fed will do it, without the need to fight. Romulan-klingons cant do that and they will be inmersed in a fight almost every time, taking more time to solve most of the missions. Another example.
I mean, there are a lot of points to consider, but people must realize that romulans are more powerful than the feds or the klingons, since the beginnings of times lol. We cant change that, but im pretty sure there are a lot of ways to find a balance between factions without the need to wipe away the romulan feeling.
Don't worry, it will end up in a lockbox eventually, just like plasmonic leech did.
i would say it's not time and place for being arrogant dude ok?
it's a fact you cant deny that all the romulan stuff is op in comparison to fed and kdf stuff.
... as well the romulans can also use the mighty universal consoles like plasmonic leech that make their only weakness, the lower basic power levels, minor.
all the balancing is currently maladjusted in pvp more than pve of course ... but the problem is well known by cryptic and they do almost nothing! to solute this ... the galaxy - x revamp ist just a new example for this ...
... and btw i have to say that my avenger is member of the 30k dps club ... not only for borg stf .... my eng does often much more damage as other tacs ... wanted to say i'm in the right game and i know how to handle my ships efficiently and powerful ... so dont jugde about me if you know nothing
To be honest m8, that isn't really a good solution. If everyone is running them fights will end up taking 10 minutes longer than they already do... unless you're running a (Another broken mechanic) Vape build.
Sooner or later you will have to run vape in order to damage anyone in PvP and even though vape is pretty widespread now, it isn't 100% necessary at this point.
The console should never have made it off tribble, it's such an idiotic inclusion that whoever it was at Cryptic HQ who came up with the idea should be sacked.