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orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Federation Discussion
Now I'm not one of the people that think the Galaxy nor the Galaxy-X is broken in any way, nor do I think it needs to give in to the need for DPS in this (IMO flawed) heavy-DPS demanding environment. But I do have one request for my fellow STO players that do. I think they at least deserve to know why most of their requests were not met in the Galaxy Reboot. So please let us know why you have made the decisions that you did.

Just to be fair. Thank you. =)
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Shouting at them in the title won't motivate them to read it though.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Your best bet is to find them at a live dev panel at a Star Trek convention and ask them during the Q&A part.
    Member since November 2009... I think.
    (UFP) Ragnar
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited March 2014
  • pet1e86pet1e86 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    They regularly come to these forums though.

    Doesn't seem that way though does it ?

    Asa they clearly ignore all player feedback, not like i remember before PWE when they used to listen.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Keep in mind a few things:

    1- The very first post in the Galaxy Beef megathread asked for an extra tactical console. The Fleet X is getting an extra tactical console.

    2- Quite a lot of posts talked about the possibility of adding a hangar to the ship. The X is getting a hangar.

    3- The shotgun thingie does seem to improve the phaser lance. Which is something a lot of people asked for.

    4- The set bonus and the saucer separation help the ship turn better, which was also a long standing complaint.

    Taken in context, the Devs appear to have listened to quite a bit of feedback. They just didn't implement all of the suggestions given.

    The feedback system does work. Doesn't work perfectly, but it does work.

    EDIT: I also think if you all want more changes, just keep giving feedback. They've made further tweaks after ships have been released in the past.

    A great example of this is ... the Galaxy X. Which debuted with just 7 weapons. And many months later, after quite a lot of feedback, they upped to 8 weapons.
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  • killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 920 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I wanna know where the fleet guramba is.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    pet1e86 wrote: »
    Doesn't seem that way though does it ?
    Yes, it does seem that way. You know, the way they post here all the time and all?
    pet1e86 wrote: »
    Asa they clearly ignore all player feedback, not like i remember before PWE when they used to listen.
    Just because they don't do what posters say doesn't mean they don't read what we say.
    Keep in mind a few things:

    1- The very first post in the Galaxy Beef megathread asked for an extra tactical console. The Fleet X is getting an extra tactical console.

    2- Quite a lot of posts talked about the possibility of adding a hangar to the ship. The X is getting a hangar.

    3- The shotgun thingie does seem to improve the phaser lance. Which is something a lot of people asked for.

    4- The set bonus and the saucer separation help the ship turn better, which was also a long standing complaint.

    Taken in context, the Devs appear to have listened to quite a bit of feedback. They just didn't implement all of the suggestions given.

    The feedback system does work. Doesn't work perfectly, but it does work.
    I wanna know where the fleet guramba is.
    Agreed.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Now I'm not one of the people that think the Galaxy nor the Galaxy-X is broken in any way, nor do I think it needs to give in to the need for DPS in this (IMO flawed) heavy-DPS demanding environment
    My initial answer was going to be "Well, the Dev's apparently agreed with you. The ship doesn't need a fix." Then I read Snoggymack's post:
    [Snip all the good stuff the devs did in response to feedback on GalX]Taken in context, the Devs appear to have listened to quite a bit of feedback. They just didn't implement all of the suggestions given.
    It isn't the Rommie Dred, but it shouldn't be, but the devs DID address a lot of complaints. So, apparently they disagreed with you enough to make some improvements.

    Ya know what? I'm pretty sure I'm buying it. Just for the "Oh! Cool!" Factor when I pop out of cloak, lance something then watch as my saucer flys away, spewing antimatter at my adversaries. Epic. Fun.

    Even if it is as horrible a ship as some seem to be implying, one could liken my approach to this as the guy who buys the Army Surplus tanks. He can't drive the thing to work, but driving over junk cars with it in his backyard sure looks like fun!!

    So, there. If the devs decide to improve on the ship even farther, great. If not, well I suspect some won't buy it because they feel slighted, it might be good to throw them a bone, but I plan on doing what I intended to do when I signed up for this game: Have. Fun. Epic. Fun.

    Y'all should try it someday.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I wanna know where the fleet guramba is.

    Probably the same place as our fixed uniforms.
  • jarfarujarfaru Member Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Your best bet is to find them at a live dev panel at a Star Trek convention and ask them during the Q&A part.

    Man i would love that. I bet they would cut the event short and run off the stage. I have never seen this much bad feedback from something and they just ignore it. Heck maybe its not them but their new bosses.
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jarfaru wrote: »
    Man i would love that. I bet they would cut the event short and run off the stage. I have never seen this much bad feedback from something and they just ignore it. Heck maybe its not them but their new bosses.

    Arc. This is nothing compared to the amount of bad feedback that it gets.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Speaking of the devs throwing a bone, I can see a meeting going like this:
    Dev 1: Ok, the players asked for U, V, W, X, Y and Z. Congrats, team! We were able to give them W, X, Y and Z AND still keep the game balanced!
    Dev 2: You know, the players will be up in arms that we didn't give them U and V.
    D1: Yes, but short of either doing nothing and having them continue to complain or giving it all and having the Romulan and Klingon players complain even more, what can we do?!?
    D2: Perhaps we release the ship with X, Y, and Z, then give them W when they've cried enough."
    If I were on the Dev Team, this strategy would have at least crossed my mind.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • captainpirkocaptainpirko Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    what annoys me about the galaxy thread stuff is this statement
    it cant compete, i took it into No-Win, and it did horrible.

    it cant compete at... what? staying alive? your own fault, the galaxy's a best tank. DPS? its not meant to go home. the statement "it did horrible in no-win, clearly it needs to be buffed". has anyone considered that some ships are designed to be better at some missions and not so great in others? no one would suggest a vesta to be good in no-win, yet i havent heard any cries for it to be buffed.

    there's some missions where different ships will do better then others. in CCE, galaxies are amazing for their tanking power, which does help them get first place as healing is counted towards 1st place.
    a escort is good where speed and sustained damage is good, but in a situation like CCE, they can get torn apart easily by not noticing a few fragments and getting crushed by them, but take them into an ISE, or a KASE, and they'll be the best ones there most likely.

    you wouldnt take a voquv into a race and expect to win, why would you think a galaxy should be able to do everything as good as everyone else? it does have it's place and if your not playing that area of the game, its your fault, not the ship or the devs. that's like me saying that because i'm a multivector i should be able to do both all the damage and all the tanking for every STF, PVP, and warzone in the game. learn your place people, just because it's your favorite, doesnt mean it'll be the best for what you wanna do.

    i think the only people that have anything to complain about is science. when have you heard anyone say "wanna do better in ____? fly a intrepid/vesta/nebula". the galaxy actually has the role of tank, which against what most people say does have a place in the game if not a big one.

    the real question shouldnt be "whats your beef with the galaxy" but instead "whats your beef with tanking?"
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    what annoys me about the galaxy thread stuff is this statement



    it cant compete at... what? staying alive? your own fault, the galaxy's a best tank. DPS? its not meant to go home. the statement "it did horrible in no-win, clearly it needs to be buffed". has anyone considered that some ships are designed to be better at some missions and not so great in others? no one would suggest a vesta to be good in no-win, yet i havent heard any cries for it to be buffed.
    The problem is most of the time people have no clue how to play this game - especially if they never PvP. They spend 50 levels flying in a circle with autofire on and then cannot comprehend why everything past the story missions does not work that way.

    It is the game's fault, though. It is too easy at the beginning and so the players never need to learn how to do teamwork, or tank, or whatever. They are totally unprepared for everything that comes after the missions end - and it does not matter what ship they are using.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,386 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Now I'm not one of the people that think the Galaxy nor the Galaxy-X is broken in any way, nor do I think it needs to give in to the need for DPS in this (IMO flawed) heavy-DPS demanding environment. But I do have one request for my fellow STO players that do. I think they at least deserve to know why most of their requests were not met in the Galaxy Reboot. So please let us know why you have made the decisions that you did.

    Just to be fair. Thank you. =)

    Please read bluegeeks reply on another thread

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=15521081&postcount=23

    Demanding the Devs to answer for the decisions for me is not on. ALL the devs work bloody hard at giving us the game. We the players are not in any position to make demands on them.
  • jimqqijimqqi Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    bergins wrote: »
    Even if it is as horrible a ship as some seem to be implying.

    It's not. Even as is it can break 20k dps on a tac captain. Most people who play this game can't fit a ship to save their own lives.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    bergins wrote: »
    My initial answer was going to be "Well, the Dev's apparently agreed with you. The ship doesn't need a fix." Then I read Snoggymack's post:It isn't the Rommie Dred, but it shouldn't be, but the devs DID address a lot of complaints. So, apparently they disagreed with you enough to make some improvements.
    I honestly didn't want NO improvements made to the ships. I just don't think it needs as much tactical ability as others want it to have. I'm all for giving it stuff like console set bonuses(and I secretly want console bonuses for every refit/retrofit pair of the same ship type)
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    eazzie wrote: »

    Demanding the Devs to answer for the decisions for me is not on. ALL the devs work bloody hard at giving us the game. We the players are not in any position to make demands on them.

    We're customers.

    We have every right.
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Anything with DEVS READ THIS is almost guaranteed to be ignored especially if it's posted in general discussion, this isn't one of the feedback forums or one of the support forums, this is the shark tank.
    Threads posted like a demand are never taken seriously and given the amount of vitriol being exhibited in the forms right now regarding the Galaxy, no Dev would have any reason to want to expose themselves to it.
    If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
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  • projectfrontierprojectfrontier Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Keep in mind a few things:

    1- The very first post in the Galaxy Beef megathread asked for an extra tactical console. The Fleet X is getting an extra tactical console.

    The first post of the "Galaxy Beef megathread" asked for an extra tactical console?

    You are talking about this one right?

    Here is the first post from that 600+ page thread:
    I have come to the conclusion that Cryptic are not fans of The Next Generation because at every turn they have basically placated the Galaxy Class, even the Fleet Version is appalling compared to the ludicrous upgrades that the Defiant gets (5 Tactical Console Slots... Really!?)...

    no console requested here

    I am trying to get to the bottom as to why Cryptic continually hate on the Galaxy Class. It seems as if they only put it in the game to give a "Star Trek Feeling" but have put no effort into the Galaxies design or set up.

    no console requested here

    First off, why on Earth does an Excelsior and Fleet Excelsior (4 Tactical Console Slots btw and 1 Lieutenant Commander Console) complete outpower a Galaxy when the Galaxy is a newer and more tactically powerful ship!

    no console requested here

    The Galaxy Class in the game is COMPLETELY disappointing compared to its on screen counter part. Thats all well and good but you had a chance to change that and what do you do... PUT ANOTHER ENGINEERING CONSOLE ON IT!

    no console requested here

    It doesn't need that! What it needs is Tactical Power and not to be completely useless next to the Odyssey, a ship which you try to force most cruiser captains to use... I want more love for the Galaxy Class and less biased towards the Odyssey... Make the Galaxy Class a viable ship!

    no console requested here

    I have come to the conclusion that Cryptic know absolutely nothing about Star Trek and we'd be better off with the actual Star Trek fans producing this game because at least they could get the ships actually right to begin with.

    no console requested here

    Where is the request for a console?
    EDIT: I also think if you all want more changes, just keep giving feedback. They've made further tweaks after ships have been released in the past.

    A great example of this is ... the Galaxy X. Which debuted with just 7 weapons. And many months later, after quite a lot of feedback, they upped to 8 weapons.

    People have been giving feedback, incredibly legitimate and critical feedback - and you know this because you are one of the many die-hard Cryptic sycophants who took it upon themselves to derail those threads by diluting them with vacuous and hostile responses.

    Your tune may have changed, potentially because of the warnings that I understand were universally tossed around by moderators for the vitriol, but the stench never will.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    zipagat wrote: »
    Probably the same place as our fixed uniforms.

    You might want to take a look at the latest Tribble patch notes........

    They'll make your day.
  • annahannah Member Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The first post of the "Galaxy Beef megathread" asked for an extra tactical console?

    You are talking about this one right?

    Here is the first post from that 600+ page thread:



    Where is the request for a console?


    The entire post is about tactical consoles and tactical power. Either you're immensely obtuse because it's not spelled out exactly as "Add tactical console" or you're just being bad at trolling.
  • f9thaceshighf9thaceshigh Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    We're customers.

    We have every right.

    um...no


    Take it from someone in customer service, you don't have squat. You can either pay for it or not, that's your only right. The customer is always WRONG!
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Is this thread going anywhere that the main Galaxy feedback thread didn't go?

    Or should I just merge it now?

    Because I'm not seeing any attempt to ask the devs specific questions about design decisions.

    If you want some kind of response, I'd suggest starting with the blog post from Geko and work your way out from there.

    No Dev is likely going to get on here and start rambling about the Galaxy design. But they might answer specific questions.

    Like...

    How does making the Ensign Tac slot universal help the Galaxy-X to be more effective?

    What other BOFF layouts did you consider during the design process, and why were they rejected?

    Why does the Galaxy-X need a hangar? Why not the Galaxy-R?
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I've changed my mind about the Fleet Dread. It's a fine ship. It's not useless at all. But imagine it with a Lt. Cmdr tac boff for a second: The Fleet Assault Cruiser would be obsolete. Why use that ship when you have a Dreadnought with the same tac consoles and boff seating, plus a fighter bay and a phaser shotgun/sniper rifle and can separate and turn like an escort and equip cannons? Even the Fleet Avenger would be obsoleted by the Dread.

    No. The Fleet Dread is fine. It is also the only 4 tac console ship the Feds have that can keep EPTW-3 on constant rotation which also gives a hefty damage bonus. It can use basic attack patterns and FAW and the dreaded A2B build that everyone with no imagination has fallen in love with. It's a fine ship and it will hold its own next to the other tac cruisers with ease.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Is this thread going anywhere that the main Galaxy feedback thread didn't go?

    Or should I just merge it now?

    Because I'm not seeing any attempt to ask the devs specific questions about design decisions.

    If you want some kind of response, I'd suggest starting with the blog post from Geko and work your way out from there.
    Sigh. I was hoping it wouldn't have turned into the same thing, but it looks like it's going to.

    Do what you gotta do, BG. Hope the devs saw it already and are considering shedding some light on the reason for their decisions.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    you are one of the many die-hard Cryptic sycophants

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Oh wow.

    Just wow.

    So like back before the PWE merger forced account shenangians and I had to get stuck with a new account and name, I posted under the name Superchum.

    I'm not at all a "die-hard Cryptic sycophant."

    I just chilled the heck out.

    Someday you will too.

    Until then ... man, you just made my day. Neither Wishstone nor Stormshade would ever have characterized me as that.
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  • solantolvalsolantolval Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I've changed my mind about the Fleet Dread. It's a fine ship. It's not useless at all. But imagine it with a Lt. Cmdr tac boff for a second: The Fleet Assault Cruiser would be obsolete. Why use that ship when you have a Dreadnought with the same tac consoles and boff seating, plus a fighter bay and a phaser shotgun/sniper rifle and can separate and turn like an escort and equip cannons? Even the Fleet Avenger would be obsoleted by the Dread.

    No. The Fleet Dread is fine. It is also the only 4 tac console ship the Feds have that can keep EPTW-3 on constant rotation which also gives a hefty damage bonus. It can use basic attack patterns and FAW and the dreaded A2B build that everyone with no imagination has fallen in love with. It's a fine ship and it will hold its own next to the other tac cruisers with ease.

    +1 good sir!
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I have moved the thread to the Fed Shipyard forum, at least. We shall see if a thread merge or closure is in the cards or not...
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