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angrybear32angrybear32 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
I just read the free extra slots news bit that every char. will get.

Thats nice i suppose, but i have to admit that one of the first things that crossed my mind was : whats the point of having a sub?

There is really in essence 0 difference now between silver and gold accounts. (and yes im subbed)
Except perhaps veteran awards, but considering you literally need to have a 1000 days to really enjoy that (or spend a large amount of money at once) its really not that much a deal is it?

Do we get to refine more dilithium? no
Is it that much harder for someone to gain an increase in EC limit? no (that 325 zen is easily gained ingame)

Well hell i can keep making a list, but i think people understand what im trying to say.

There seems to be no notable difference anymore.
Maybe its selfish of me, but on the other hand, i pay so other people can play for free.
It would be nice to see a far bigger difference between the two or else what is the point?

Grind some dilithium and you can keep playing for free, but then you'd go broke and the game goes bye bye which nobody here would want to happen. (i assume :P )

I guess im looking for incentive to keep paying.
More then just "its star trek which i love".
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Not all that much tbh. One of STO's best features is being the better of the free to play models. Apart from restricting a few inventory slots, the entirety of STO is unrestricted to play..
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Buy yourself the EC cap at least, that seems to bite people more than anything else on silver.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I view subscriptions as.. an automated way to support Cryptic/the development of the game, not as a privileged status buy-in. The latter is a rather toxic mentality for the long-term health of the community(from both sides). Besides, the real meat of STO's monetary intake isn't from subscriptions, it's from the dilithium exchange, bundles(ships and legacy packs), lockboxes and doff pack ship promotions.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Subbing each month is a ripoff for suckers too stupid to realize the LTS is cheaper in the long run.

    this ^^^^^^ also getting a LTS get vet rewards day one
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  • kublahkankublahkan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Speaking of which, I was trying to get the list of the Veteran rewards but with the new website it's impossible. If you google it you always get redirected to the new website where the information is nonexistent.

    Any clues?
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kublahkan wrote: »
    Speaking of which, I was trying to get the list of the Veteran rewards but with the new website it's impossible. If you google it you always get redirected to the new website where the information is nonexistent.

    Any clues?

    idk how up to date it is http://sto.gamepedia.com/Veteran_Rewards
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    As others have said, there is basically no real benefit in subscribing, except maybe the respec tokens. As a gold member, every time you level up you gain a respec token to reskill your character. A "silver" player does not - you need to pay in Zen to reskill your character. That's right, a basic out-of-the-box feature other games have is a premium-thing in STO.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kublahkan wrote: »
    Speaking of which, I was trying to get the list of the Veteran rewards but with the new website it's impossible. If you google it you always get redirected to the new website where the information is nonexistent.

    Any clues?
    Everything pertaining to the business aspects of the game - FTP Matrix, Subscriptions, etc - are now under Guides. So, from the STO website you simply click on Guides and then click on Veteran Rewards.
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  • kublahkankublahkan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Aahh thanks!
    Cheers!
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  • stevedudemanstevedudeman Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Subbing each month is a ripoff for suckers too stupid to realize the LTS is cheaper in the long run.

    OR...It could be that some of our personal budgets don't allow us to spend literally hundreds of dollars into one video game in one payment.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    OR...It could be that some of our personal budgets don't allow us to spend literally hundreds of dollars into one video game in one payment.

    save up like a kid does for something they want i live on 721$ a month and got me a life time dont go their
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  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Not much. The only thing(s) you're getting in addition are the veteran rewards. Honestly, you're better off either going silver, or LTS. LTS will get you all the vet rewards, plus the 400 zen per month stipend. It's also the cheapest way to pay over time. If vet rewards and the stipend don't concern you, Silver is the best option, because you pay nothing, ever, unless you want to buy something. Personally, I don't advocate giving PWE/Cryptic a cent of real money for anything, so I have a silver account, with a couple of legacy copies of the game that I purchased from resellers, to give me the Gold bank/inventory slots.
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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    many say it's worth paying for just a month while you level up some characters. then go f2p.
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  • cptwilliam2cptwilliam2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Honestly, not really. Paying monthly for this game is a waste.


    The "benefits" of being gold are how much better it is for multiple characters. Which sounds good, except the whole game is geared towards having one character. So the only real set of "benefits" is against the grind of the game.

    The best advice for people would be to simply sub for a month and level a character in each faction or just stay silver.
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  • doming0doming0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Yeah, I don't agree with your thinking that we are getting hosed. I have a sub and I have probably dumped quite a bit of money into this game but the end goal is that it stays around for awhile. If nobody subbed or bought LTS, where would the money come from to pay the dev's etc.?

    Just my .02 cents.
  • kublahkankublahkan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I have a sub and I don't feel like I'm a complete idiot: I don't think I'll play the game for full year.
    Don't judge other's actions based on your own perspective.


    EDIT: What am I thinking... Forums are a place where people judge others based on their own perspective.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    No Zen is free.

    Some of you people have the wild idea the Zen on the exchange was summoned from ether or that PW/Cryptic puts Dilithium or Zen on the exchange, they dont ... all Zen is payed for, be it from buying directly or from stipends.

    The only debatable "free" Zen is of Lifers.
    If someone gives me a free car then it is a free car to me. I do not care how much he paid for it. :D
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  • thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I think Arc might bring in a new era of gold subscription benefits.
    I would love to visit this star in-game...or maybe this one!
    Won't SOMEONE please think of the CHILDREN?!
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I think Arc might bring in a new era of gold subscription benefits.
    Once ARC becomes mandatory they no-longer have any reason to award us for using it.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I think Arc might bring in a new era of gold subscription benefits.

    you sure you are not paid?
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  • thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    you sure you are not paid?

    Yup. I'm not paid.
    I would love to visit this star in-game...or maybe this one!
    Won't SOMEONE please think of the CHILDREN?!
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I just read the free extra slots news bit that every char. will get.

    Thats nice i suppose, but i have to admit that one of the first things that crossed my mind was : whats the point of having a sub?

    There is really in essence 0 difference now between silver and gold accounts. (and yes im subbed)
    Except perhaps veteran awards, but considering you literally need to have a 1000 days to really enjoy that (or spend a large amount of money at once) its really not that much a deal is it?

    Do we get to refine more dilithium? no
    Is it that much harder for someone to gain an increase in EC limit? no (that 325 zen is easily gained ingame)

    Well hell i can keep making a list, but i think people understand what im trying to say.

    There seems to be no notable difference anymore.
    Maybe its selfish of me, but on the other hand, i pay so other people can play for free.
    It would be nice to see a far bigger difference between the two or else what is the point?

    Grind some dilithium and you can keep playing for free, but then you'd go broke and the game goes bye bye which nobody here would want to happen. (i assume :P )

    I guess im looking for incentive to keep paying.
    More then just "its star trek which i love".

    as a subber you still get more bank and inventory slots to start with plus you also get a certain amount of account slots that ftp dont get but at the end of the day the best way to sub is to get lifetime.
    i stayed ftp until i had enough put buy to get a lifetime sub when it was on sale.
    finacially speaking this is the most cost effective and value for money option there is.
    what you get as a free player makes the extra you get for a regular monthly sub very minor, much better if you dont want lifetime to invest that money in just buying zen every month.
    most of the extras you get from subbing you can buy with zen anyway plus you would have all that extra that you can use to buy ships and stuff or convert to dilithium and such.
    but if you pay a monthly sub your best bet would be to put that money to one side each month and youll be suprised how quick you can get lifetime specially if they do another sale.
    then you get all the perks all the way up to 1000 day in one go this alone is worth the price of lifetime at full price but if you get it on sale you are really making a killing.
    then once youve gone life you can always buy more zen with the money youve saved.

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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Creating a huge enough gap as to make sub's seem, or become OP in some fashion is detrimental to the game's community in general.

    While I do agree some added perks for sub's, should be looked into here soon to help keep the interest for people looking to purchase a sub and keep those who did happy.

    However those who did pay for a LTS, over a period of time it pays them back in free zen stipends, so micro-transactions are still the biggest money intake for Cryptic.

    In general though this game is still one of the best F2P systems around! :)
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Subbing each month is a ripoff for suckers too stupid to realize the LTS is cheaper in the long run.

    When you don't have deep pockets and your spouse is willing to overlook $15 or less a month but not an LTS purchase, you take what you can get.

    Doesn't matter that it's cheaper in the long run. It's dropping $300 on a game that you don't own, and still sucks more money after you buy it. Try explaining that to a non-gamer, non-geek spouse.

    When an LTS would've made sense, I couldn't afford it. Now that I can afford it and could risk a little wife-aggro, I've got too many subbed days and it doesn't make sense.

    I can turn my $10-15 a month into $10-15 a month on Zen. I can get Zen for me and for my sons who play with me. I can turn around and use that Zen on Champions or Neverwinter if I want.

    There are drawbacks, but would I be smarter to blow the money on an LTS when I'm already over 900 days? The only reasons to do it now are the stipend and the Liberated Borg.


    Anyhow, back on topic... Looking back from the perspective of a 900 day veteran and all of the goodies I get for all of the characters I create, there's a big, big difference in having them and not having them. If I had to buy that stuff (if I could), it would probably cost more than a month to month subscription in the long run.

    Anything that you don't automatically get as a Gold account, you're going to end up paying for with Zen if you're serious about this game. If you've got the time to play the dilithium grinding game, and don't care about Gold perks, don't sub. There's a reason a lot of guys have the LTS, though.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    month one you have 14.99 save that next month you have 30 keep doing this till you have the money for a life time......
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