There are many threads on these forums that address how overpowered the Romulan faction is, and a lot of good suggestions are contained within these threads (once you weed out all the petty bickering) that I hope you guys are reading. I too could also go into a wild rant about needing balance due to the superior operative Boff stacking, superior battle cloaking, overpowered singularity powers OP'ness that is the Romulan faction, but I'd rather be calm and suggest a simple baby step to even the playing field a bit. A part of this OP perception stems from the Valdore's Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator console. I will not go into its mechanics, or rant about it. I think that it is a great console. However it would only be fair to EITHER release an Adapted Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator console to the Fed/KDF factions somehow, OR NOT limit the console to Warbirds only and have them bind to the account rather than to the character. I for one would gladly play a romulan character high enough to PAY you guys $$$$ for the ability to have that console on my other non-Romulan toons.
I dont feel that this change would be too difficult to implement. It could be changed and then just noted in the patch notes. Easy peasy. C'mon Cryptic... this is an easy fix and not code intensive (I think)...
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Why? Why did pwe/cryptic even bother going to the expense and trouble of making a Klingon or Romulan faction? Since everyone seems to want everything either the KDF or the Rommies have which is unique to each of them to be hand delivered on a silver platter to the Spoon-Fed faction anyways?
Tired of watching the Spoon-Feds get a new shiny about every two weeks and still not be satisfied. Not enough they get their own shiny, they all have to have the other factions' shiny as well.
No. The Spoon-Feds already have more shiny than the other two factions and the NPCs combined. I'd like for at least one thing to remain unique to the other two factions. Which I play far more than my Starfleet toons.
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Why? Why did pwe/cryptic even bother going to the expense and trouble of making a Klingon or Romulan faction? Since everyone seems to want everything either the KDF or the Rommies have which is unique to each of them to be hand delivered on a silver platter to the Spoon-Fed faction anyways?
Newsflash for you, Cryptic is horrible about balance and has proven to never be above making something purposefully OP to draw in players. Look at the formerly KDF exclusive consoles, its hard to say they didn't get the better ones, an advantage they enjoyed for years. Want more proof? Look at KDF Dil and EC generation through doffing, you just can't compare that to what feds can get.
Lets look at a more recent example shall we? The entirety of the Rom faction is full of OP-ness, boffs, traits, consoles, you name it! They figured out that the piecemeal candy that were the KDF doffing assignments and consoles are not enough to turn a healthy profit on, so instead they crammed everything they could imagine to make them desirable.
The reason they can get away with little to no real fed uniqueness is that most players prefer the feds, they're a sure sell. If Cryptic was at all capable of keeping things balanced maybe things would be different, but as it stands "uniqueness" is OP on purpose or totally useless.
However it would only be fair to EITHER release an Adapted Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator console to the Fed/KDF factions somehow, OR NOT limit the console to Warbirds only and have them bind to the account rather than to the character.
No.
As ever, I have to whip out the old "stop trying to make the factions exactly the same, they're supposed to be different" argument because - once again - someone is complaining about something that X has and Y doesn't, and therefore has missed the point that the factions aren't the same and they're supposed to be different.
See where i'm going?
On top of that, did you even read the blog on the new Dyson set from the Anniversary FE? Using a three-set bonus you get a passive power that is pretty similar, except it heals hull rather than shields.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
Show some respect, the Romulans lost their HOMEWORLD while KDF and Federation captains still get theirs (unless they're from Vega). I think anyone would gladly give up a couple consoles for their home planet to still be intact.
This is all PvP TRIBBLE. Why not post it on the appropriate forum? The majority of players couldn't care less about PvP. Yet your whining impacts them thoroughly.
I can see why no one else has broached this subject before. It almost seems like it is impossible for anyone on here with an opposing point of view to calmly and rationally explain that view, without degenerating into a bunch of finger-pointing, passive-aggressive elementary school flame trolls. I'm not here to babysit, nor am I here to discuss anything with people who act like the aforementioned. If you cant keep it on topic, discuss it rationally and calmly, have trouble discerning reality from fantasy, or just want to spread Fed/KDF or Cryptic hate mail.... DONT hit the reply button. Start your own thread somewhere else, which I wont read. Simple... done.
I didnt come roaring out of the gate with "OMFG... tHe rOmmPie's aRe SOOOOO OP... th3y are 2 l33t, gIvE uS eVrythIng tHey got!!!" Do I complain that the faction has a battle cloak on every ship... no. Did I complain that they are able to stack their Boffs to EASILY surpass 20% Crit Hit (which is more like 25-30% sustained crit, in the right build, in battles that I have parsed)... no. That topic is apparently being beaten to death in another thread, which is why I purposely kept it out of this one. But with all of that in mind, I will address the following
As ever, I have to whip out the old "stop trying to make the factions exactly the same, they're supposed to be different" argument because - once again - someone is complaining about something that X has and Y doesn't, and therefore has missed the point that the factions aren't the same and they're supposed to be different.
As stated in my topic, and original post, I am addressing one single console. I am not asking them to allow my fed captain to sit in the command seat of any of the warbirds, or be able to take my fed captain thru the Romulan story arc. THESE are what makes the Romulans Romulan. Its already there. I can see the want to keep some things unique and fully support that. But a little give and get for sake of balance
Using this sentiment as a guide, I would even go to compromise that the released Fed/KDF version wouldnt work as well as the original, hence the term "Adapted". So if the original gives you a 2.5% chance for 200% of your damage, Id compromise at 2.5% chance for 125-150% damage. Not as good as the original, but still a step in the right direction for the sake of balance mechanics
On top of that, did you even read the blog on the new Dyson set from the Anniversary FE? Using a three-set bonus you get a passive power that is pretty similar, except it heals hull rather than shields.
Which are also available to the Romulan faction which now will have a MASSIVE shield heal AND hull heal based off of their damage. Which is hugely determined by the whole Boff stacking thing I dont want to get into in here.
On top of that, did you even read the blog on the new Dyson set from the Anniversary FE? Using a three-set bonus you get a passive power that is pretty similar, except it heals hull rather than shields.
That set bonus is so useless it might not even be there.
1% chaneg to happen, limited in frequence, and limited in max heal to 1000 something. Tried it out, it proced twice during an entire stf. Well worth the set bonus ...
Aren't the Feds/KDF just about to get a hull version of the Valdore console?
You mean the one that Romulans get as well? That heals for half as much, activates less than half as much, and when it does locks itself out from proc'ing again for 5 second, that one? Because that's so equivalent to the Valdore console.
Here we go again another thread about I want what another faction has!
If you really want it, than go play that faction.
That makes it even funnier to read threads such as these. Everyone has atleast (1) character in each of the factions yet demand the same for all. Why even make different factions...
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Romulans already have a very limited selection of ships and therefore a few console, the Valdore console is just the best one of the pack. KDF/Feds don't need it, so stop complaining. I had to turn in a well worth number or dilithium for it and see that anyone can get it? Roll a Romulan if it is so important to you. :rolleyes:
It's difficult for a lot of people to listen to the "you just want every faction to be the same" people when those people have no problem with all three factions using the same ships. When they delete their Ferengi, Cardassian, Jem'Hadar, Voth, Elachi, Breen, Tholian, and Hirogen ships and stick to using Starfleet, Klingon, or Romulan ships based on their faction, then people may listen to them more.
I didnt come roaring out of the gate with "OMFG... tHe rOmmPie's aRe SOOOOO OP... th3y are 2 l33t, gIvE uS eVrythIng tHey got!!!" Do I complain that the faction has a battle cloak on every ship... no. Did I complain that they are able to stack their Boffs to EASILY surpass 20% Crit Hit (which is more like 25-30% sustained crit, in the right build, in battles that I have parsed)... no.
Yeaaaaaah, you KIIIINDA did.
Adding "I'm not SAYING that it's..." (or more specifically: See your entire opening post) to the start of a rant doesn't mean it's no longer everything you just claimed it wasn't!
Adding "I'm not SAYING that it's..." (or more specifically: See your entire opening post) to the start of a rant doesn't mean it's no longer everything you just claimed it wasn't!
I'm not trying to rant, just bringing up a topic of a specific gameplay imbalance, and trying to get intelligent, constructive discussion. I'm not bringing emotions into it, just trying to make sure those prospective posters on the topic don't either. That was the point I was trying to make with that statement. I don't care if anyone disagrees with the topic or my point of view, however it doesn't need to degenerate to the state of some of these other posts on here.
I agree with the OP. The Valdore console is one of the more "Broken" consoles currently in-game. It either needs adjusting or it needs to be available to all factions (IE Plasmonic Leech).
Roms often come out with the -40 argument to try and justify their claims, but when there are numerous Rom ships running dual AtB setups that completely negate that -40 issue and the afore mentioned plas leech & Valdore consoles, it becomes a void argument.
Seriously, run a Fleet Dhelan with dual AtB, plasmonic leech & the Valdore console and tell me it's not broken. It has the damage output of a JHAS, the tank of a Fed cruiser and those power levels you whine about look like 125/110/110/0. Throw it's vastly superior CritH, CritD, +200 stealth (Which gives it a perfect cloak), Battle cloak AND singularity powers into the mix and you have something genuinely ridiculous. It literally has NO DRAWBACKS.
It's laughable how many Roms say "It's balanced" or "Then roll a Romulan", but then what's the point in STO being called STO? They might as well call it "Romulans online".
The only players that think the Romulan faction is balanced are the scrubs who need all it's advantages to be competetive. Two consoles is all that's currently needed to give you scrubs a game breaking advantage. It's laughable frankly.
Isn't the Plasmonic Leech console basically a better version of the Valdore console anyway? And if so do you *really* need to run *both*?
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Why? Why did pwe/cryptic even bother going to the expense and trouble of making a Klingon or Romulan faction? Since everyone seems to want everything either the KDF or the Rommies have which is unique to each of them to be hand delivered on a silver platter to the Spoon-Fed faction anyways?
Tired of watching the Spoon-Feds get a new shiny about every two weeks and still not be satisfied. Not enough they get their own shiny, they all have to have the other factions' shiny as well.
No. The Spoon-Feds already have more shiny than the other two factions and the NPCs combined. I'd like for at least one thing to remain unique to the other two factions. Which I play far more than my Starfleet toons.
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and so are the romulans.
ive given up trying to advocate for balance, im just gonna go with it and make broken megaships from hell
i quit trying. lets just play broken trek: The Final OPtier.
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I'm actually wondering what took it so long.
Mostly people have been complaining about the Romulan Boffs, so the Valdore console managed to escape the worst of the heat.
Newsflash for you, Cryptic is horrible about balance and has proven to never be above making something purposefully OP to draw in players. Look at the formerly KDF exclusive consoles, its hard to say they didn't get the better ones, an advantage they enjoyed for years. Want more proof? Look at KDF Dil and EC generation through doffing, you just can't compare that to what feds can get.
Lets look at a more recent example shall we? The entirety of the Rom faction is full of OP-ness, boffs, traits, consoles, you name it! They figured out that the piecemeal candy that were the KDF doffing assignments and consoles are not enough to turn a healthy profit on, so instead they crammed everything they could imagine to make them desirable.
The reason they can get away with little to no real fed uniqueness is that most players prefer the feds, they're a sure sell. If Cryptic was at all capable of keeping things balanced maybe things would be different, but as it stands "uniqueness" is OP on purpose or totally useless.
No.
As ever, I have to whip out the old "stop trying to make the factions exactly the same, they're supposed to be different" argument because - once again - someone is complaining about something that X has and Y doesn't, and therefore has missed the point that the factions aren't the same and they're supposed to be different.
See where i'm going?
On top of that, did you even read the blog on the new Dyson set from the Anniversary FE? Using a three-set bonus you get a passive power that is pretty similar, except it heals hull rather than shields.
Deal with it, cryptic have no want or need to nerf them because it's their cash cow and you don't nerf the cash cow till its nearly dead now do you?
Just play a Romulan and it'll all be good or don't. I play a vulcan and don't care that he hasn't got a Valdore console.
But i am against overpowered mechanics exclusive to a single faction.
If cryptic wants cash, introduce ship consoles to the cstore
Add fed/kdf boffs with Sro the cstore
I personally am alright with having 0 access to battle cloak or war birds or singularity powers as a fed. They aren't game breaking in pvp or pve.
But that valdore console. It needs to come cross faction...no other warbird console would be as sought after. probably would surpass the leech in use.
I support the valdore console or something similar coming to kdf and fed factions...it is just too good in the hands of a good player.
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I didnt come roaring out of the gate with "OMFG... tHe rOmmPie's aRe SOOOOO OP... th3y are 2 l33t, gIvE uS eVrythIng tHey got!!!" Do I complain that the faction has a battle cloak on every ship... no. Did I complain that they are able to stack their Boffs to EASILY surpass 20% Crit Hit (which is more like 25-30% sustained crit, in the right build, in battles that I have parsed)... no. That topic is apparently being beaten to death in another thread, which is why I purposely kept it out of this one. But with all of that in mind, I will address the following
As stated in my topic, and original post, I am addressing one single console. I am not asking them to allow my fed captain to sit in the command seat of any of the warbirds, or be able to take my fed captain thru the Romulan story arc. THESE are what makes the Romulans Romulan. Its already there. I can see the want to keep some things unique and fully support that. But a little give and get for sake of balance
Using this sentiment as a guide, I would even go to compromise that the released Fed/KDF version wouldnt work as well as the original, hence the term "Adapted". So if the original gives you a 2.5% chance for 200% of your damage, Id compromise at 2.5% chance for 125-150% damage. Not as good as the original, but still a step in the right direction for the sake of balance mechanics
Which are also available to the Romulan faction which now will have a MASSIVE shield heal AND hull heal based off of their damage. Which is hugely determined by the whole Boff stacking thing I dont want to get into in here.
That set bonus is so useless it might not even be there.
1% chaneg to happen, limited in frequence, and limited in max heal to 1000 something. Tried it out, it proced twice during an entire stf. Well worth the set bonus ...
Not.
If you really want it, than go play that faction.
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That makes it even funnier to read threads such as these. Everyone has atleast (1) character in each of the factions yet demand the same for all. Why even make different factions...
LOL, where was this mentality when Feds were demanding things from KDF gameplay without playing KDF? :rolleyes:
Universal BOFF stations
KDF Consoles
Battlecruiser
Carrier
I'm sure I'm missing more. Those were things unique to the KDF, but not anymore.
Oh it was there. KDF told Feds that. Didn't work out that well in the end.
Moving on.
If their was a KDF/FED version it would also join their leech's on every ship-ever:D
Adding "I'm not SAYING that it's..." (or more specifically: See your entire opening post) to the start of a rant doesn't mean it's no longer everything you just claimed it wasn't!
I'm not trying to rant, just bringing up a topic of a specific gameplay imbalance, and trying to get intelligent, constructive discussion. I'm not bringing emotions into it, just trying to make sure those prospective posters on the topic don't either. That was the point I was trying to make with that statement. I don't care if anyone disagrees with the topic or my point of view, however it doesn't need to degenerate to the state of some of these other posts on here.
Roms often come out with the -40 argument to try and justify their claims, but when there are numerous Rom ships running dual AtB setups that completely negate that -40 issue and the afore mentioned plas leech & Valdore consoles, it becomes a void argument.
Seriously, run a Fleet Dhelan with dual AtB, plasmonic leech & the Valdore console and tell me it's not broken. It has the damage output of a JHAS, the tank of a Fed cruiser and those power levels you whine about look like 125/110/110/0. Throw it's vastly superior CritH, CritD, +200 stealth (Which gives it a perfect cloak), Battle cloak AND singularity powers into the mix and you have something genuinely ridiculous. It literally has NO DRAWBACKS.
It's laughable how many Roms say "It's balanced" or "Then roll a Romulan", but then what's the point in STO being called STO? They might as well call it "Romulans online".
The only players that think the Romulan faction is balanced are the scrubs who need all it's advantages to be competetive. Two consoles is all that's currently needed to give you scrubs a game breaking advantage. It's laughable frankly.
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