I wonder how the story went behind that:
"The Federation is proud to announce that Starfleet and the Ferengi Trade Mission in a joint venture will make their newest Starship available for everybody with enough money" :P
Silliness aside; I do think most ppl seriously considering all Dyson Ships from the c-store will be glad that they don't have to pay 15k for 3 seperate bundles. Its not like the price was artifically inflated for the single ship versions on which the bundle prices are based.
Dyson Science Destroyer comes out with a bit of grindwork: "Weh weh! I want it NAO! I'm not going to play it!"
Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer comes out without the additional gear the DSD has: "Weh weh! It's not complete! I'm not going to buy it!"
Dyson Science Destroyer becomes a Lobi ship: "Weh weh! You're insulting us by putting this here! How dare you!"
I think the only way any of you people would have been happy was if Cryptic gave you all twelve ships right then and there all decked out in Fleet gear, plus 5000 Zen and, like 10,000 Lobi. And even THEN, you wouldn't be happy!
No, what would have made me happy was Cryptic designing this whole debacle in a sensible way, as opposed to the ill thought through, ill considered and wholly ill begotten mess we did get.
This is all cryptic not thinking things through, not listening to the early warnings and not acknowledging errors.
I will laugh so hard if the Lobi version is not bound and will be purchasable via the exchange. All those people who chased mini Qs ... now they could just get it truly for free for EC... hahaha.
I'll laugh, too, since I did the event. See, it took me approximately one hour per character to chase those mini Qs 15 times, and I'll bet that if the Lobi version is in a box that can be sold, it will cost more EC than I could make in an hour of play. Your mileage may vary.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
Let's see here: minimum amount of lobi per lockbox = 4
So.....At most you would need to open 150 lockboxes. That would require fifteen 10 key packs at 1,125 zen each. So you're looking at the most 1,685 Zen just to get the secondary deflector and warp/singularity core. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
If you really think that 15 x 1125 = 1685, then I suggest you pay more attention in maths class.
15 x 10 key packs (at 1,125 Zen per 10-key pack) would cost you 16,875 Zen.
I think the only way any of you people would have been happy was if Cryptic gave you all twelve ships right then and there all decked out in Fleet gear, plus 5000 Zen and, like 10,000 Lobi. And even THEN, you wouldn't be happy!
If that happened, people would complain that they had to buy enough ship slots to put all the ships in.
If you really think that 15 x 1125 = 1685, then I suggest you pay more attention in maths class.
15 x 10 key packs (at 1,125 Zen per 10-key pack) would cost you 16,875 Zen.
Yes. You are correct. That was a typo, not a math mistake.
But as you can see, my point is that with record breaking luck of getting only 4 lobi per lockbox, you could essentially be paying over 6,000 more zen to get the anniversary ship in the lobi store than the entire 9 dyson ship pack bundle for 10,000 zen.
I doubt anybody would have that bad luck. So take off a few thousand assuming you get more than 4 lobi from some boxes, and you're still looking at paying close to, or still more than, the 9 ship bundle. Whatever the case may be with how many lobi you get per box, you're most likely looking at paying at minimum, more than as single c-store ship.
It's TRIBBLE.
What they could have done is make the anniversary dyson ship a tier 3 spire ship, remove the deflector and warp/singularity core, charge 4-5 ship modules, and place the set equipment in the lobi store each for the same price as other console set equipment.
But no. They want to force you to get the entire anniversary ship just for the set items from the lobi store.
Who in their right mind after buying the c-store ships, which are better than the anniversary ship, would buy it just to get the set items and then discharge a 600 lobi ship that they never wanted?
I think the only way any of you people would have been happy was if Cryptic gave you all twelve ships right then and there all decked out in Fleet gear, plus 5000 Zen and, like 10,000 Lobi. And even THEN, you wouldn't be happy!
Wrong.
No-one here is complaining about the advanced DSD's being released in the C-Store, nor is anyone suggesting that Cryptic shoudn't be allowed to make money off these ships. The issue at hand is that a lot of players - myself included - feel somewhat insulted by the whole affair. What was supposed to be a player appreciation event was turned into a huge cash grab, alongside the whole new "grind and pay" model that we're looking at now.
What clearly annoys me - and other people here - is that the original DSD, with it's unique items (which were at one point implied to be exclusive to the Anniversary event) was locked behind an Grindwall and/or optional Paywall, and now it's going to be locked behind a mandatory paywall.
Let me be frank - I flat out refuse to buy any of the ADSDs because they don't include the full set. If Cryptic wants me to drop $100 on these new ships (which by and large, aren't worth it) then they'd better reconsider trying to sell me an incomplete package.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
I wonder how the story went behind that:
"The Federation is proud to announce that Starfleet and the Ferengi Trade Mission in a joint venture will make their newest Starship available for everybody with enough money" :P
Silliness aside; I do think most ppl seriously considering all Dyson Ships from the c-store will be glad that they don't have to pay 15k for 3 seperate bundles. Its not like the price was artifically inflated for the single ship versions on which the bundle prices are based.
I dont mind paying for ships. I just want the WHOLE ship when I pay for it.
What clearly annoys me - and other people here - is that the original DSD, with it's unique items (which were at one point implied to be exclusive to the Anniversary event) was locked behind an Grindwall and/or optional Paywall, and now it's going to be locked behind a mandatory paywall.
So what annoys you is that, whether by grind or by paying, you actually have to DO something to get a new ship?
So what annoys you is that, whether by grind or by paying, you actually have to DO something to get a new ship?
Wow, that's a hell of a sense of entitlement.
Not really. I didn't say that I mind grinding OR paying - I do, a bit, but it's part of the game so you learn to live with it. I do mind grinding AND then being expected to pay through my nose.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
They got players to play daily for the Free ship and some money from the players wishing to expand it's capabilities.
Without having to have access to a T5 Fleet!!!!
Putting the ship in the Lobi Store is them just being nice as they could have made all those not wishing to grind wait until next year like they did with the Chel Gret.
Putting the ship in the Lobi Store is them just being nice as they could have made all those not wishing to grind wait until next year like they did with the Chel Gret.
Pah. It is not Cryptic being "nice". If they were being nice, they'd have given it away like they did with the Ambassador, Obelisk and Oddy/Bortasqu'. This is just greed. They're compensating for the fact that the nine-pack isn't going to sell very well by forcing you to use Lobi for the sub-par version instead.
Besides, if that's what you like, then why not ask them to put the Breen ships into the Lobi store so that we can do away with the whole "grind when we tell you to grind" mentality?
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
Pah. It is not Cryptic being "nice". If they were being nice, they'd have given it away like they did with the Ambassador, Obelisk and Oddy/Bortasqu'. This is just greed. They're compensating for the fact that the nine-pack isn't going to sell very well by forcing you to use Lobi for the sub-par version instead.
Besides, if that's what you like, then why not ask them to put the Breen ships into the Lobi store so that we can do away with the whole "grind when we tell you to grind" mentality?
So what you're saying is give us a bare bones scaled down destroyer for anniversary free of grind. This is how it worked in previous years. You would get the base version of the ship and no gear. They then would place the warp core and secondary deflector in the lobi store like other special release ships for 400 lobi. They told us the grind happened because these ships had unique stuff and abilities and they do.
I personally prefer my two minute grind for 15 days to buying gear separately.
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Wow, 600 lobi for a 9-console ship? That's.. outrageous. No other 9-console ship costs that much. 9-console ships shouldn't even be in the lobi store. It should be in the fleet Spire like the 9-console Obelisk carrier. "Special gear" be damned, it's their own fault for not thinking it through and I don't care if it sets a precedent for a fleet ship with special gear. If they learn their lesson they won't have to do it again in the future and the fleet DSD will be a one-off fluke.
Or rephrase it as 600 lobi for 2 pieces of gear (because who is going to actually use the ship after paying for the gear?) and it's even more outrageous. Why not 400 to match all of the other space gear prices? (Which I also think is still an insane price but that's another thread entirely.) Maybe throw in another 50 for the hull.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
Oh? "It's your fault you didn't get the ship for free during the event".
Try telling that to players who are brand new to the game 6 months from now. You gonna tell them it's their fault they didn't start playing soon enough?
This isn't about the anniversary ship going into the lobi store. It's about the god damn secondary deflector and warp/singularity core being locked behind a 600 lobi purchase, for our future characters created after the event, and new players to the game that come along later.
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No I'm not saying that and neither is Cryptic. The original plan was you had to participate in the anniversary event to get the ship. This is the same for all the previous event ships. Cryptic also gives away other ships and gear and if you aren't here to get it you miss out.
But wait, there's more... just like all previous event ships you will be able to earn this ship next year for new people or new characters.
There still more... As a special benefit with this ship because some of you may not want to wait until next years event we will make this ship and its unique gear available in the lobi store for just 600 lobi that's 200 less than any other lobi ship.
It could be worse... you could have to wait until next year or worse... its never offered again. I think what we have here is a bunch of people who thought they would go to the fleet store and buy this ship with fleet credits and get the shiney gear with it. Fleet ships of course dont come with the cool gear though anyways. Only bare bones version of previous ships were sold in the fleet stores
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Dyson Science Destroyer comes out with a bit of grindwork: "Weh weh! I want it NAO! I'm not going to play it!"
Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer comes out without the additional gear the DSD has: "Weh weh! It's not complete! I'm not going to buy it!"
Dyson Science Destroyer becomes a Lobi ship: "Weh weh! You're insulting us by putting this here! How dare you!"
I think the only way any of you people would have been happy was if Cryptic gave you all twelve ships right then and there all decked out in Fleet gear, plus 5000 Zen and, like 10,000 Lobi. And even THEN, you wouldn't be happy!
Incorrect. The ways to make "people happy" were many, and offered in the 50+ pages of discussion when this was first announced:
1) Make 9-slot Anni ship one-and-done, like every Anni ship in the past
2) If it's going to be a grind ship, make it grind-ship quality (10-console) like the Plesh Brek, Chel Gret, or Risian Corvette
3) Offer the Core/Deflector2 in the C-store versions of the ship, so paying customers don't also have to grind
4) Don't make a pack for each faction.
5) Don't require a 3-pack purchase for the full Set
6) Don't do any or all of the above at once.
Additional ways this could not stink:
-Make the DSD 400 Lobi, and each Console 100 Lobi
-Offer the Consoles for sale in the Spire for Fleet Credits
-Offer the 9-console ship in the Spire for a Fleet Ship Module
-Offer the DSD as a C-store, account-wide purchase
-Put the Deflector (to finish the C-store set) on the C-store ships, so they're not incomplete.
-Put the Core as a single Fleet/Lobi purchase.
You're completely ignoring the fact that Cryptic intentionally gimped each part of the equation: "Dyson Science Destroyer comes out with a bit of grindwork: "Weh weh! I want it NAO! I'm not going to play it!""
-Grindwork? Shouldn't have been a grind, Cryptic made it that way.
"ADSDestroyer comes out without the additional gear the DSD has: "Weh weh! It's not complete! I'm not going to buy it!""
Cryptic shouldn't have made it incomplete, especially considering how bloody expensive they are, considering you have to buy a 3-pack--per faction--to get the set.
"Dyson Science Destroyer becomes a Lobi ship: "Weh weh! You're insulting us by putting this here! How dare you!""
How dare they charge 600 Lobi (30-150 Lockboxes worth of Lobi) to complete a gear set people will have already paid $50-$150 for? Lobi is already an insulting proposition, locking the final piece to what people paid a ton of money for already behind that system makes it much, much worse.
The problem is not any one bit of this, the problem is not the players. The problem is ALL OF THE ABOVE and the extreme greed/arrogance on the part of Cryptic expecting this of paying customers. And the problem is with the decisions, not the people who've been consistently upset with it since the first reveal.
You're saying people have no right to be upset at incomplete sets and insane pricing, but you ignore the fact that nothing they've offered has remedied any of the above complaints--meaning you're expecting people to simply acquiesce and accept what they're given. Basically, "Take it or walk". And you /wonder/ why people are upset?
So what annoys you is that, whether by grind or by paying, you actually have to DO something to get a new ship?
Wow, that's a hell of a sense of entitlement.
You have no bloody clue what "entitlement" means. "Entitled" means "expects something for free/no money/ no effort".
No one that doesn't pay for the C-store ships will be upset they can't get the full sets--and those are paying customers, hence not "entitled". And no one who ground for the ships got it "free" either, they worked for it--so also not "entitled".
Paying customers expecting a complete product are not "entitled". Paying customers asked to pay a ton more to finish their incomplete purchase are justifiably upset.
players get anniversary ship for free.
anniversary ship goes into lobi store after the 25+ day event.
we just got a lobi ship for free, guys. there's no way you could spin that as a bad thing.
600 Lobi (3750-18750 Zen) for a Lvl 40 9-console ship?
No, we didn't get "a lobi ship for free", they stuck a sub-par free placeholder ship holding two pieces of gear into the Lobi store for way too high a cost.
They essentially are charging 300 Lobi for each piece of a "set", but not separately--so that paying customers (who buy the C-store Packs) then also have to buy not one but two consoles for 600 bloody Lobi.
What they did is put the two Grind Ship Items on the Lobi store 600 Lobi for the pair. It's not the same quality as the other Lobi ships, it's not a "Lob ship".
Should have stuck it in the Spire, or made it 400 at max. Or, and here's the kicker, people who fork over $50 for nearly identical ships shouldn't also have to look down a possible $187 in key purchases just to finish the Console Set they just paid for.
The Deflector and Core should come with the C-store ships so future players (who might not have been playing during this Event) don't feel screwed. Most especially, players who plunk down half a C-note on ships expecting a full set of gear with it should not be told "Sorry, you need to open 30-150 Lockboxes, at $1.25 a pop, to complete the set you just paid for".
I like the idea they put it into the lobi store. As future players who joins after the event has a chance for it. And ones like myself who couldn't do the event due to days they offered vs time you can play to get it. So I can get it myself later as well.
I think they should done this with the Ambassador/Kumrag as well from last year. I'm sure other players would like those ships, without doing a huge investment for a "Fleet" ship.
I don't see the fuss about it. I see this being a good thing.
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Will the Dyson Shield, Engines and Deflector still be available has mission rewards for playing a Step Between the Stars?
Will the Dyson vessel that's going into the Lobi store have the Shield, Engines and Deflector pre equipped?
The shields, engine. and deflector will always be able to be obtained from the FE mission. The secondary deflector, warp core, and anniversary ship will be in the lobi store. The anniversary ship will not come with FE mission rewards (shield, engine, deflector), you will need to do the FE for those but those rewards will remain available anytime.
The beef people have is that you need the secondary deflector and warp core to complete a set bonus when combined with the c-store ships and second set bonus when combined with the FE pieces.
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I think the only way any of you people would have been happy was if Cryptic gave you all twelve ships right then and there all decked out in Fleet gear, plus 5000 Zen and, like 10,000 Lobi. And even THEN, you wouldn't be happy!
Actually, O Drama Queen, many of us would have been quite satisfied with the same plan used on the 2nd and 3rd Anniversaries: Run Featured Episode, get free version of cross-faction Anniversary ship, watch people pay for single C-store version with extra console slot and Universal console later.
But PWE chose to go "full complexity" rather than Keeping It Simple, Stupid.
Soooo...
Are we gonna close the Event with a little ship sale?
:P
(Yeah I know, dream on lady...)
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If they do... it will most likely exclude the dyson ships as they usually exclude the most recently released ships.
Yeah I know.
Thing is, I have my eyes on that old ship I've always wanted to captain but never dared to acquire. This is purely for the pleasure of it and I know there are far better (read more powerful) other ships to fly.
So a little ship sale would just be the incentive that I need to get my hands on it.
"Starship captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way. The secret is to give them what they need, not what they want."
- Scotty, to La Forge
The beef people have is that you need the secondary deflector and warp core to complete a set bonus when combined with the c-store ships and second set bonus when combined with the FE pieces.
And that we were explicitally told that the grindaversary would be the only way to obtain the fourth part of the sets. And now once people have been conned into the 15 day grind for a 9 console ship, Cryptic change their mind and try to pretend it was the plan all along.
Cryptic were warned about this sort of problem weeks ago, in the 1000+ post thread on the subject.
The thread that was utterly ignored by Cryptic.
If Cryptic were to start paying heed to the warning voices on the fora, then this sort of thing wouldn't keep happening.
if this is the one u mean then yeah it would be misleading the way i read it NOTE: The C-store ships we mentioned in yesterdays Anniversary Rewards blog come with neither the warp core nor the secondary deflector that are mentioned above. If you are interested in the warp core or the secondary deflector, especially to use them in the two different 4-piece set bonuses available (first with the Anniversary event and the second from the C-store bundles next month), make sure to complete the 4-year anniversary reputation project for each character.
Yes. You are correct. That was a typo, not a math mistake.
But as you can see, my point is that with record breaking luck of getting only 4 lobi per lockbox, you could essentially be paying over 6,000 more zen to get the anniversary ship in the lobi store than the entire 9 dyson ship pack bundle for 10,000 zen.
I doubt anybody would have that bad luck. So take off a few thousand assuming you get more than 4 lobi from some boxes, and you're still looking at paying close to, or still more than, the 9 ship bundle. Whatever the case may be with how many lobi you get per box, you're most likely looking at paying at minimum, more than as single c-store ship.
It's TRIBBLE.
What they could have done is make the anniversary dyson ship a tier 3 spire ship, remove the deflector and warp/singularity core, charge 4-5 ship modules, and place the set equipment in the lobi store each for the same price as other console set equipment.
But no. They want to force you to get the entire anniversary ship just for the set items from the lobi store.
Who in their right mind after buying the c-store ships, which are better than the anniversary ship, would buy it just to get the set items and then discharge a 600 lobi ship that they never wanted?
I'm seeing a lot of 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' posts.
No-one's forcing you to play. No-one says you have to have them. Don't like it, walk away.
Even better idea, since you (and the other whiners) are CLEARLY so much better at running a games company and especially an MMO, then why aren't you?
Any mewling toddler can whine about how they want things their way, but the nearest they ever seem to get is working at BK.
There's complaints, and then there's just being a whiny baby. You don't like their business decisions (and that's what it is) then fine, DON'T PATRONISE THE COMPANY. But I for one am getting a bit tired of you constantly complaining that they're not running their business in the way you want it run.
if this is the one u mean then yeah it would be misleading the way i read it NOTE: The C-store ships we mentioned in yesterdays Anniversary Rewards blog come with neither the warp core nor the secondary deflector that are mentioned above. If you are interested in the warp core or the secondary deflector, especially to use them in the two different 4-piece set bonuses available (first with the Anniversary event and the second from the C-store bundles next month), make sure to complete the 4-year anniversary reputation project for each character.
And its not like they didn't have multiple chances to correct things if it was unintentionally misleading.
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"The Federation is proud to announce that Starfleet and the Ferengi Trade Mission in a joint venture will make their newest Starship available for everybody with enough money" :P
Silliness aside; I do think most ppl seriously considering all Dyson Ships from the c-store will be glad that they don't have to pay 15k for 3 seperate bundles. Its not like the price was artifically inflated for the single ship versions on which the bundle prices are based.
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No, what would have made me happy was Cryptic designing this whole debacle in a sensible way, as opposed to the ill thought through, ill considered and wholly ill begotten mess we did get.
This is all cryptic not thinking things through, not listening to the early warnings and not acknowledging errors.
I'll laugh, too, since I did the event. See, it took me approximately one hour per character to chase those mini Qs 15 times, and I'll bet that if the Lobi version is in a box that can be sold, it will cost more EC than I could make in an hour of play. Your mileage may vary.
If you really think that 15 x 1125 = 1685, then I suggest you pay more attention in maths class.
15 x 10 key packs (at 1,125 Zen per 10-key pack) would cost you 16,875 Zen.
If that happened, people would complain that they had to buy enough ship slots to put all the ships in.
Yes. You are correct. That was a typo, not a math mistake.
But as you can see, my point is that with record breaking luck of getting only 4 lobi per lockbox, you could essentially be paying over 6,000 more zen to get the anniversary ship in the lobi store than the entire 9 dyson ship pack bundle for 10,000 zen.
I doubt anybody would have that bad luck. So take off a few thousand assuming you get more than 4 lobi from some boxes, and you're still looking at paying close to, or still more than, the 9 ship bundle. Whatever the case may be with how many lobi you get per box, you're most likely looking at paying at minimum, more than as single c-store ship.
It's TRIBBLE.
What they could have done is make the anniversary dyson ship a tier 3 spire ship, remove the deflector and warp/singularity core, charge 4-5 ship modules, and place the set equipment in the lobi store each for the same price as other console set equipment.
But no. They want to force you to get the entire anniversary ship just for the set items from the lobi store.
Who in their right mind after buying the c-store ships, which are better than the anniversary ship, would buy it just to get the set items and then discharge a 600 lobi ship that they never wanted?
Wrong.
No-one here is complaining about the advanced DSD's being released in the C-Store, nor is anyone suggesting that Cryptic shoudn't be allowed to make money off these ships. The issue at hand is that a lot of players - myself included - feel somewhat insulted by the whole affair. What was supposed to be a player appreciation event was turned into a huge cash grab, alongside the whole new "grind and pay" model that we're looking at now.
What clearly annoys me - and other people here - is that the original DSD, with it's unique items (which were at one point implied to be exclusive to the Anniversary event) was locked behind an Grindwall and/or optional Paywall, and now it's going to be locked behind a mandatory paywall.
Let me be frank - I flat out refuse to buy any of the ADSDs because they don't include the full set. If Cryptic wants me to drop $100 on these new ships (which by and large, aren't worth it) then they'd better reconsider trying to sell me an incomplete package.
I dont mind paying for ships. I just want the WHOLE ship when I pay for it.
So what annoys you is that, whether by grind or by paying, you actually have to DO something to get a new ship?
Wow, that's a hell of a sense of entitlement.
Not really. I didn't say that I mind grinding OR paying - I do, a bit, but it's part of the game so you learn to live with it. I do mind grinding AND then being expected to pay through my nose.
I didn't assume. It was written clear as day in the dev blog.
They got players to play daily for the Free ship and some money from the players wishing to expand it's capabilities.
Without having to have access to a T5 Fleet!!!!
Putting the ship in the Lobi Store is them just being nice as they could have made all those not wishing to grind wait until next year like they did with the Chel Gret.
Pah. It is not Cryptic being "nice". If they were being nice, they'd have given it away like they did with the Ambassador, Obelisk and Oddy/Bortasqu'. This is just greed. They're compensating for the fact that the nine-pack isn't going to sell very well by forcing you to use Lobi for the sub-par version instead.
Besides, if that's what you like, then why not ask them to put the Breen ships into the Lobi store so that we can do away with the whole "grind when we tell you to grind" mentality?
So what you're saying is give us a bare bones scaled down destroyer for anniversary free of grind. This is how it worked in previous years. You would get the base version of the ship and no gear. They then would place the warp core and secondary deflector in the lobi store like other special release ships for 400 lobi. They told us the grind happened because these ships had unique stuff and abilities and they do.
I personally prefer my two minute grind for 15 days to buying gear separately.
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Same here.
Or rephrase it as 600 lobi for 2 pieces of gear (because who is going to actually use the ship after paying for the gear?) and it's even more outrageous. Why not 400 to match all of the other space gear prices? (Which I also think is still an insane price but that's another thread entirely.) Maybe throw in another 50 for the hull.
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No I'm not saying that and neither is Cryptic. The original plan was you had to participate in the anniversary event to get the ship. This is the same for all the previous event ships. Cryptic also gives away other ships and gear and if you aren't here to get it you miss out.
But wait, there's more... just like all previous event ships you will be able to earn this ship next year for new people or new characters.
There still more... As a special benefit with this ship because some of you may not want to wait until next years event we will make this ship and its unique gear available in the lobi store for just 600 lobi that's 200 less than any other lobi ship.
It could be worse... you could have to wait until next year or worse... its never offered again. I think what we have here is a bunch of people who thought they would go to the fleet store and buy this ship with fleet credits and get the shiney gear with it. Fleet ships of course dont come with the cool gear though anyways. Only bare bones version of previous ships were sold in the fleet stores
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Incorrect. The ways to make "people happy" were many, and offered in the 50+ pages of discussion when this was first announced:
1) Make 9-slot Anni ship one-and-done, like every Anni ship in the past
2) If it's going to be a grind ship, make it grind-ship quality (10-console) like the Plesh Brek, Chel Gret, or Risian Corvette
3) Offer the Core/Deflector2 in the C-store versions of the ship, so paying customers don't also have to grind
4) Don't make a pack for each faction.
5) Don't require a 3-pack purchase for the full Set
6) Don't do any or all of the above at once.
Additional ways this could not stink:
-Make the DSD 400 Lobi, and each Console 100 Lobi
-Offer the Consoles for sale in the Spire for Fleet Credits
-Offer the 9-console ship in the Spire for a Fleet Ship Module
-Offer the DSD as a C-store, account-wide purchase
-Put the Deflector (to finish the C-store set) on the C-store ships, so they're not incomplete.
-Put the Core as a single Fleet/Lobi purchase.
You're completely ignoring the fact that Cryptic intentionally gimped each part of the equation:
"Dyson Science Destroyer comes out with a bit of grindwork: "Weh weh! I want it NAO! I'm not going to play it!""
-Grindwork? Shouldn't have been a grind, Cryptic made it that way.
"ADSDestroyer comes out without the additional gear the DSD has: "Weh weh! It's not complete! I'm not going to buy it!""
Cryptic shouldn't have made it incomplete, especially considering how bloody expensive they are, considering you have to buy a 3-pack--per faction--to get the set.
"Dyson Science Destroyer becomes a Lobi ship: "Weh weh! You're insulting us by putting this here! How dare you!""
How dare they charge 600 Lobi (30-150 Lockboxes worth of Lobi) to complete a gear set people will have already paid $50-$150 for? Lobi is already an insulting proposition, locking the final piece to what people paid a ton of money for already behind that system makes it much, much worse.
The problem is not any one bit of this, the problem is not the players. The problem is ALL OF THE ABOVE and the extreme greed/arrogance on the part of Cryptic expecting this of paying customers. And the problem is with the decisions, not the people who've been consistently upset with it since the first reveal.
You're saying people have no right to be upset at incomplete sets and insane pricing, but you ignore the fact that nothing they've offered has remedied any of the above complaints--meaning you're expecting people to simply acquiesce and accept what they're given. Basically, "Take it or walk". And you /wonder/ why people are upset?
You have no bloody clue what "entitlement" means. "Entitled" means "expects something for free/no money/ no effort".
No one that doesn't pay for the C-store ships will be upset they can't get the full sets--and those are paying customers, hence not "entitled". And no one who ground for the ships got it "free" either, they worked for it--so also not "entitled".
Paying customers expecting a complete product are not "entitled". Paying customers asked to pay a ton more to finish their incomplete purchase are justifiably upset.
600 Lobi (3750-18750 Zen) for a Lvl 40 9-console ship?
No, we didn't get "a lobi ship for free", they stuck a sub-par free placeholder ship holding two pieces of gear into the Lobi store for way too high a cost.
They essentially are charging 300 Lobi for each piece of a "set", but not separately--so that paying customers (who buy the C-store Packs) then also have to buy not one but two consoles for 600 bloody Lobi.
What they did is put the two Grind Ship Items on the Lobi store 600 Lobi for the pair. It's not the same quality as the other Lobi ships, it's not a "Lob ship".
Should have stuck it in the Spire, or made it 400 at max. Or, and here's the kicker, people who fork over $50 for nearly identical ships shouldn't also have to look down a possible $187 in key purchases just to finish the Console Set they just paid for.
The Deflector and Core should come with the C-store ships so future players (who might not have been playing during this Event) don't feel screwed. Most especially, players who plunk down half a C-note on ships expecting a full set of gear with it should not be told "Sorry, you need to open 30-150 Lockboxes, at $1.25 a pop, to complete the set you just paid for".
I think they should done this with the Ambassador/Kumrag as well from last year. I'm sure other players would like those ships, without doing a huge investment for a "Fleet" ship.
I don't see the fuss about it. I see this being a good thing.
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Will the Dyson Shield, Engines and Deflector still be available has mission rewards for playing a Step Between the Stars?
Will the Dyson vessel that's going into the Lobi store have the Shield, Engines and Deflector pre equipped?
The shields, engine. and deflector will always be able to be obtained from the FE mission. The secondary deflector, warp core, and anniversary ship will be in the lobi store. The anniversary ship will not come with FE mission rewards (shield, engine, deflector), you will need to do the FE for those but those rewards will remain available anytime.
The beef people have is that you need the secondary deflector and warp core to complete a set bonus when combined with the c-store ships and second set bonus when combined with the FE pieces.
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Actually, O Drama Queen, many of us would have been quite satisfied with the same plan used on the 2nd and 3rd Anniversaries: Run Featured Episode, get free version of cross-faction Anniversary ship, watch people pay for single C-store version with extra console slot and Universal console later.
But PWE chose to go "full complexity" rather than Keeping It Simple, Stupid.
Are we gonna close the Event with a little ship sale?
:P
(Yeah I know, dream on lady...)
- Scotty, to La Forge
If they do... it will most likely exclude the dyson ships as they usually exclude the most recently released ships.
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Yeah I know.
Thing is, I have my eyes on that old ship I've always wanted to captain but never dared to acquire. This is purely for the pleasure of it and I know there are far better (read more powerful) other ships to fly.
So a little ship sale would just be the incentive that I need to get my hands on it.
- Scotty, to La Forge
And that we were explicitally told that the grindaversary would be the only way to obtain the fourth part of the sets. And now once people have been conned into the 15 day grind for a 9 console ship, Cryptic change their mind and try to pretend it was the plan all along.
Cryptic were warned about this sort of problem weeks ago, in the 1000+ post thread on the subject.
The thread that was utterly ignored by Cryptic.
If Cryptic were to start paying heed to the warning voices on the fora, then this sort of thing wouldn't keep happening.
NOTE: The C-store ships we mentioned in yesterdays Anniversary Rewards blog come with neither the warp core nor the secondary deflector that are mentioned above. If you are interested in the warp core or the secondary deflector, especially to use them in the two different 4-piece set bonuses available (first with the Anniversary event and the second from the C-store bundles next month), make sure to complete the 4-year anniversary reputation project for each character.
I'm seeing a lot of 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' posts.
No-one's forcing you to play. No-one says you have to have them. Don't like it, walk away.
Even better idea, since you (and the other whiners) are CLEARLY so much better at running a games company and especially an MMO, then why aren't you?
Any mewling toddler can whine about how they want things their way, but the nearest they ever seem to get is working at BK.
There's complaints, and then there's just being a whiny baby. You don't like their business decisions (and that's what it is) then fine, DON'T PATRONISE THE COMPANY. But I for one am getting a bit tired of you constantly complaining that they're not running their business in the way you want it run.
And its not like they didn't have multiple chances to correct things if it was unintentionally misleading.