But this way is reasonably fair to the folks who decided to grind it out.
I'm sorry, but how?
We were all told grind for the ship that has the defelctor and the warp core, you'll not have another chance until next year.
After people have, in many cases, reluctently chased miniQs for two weeks, they are told by Cryptic "oh well, we've made it a lobi ship. You didnt have to grind after all"
It's the colossal mess that was the grindaversary coming home to roost.
All these issues were pointed out weeks ago, in some cases before the damn event even started.
So, how is this in any shape or form fair to those who did 15 days of a mind numbing mini game because they were told it would be the only way to get the kit?
trying to get a 4th character with the anni ship, however im several days short when the daily disappears after the 27th. i also do not think i have the time to grind dilthium up several characters a day to make up the difference, so its likely i will have to wait until the next qmendation weekend comes along to finish it off.
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So, how is this in any shape or form fair to those who did 15 days of a mind numbing mini game because they were told it would be the only way to get the kit?
Oh, one could so easily make a joke about it must be a small mind if it was numbed from spending 2-3 minutes a day with the q's...a total of 30-45 minutes spread out over a greater than two week period. But the mods would probably frown on somebody making such a joke, so I won't make it.
On the other hand, one could look at the 4-5 Lobi average per Lockbox that exists, meaning that a 600 Lobi boat would likely be 120-150 Keys...and one can go through and figure out either the EC or Zen cost of those, reducing that by the potential value (lol) of anything received from those Lockboxes while trying to accumulate the Lobi...
...and say, dayum...I'm glad I spent those 2-3 minutes that I might have otherwise spent ignoring folks for making Gorn jokes chasing lil' q's around instead.
...and say, dayum...yeah, I'm glad they made folks that didn't do it have to shell out that much for it instead of it being cheap like Obelisk from the Tier 1 Spire (20k FC, 1 FSP, 2 FSM).
Or one could leave themselves open to jokes that folks obviously would not make...not wanting to raise the ire of the moderators in any fashion.
Oh, one could so easily make a joke about it must be a small mind if it was numbed from spending 2-3 minutes a day with the q's...a total of 30-45 minutes spread out over a greater than two week period. But the mods would probably frown on somebody making such a joke, so I won't make it.
On the other hand, one could look at the 4-5 Lobi average per Lockbox that exists, meaning that a 600 Lobi boat would likely be 120-150 Keys...and one can go through and figure out either the EC or Zen cost of those, reducing that by the potential value (lol) of anything received from those Lockboxes while trying to accumulate the Lobi...
...and say, dayum...I'm glad I spent those 2-3 minutes that I might have otherwise spent ignoring folks for making Gorn jokes chasing lil' q's around instead.
...and say, dayum...yeah, I'm glad they made folks that didn't do it have to shell out that much for it instead of it being cheap like Obelisk from the Tier 1 Spire (20k FC, 1 FSP, 2 FSM).
Or one could leave themselves open to jokes that folks obviously would not make...not wanting to raise the ire of the moderators in any fashion.
Mmmmmm, classy.
Of course, the point about how cryptic effectively lied about the availability of the warp core and deflector seems to have slipped your gimlet eye.
Being able to buy this ship with Lobi is not new, guys. Since day 1 of the Anniversary Event you've been able to purchase Qmendation packages with Lobi to fill your Event Reputation Anniversary Ship Project. The packages cost 5 Lobi and give between 10 and 20 Qmendations each.
At this price, it would cost between 250 and 500 Lobi to buy the ship outright, during the Anniversary Event. If you played "Step Between Stars" for the one-time prize of 400 Qmendations, that price would be reduced to 150-300 Lobi. And that price was further reduced by 10-20 Lobi each time you earned your daily Qmendations from Q's daily missions.
The 600 Lobi price is strictly for players that did not participate in the Anniversary Event festivities, but would still like to obtain the ship for the set pieces necessary to enjoy full set bonuses should they decide to purchase the C-Store versions of these vessels.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Being able to buy this ship with Lobi is not new, guys. Since day 1 of the Anniversary Event you've been able to purchase Qmendation packages with Lobi to fill your Event Reputation Anniversary Ship Project. The packages cost 5 Lobi and give between 10 and 20 Qmendations each.
At this price, it would cost between 250 and 500 Lobi to buy the ship outright, during the Anniversary Event. If you played "Step Between Stars" for the one-time prize of 400 Qmendations, that price would be reduced to 150-300 Lobi. And that price was further reduced by 10-20 Lobi each time you earned your daily Qmendations from Q's daily missions.
The 600 Lobi price is strictly for players that did not participate in the Anniversary Event festivities, but would still like to obtain the ship for the set pieces necessary to enjoy full set bonuses should they decide to purchase the C-Store versions of these vessels.
Oh come now.
Buying the ship with lobi during the event was always understood.
Putting the ship in the lobi store outside of the event is contrary to what we were told about the availability of the four piece sets.
Cryptic misled people into a now needless 15 day grind.
How do you know this wasn't planned well in advance, namely that this was supposed to happen anyway? Clearly, that seems to be the case, instead of a perceived fault with the 9-pack.
Oh, I know it was planned way in advance. But that being said, this move - splitting the full Dyson set between a $100 C-Store bundle and a 600 Lobi per-character unlock - is really going to annoy people, and turn them away from buying the nine-pack. Not just the decision itself, but the principle of Grind&Pay&Pay.
Sure, some people will buy them. But I suspect that due to the recent decisions, most won't.
Being able to buy this ship with Lobi is not new, guys. Since day 1 of the Anniversary Event you've been able to purchase Qmendation packages with Lobi to fill your Event Reputation Anniversary Ship Project. The packages cost 5 Lobi and give between 10 and 20 Qmendations each.
At this price, it would cost between 250 and 500 Lobi to buy the ship outright, during the Anniversary Event. If you played "Step Between Stars" for the one-time prize of 400 Qmendations, that price would be reduced to 150-300 Lobi. And that price was further reduced by 10-20 Lobi each time you earned your daily Qmendations from Q's daily missions.
The 600 Lobi price is strictly for players that did not participate in the Anniversary Event festivities, but would still like to obtain the ship for the set pieces necessary to enjoy full set bonuses should they decide to purchase the C-Store versions of these vessels.
I still don't get why this one goes into the Lobi store and the other Anniversary ships went into the Fleet Store? If that were the case, I could be convinced to purchase not only the Anniversary version but more inclined to purchase the C-Store ones too. 200,000 FC's for a per-charcter unlock? Sure, i'd pay that. $100 + however much lobi it takes to cover any characters I might want the full set on? No dice.
For another thing, most people will want the Deflector and the Warp/Sing Core if they buy the C-Store pack. That should make the ship 400 Lobi tops, to cover the price of Lobi space gear. Hell, why not put those into the Lobi store for 200 Lobi each, and the base ship in the fleet store? Because it's useless to people buying it for the set bonus.
I'm not going to be the only one feeling like this, for sure.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
They didn't mislead you into anything. You can get the ship for free by the 27th. Or you can get it partially free and buy off the rest buy then. Or buy it outright after that.
The continued availability of the ship as a Lobi purchase is obviously because it comes with pieces of two different sets that aren't obtainable any other way.
What if you make a new character a year from now, and you want to use those sets? Would you prefer the two pieces that come with this ship be simply unavailable?
I'd prefer the anniversary ships be added to the fleet shipyard, unlocked by the Spire. And I guess we could quibble over the price but, this leaving this ship in one store or another seems like a good idea to me.
Would you prefer the two pieces that come with this ship be simply unavailable?
Given that they want in the ball park $100 for all nine ships together, i'd prefer it if they'd not be so tight and throw the Core into a Step Between Stars and the Deflector into any of the C-Store versions.
Might win them some goodwill because right now, they're haemorrhaging much of this community's goodwill.
Also, if it goes into the fleet store, there's no quibbling over price - it's 200k FC. It's not fleet-level, so it's got no right costing Modules.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
Must say, I'm rather upset it's going into the Lobi store. Feel very jipped after grinding for it on all 14 of my characters during the event because of this quote from the anniversary event info;
The ship sets feel like less of a special reward now, knowing anybody who's willing to dump enough money on lock boxes can get them.
Shh, don't say that! If someone hears you you'll be inundated with a barrage of comments about the "special deflector" which can "only be obtained from this 'FREE with several weeks of daily grinds' ship". It's like one of those deals where you send in NPC codes to get some cracker jack prize only with less value.
Being able to buy this ship with Lobi is not new, guys. Since day 1 of the Anniversary Event you've been able to purchase Qmendation packages with Lobi to fill your Event Reputation Anniversary Ship Project. The packages cost 5 Lobi and give between 10 and 20 Qmendations each.
At this price, it would cost between 250 and 500 Lobi to buy the ship outright, during the Anniversary Event. If you played "Step Between Stars" for the one-time prize of 400 Qmendations, that price would be reduced to 150-300 Lobi. And that price was further reduced by 10-20 Lobi each time you earned your daily Qmendations from Q's daily missions.
The 600 Lobi price is strictly for players that did not participate in the Anniversary Event festivities, but would still like to obtain the ship for the set pieces necessary to enjoy full set bonuses should they decide to purchase the C-Store versions of these vessels.
Bullcrap!
Let's see here: minimum amount of lobi per lockbox = 4
So.....At most you would need to open 150 lockboxes. That would require fifteen 10 key packs at 1,125 zen each. So you're looking at the most 1,685 Zen just to get the secondary deflector and warp/singularity core. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
That's if you have the absolute worst luck and only get the minimum 4 lobi crystals from each and every lockbox.
But considering that some boxes will most likely give you a few more lobi here and there, I'm calculating at least 10,000 Zen for the anniversary ship in the lobi store.
You expect people to pay 10,000 zen for a 9 ship pack and probably about that amount, at least, in keys just for the set equipment?? :mad:
You could have made it a tier 3 fleet spire..........oh wait. Ya gotta keep with tradition and not allow ANY type of fleet ship to come with special equipment right? If you want the special equipment you gotta get the c-store version first for certain ships. :mad:
Despite the flaws, 2013 was a good year for the game, in my opinion. But so far 2014 is looking more and more like a grinding TRIBBLE job. I nearly went insane doing party patrol 11 times a day to get the ship on all characters. Now if I want it for any characters I create after the event ends, I gotta pay out the TRIBBLE for it. Thanks a lot. I bought lifetime sub 3 months ago when it was on sale last and I'm starting to regret that decision.
I will laugh so hard if the Lobi version is not bound and will be purchasable via the exchange. All those people who chased mini Qs ... now they could just get it truly for free for EC... hahaha.
{When you (PWE/Devs) worked out the details and finalised the Anniversary event, why could you not tell us the whole story, was it necessary to let out the full story like this?
My personal view is that if I had the FULL set of information from the beginning, I would have played very differently. Between the cost of zen ships and now the news of the Anni ships being made available after the event for lobi, I probably would have ground out the ship/eq on at least two more toons, rather than just my Frommie-Sci. So I'll spend some zen on the Romulan ships, but my Fed and KDF toons will go without.
So any chance that any upcoming events come complete with FULL details, so that I(/we?) can make an informed decision?}
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Oh and as a bonus...instead of grind and pay it will now be lobi ship and a Cstore bundle to get a fully functioning C-store ship. If it had always been like this that would be one thing, I could have moved on to another game long before then.
Very much dampened my enthusiasm for a game I was playing regularly. Hourly events gone, Grind ships tied to C-store ships, Aniversary events that try to make you log in every day to repeat something that offers virtually no fun for players.
I'm about tapped out on patience and time. I have a RL, a job, etc. The idea that the game now caters only to those who can spend hours on a nightly and regular basis on the computer loses people like me who is often willing to do that...but not willing when it becomes required. I have given Cryptic quite a bit of real cash and don't regret it...but I am no longer getting the fun level I am paying for. The biggest frustration is the lack of respect for my time. If I buy a ship, I pay money so I can spend less time grinding and more time playing. Cryptic, there is a difference.
I am not trying to be a jerk, but just trying to relate my honest feelings on the matter. That and I hope it is one small contribution to seeing a change on such things vs the trend being set with this most recent event and Cstore offering. Putting it in the Lobi store vs something like spire 1 with the obelisk is just insult to injury.
If I sound overly upset its because I love Star Trek and have been, for the most part, really enjoying STO.
I will laugh so hard if the Lobi version is not bound and will be purchasable via the exchange. All those people who chased mini Qs ... now they could just get it truly for free for EC... hahaha.
I did the grind thing on 7 characters to preserve the option of perhaps taking the C-store plunge (prior to the details coming out of course). It would not bother me in the least if the grind ship were available for a semi reasonable price on the exchange.
Of course, the perfect solution would be to put the core and deflector on the Cstore ship and be done with it. Then, I'd have skipped the Q thing and simply given them my money. Now that I've done it on the heels of the winter thing, I feel we are getting a raw deal here...I think I just have to chill.
Being able to buy this ship with Lobi is not new, guys. Since day 1 of the Anniversary Event you've been able to purchase Qmendation packages with Lobi to fill your Event Reputation Anniversary Ship Project. The packages cost 5 Lobi and give between 10 and 20 Qmendations each.
At this price, it would cost between 250 and 500 Lobi to buy the ship outright, during the Anniversary Event. If you played "Step Between Stars" for the one-time prize of 400 Qmendations, that price would be reduced to 150-300 Lobi. And that price was further reduced by 10-20 Lobi each time you earned your daily Qmendations from Q's daily missions.
The 600 Lobi price is strictly for players that did not participate in the Anniversary Event festivities, but would still like to obtain the ship for the set pieces necessary to enjoy full set bonuses should they decide to purchase the C-Store versions of these vessels.
Don't advertise something as 'only available during the anniversary' then claim, this is nothing new.
Let's be honest, the reason you've decided to do this is because you're worried the 9 pack bundle wont sell enough without the set bonus incentive.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
{When you (PWE/Devs) worked out the details and finalised the Anniversary event, why could you not tell us the whole story, was it necessary to let out the full story like this?
My personal view is that if I had the FULL set of information from the beginning, I would have played very differently. Between the cost of zen ships and now the news of the Anni ships being made available after the event for lobi, I probably would have ground out the ship/eq on at least two more toons, rather than just my Frommie-Sci. So I'll spend some zen on the Romulan ships, but my Fed and KDF toons will go without.
So any chance that any upcoming events come complete with FULL details, so that I(/we?) can make an informed decision?}
Well.........When they announced the upcoming anniversary event, they said they wanted to be "transparent" and told us before the event even started that there was going to be a 3 pack dyson ship bundle for each faction added to the c-store at the end of February.
But they never mentioned anything about the free dyson ship going into the lobi store after the event ended.
I'm guessing it's because there were several threads of pissed off players because Cryptic said "if you want the secondary deflector and warp core, you have to get it from the anniversary ship", which lead some to speculate and claim that in order for them to be obtainable again, we would have to wait a whole year to get them.
The c-store ships have been advertised as having a 4 piece set, which includes the secondary deflector. This whole thing is just another way for them to monetize EVERYTHING!
They use to just give us free ships during special events. Now they're headed for giving them to us for free, but those who didn't get them in time will have to take out a second mortgage to get them instead of waiting for the event to return.
You know... Cryptic can't win with you all. So they changed their mind and are now letting you get the ship later via lobi, probably a result of a lot the same people whining about not having an alternative to get it.
It's not cheap that way at approx 150 keys per character so its not diluting the work you did to get it if some of you did do the work. I did it on 8 characters for about 1/2 hour a day and I have no problem with it in the lobi store. $300 million energy credit value.
For those people who say well it should have been put into the fleet stores... well if the ship didn't come with any gear then I would agree, but how many of you would be happy getting this anniversary ship in fleet store like others minus the warp core and deflector? thought so. No fleet store ships come with any of the special gear. I don't think using fleet credits is fair to those put the work into getting the ship either.
For the people who say I shouldn't have to spend lobi for a new character in the future... Well you had a choices and still do. You can wait until next year's event or you can buy some character slots like I did and create new characters now. I planned ahead and made three new sci toons that level 12 so I could do the Q's and worry about leveling them up later.
I guess in the end the answer is to not make it available at all so all your future characters and current ones that ran out of time don't have it. I suppose that would make everyone happy. Maybe they should have put the bare bones ship without gear in the fleet store and made you pay for that that way and then put the equipment as a two piece set for 400 lobi in the lobi store and have you buy it separately after owning the fleet ship. Afterall, why would it be fair for you to just get the gear for the c-store ships when the rest of us had to obtain the anniversary ship as well to get the gear.
In the end, they did everyone a favor both those who did the grind and those who didn't. They could have given us the ship with nothing like in previous years and made you buy the extra gear via lobi to begin with but they didn't. They could make everyone who didn't get it in time wait until next year, but they listened and came up with an alternative via the lobi store. Watch what you ask for because next year you just may find the opposite true.
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Don't advertise something as 'only available during the anniversary' then claim, this is nothing new.
Let's be honest, the reason you've decided to do this is because you're worried the 9 pack bundle wont sell enough without the set bonus incentive.
Don't assume something such as this, because more often than not, you'll be completely wrong. The Lobi store FREE version will be going in the Lobi store, the C-store versions are the Advanced Dyson Science Destroyers. As it has been stated, the ship from the Lobi store is only for those who didn't bother with the "grind" of doing it during the event.
Must say, I'm rather upset it's going into the Lobi store. Feel very jipped after grinding for it on all 14 of my characters during the event because of this quote from the anniversary event info;
The ship sets feel like less of a special reward now, knowing anybody who's willing to dump enough money on lock boxes can get them.
Now about the fact that you got it for free? You didn't have to spend a penny/pence/rupee/etc.
Good riddance, won't miss it. Tim Russ voicing Tuvok was nice but that and everything else was ruined by Q and his boring game and Qmendation grind.
Aye..shame of all this is...they did a GREAT job on the Featured Episode. I loved that there was some variety built in based on choices you made so even if you had to run it multiple times, there was something new to see or at least a change from the last time you ran it. I very much enjoyed it and do encourage Cryptic to give us more of that kind of variable choice content.
A little of that variety in the stfs might be in order too...have a few different variations on it, perhaps with something really rare and bizzare happening here and there?
I hope they dont let a very good FE effort get overlooked in all the issues with the event and dyson ship. More like the FE plz. The rest of this just should never happen again.
The anniversary was bitter sweet. On the one hand you had Tim Russ and a good FEE mission although it did not need a to be continued at the end that did not need to be said. Then you had the worst mini game and worst grind in the history of events. I'm sorry but at least with the winter event you had a race where you could always try and beat your time by a couple of seconds or so. But this was just a waste sometimes the Q parcels showed q going into one of them and when you pick that one turned out he as in a different one, half time you had to guess. The only one I really liked doing was catching them but also that was bugged with the mini Q escaping before his bar was full.
My advice Cryptic on a anniversary release a free ship by all means do a C store version with all the bells and whistles on but this has made me reconsider doing any other anniversary event because the grind in this game is ridiculous
Rep Grind
Fleet mark Grind
Dilithium grind
event grind
I know grinding is a part of MMO's but this is a joke
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You know... Cryptic can't win with you all. So they changed their mind and are now letting you get the ship later via lobi, probably a result of a lot the same people whining about not having an alternative to get it.
It's not cheap that way at approx 150 keys per character so its not diluting the work you did to get it if some of you did do the work. I did it on 8 characters for about 1/2 hour a day and I have no problem with it in the lobi store. $300 million energy credit value.
For those people who say well it should have been put into the fleet stores... well if the ship didn't come with any gear then I would agree, but how many of you would be happy getting this anniversary ship in fleet store like others minus the warp core and deflector? thought so. No fleet store ships come with any of the special gear. I don't think using fleet credits is fair to those put the work into getting the ship either.
For the people who say I shouldn't have to spend lobi for a new character in the future... Well you had a choices and still do. You can wait until next year's event or you can buy some character slots like I did and create new characters now. I planned ahead and made three new sci toons that level 12 so I could do the Q's and worry about leveling them up later.
I guess in the end the answer is to not make it available at all so all your future characters and current ones that ran out of time don't have it. I suppose that would make everyone happy. Maybe they should have put the bare bones ship without gear in the fleet store and made you pay for that that way and then put the equipment as a two piece set for 400 lobi in the lobi store and have you buy it separately after owning the fleet ship. Afterall, why would it be fair for you to just get the gear for the c-store ships when the rest of us had to obtain the anniversary ship as well to get the gear.
In the end, they did everyone a favor both those who did the grind and those who didn't. They could have given us the ship with nothing like in previous years and made you buy the extra gear via lobi to begin with but they didn't. They could make everyone who didn't get it in time wait until next year, but they listened and came up with an alternative via the lobi store. Watch what you ask for because next year you just may find the opposite true.
Oh? "It's your fault you didn't get the ship for free during the event".
Try telling that to players who are brand new to the game 6 months from now. You gonna tell them it's their fault they didn't start playing soon enough?
This isn't about the anniversary ship going into the lobi store. It's about the god damn secondary deflector and warp/singularity core being locked behind a 600 lobi purchase, for our future characters created after the event, and new players to the game that come along later.
Dyson ship 9 pack bundle costs 10,000 zen. It's going to cost at least that much zen, or even a lot more, to get keys so you can get enough lobi to get the anniversary ship for ONE character. You're looking at at least $100 additional to complete the full set that the c-store ships are advertised and marketed to use.
I haven't opened lockboxes in months because of the ****ty amount of lobi crystals I get, and all the friggen doff packs. The last boxes I opened was 30 tal'shiar and I was going for the plasmonic leech console. Well I didn't get it. I got 1 tal'shiar command code (a COMMON item), a couple bonus pools, and all the rest COMMON duty officer packs.
I only bought 10 key packs with zen I payed real money for. 1,125 zen per pack. So I payed $33.75 and ended up with less than 200 lobi. If I was going for an 800 lobi ship, that wasn't even 1/4 of what I needed. So it would cost me over $100 for it. I will never again open lockboxes for any reason unless things change.
This was Cryptic royally TRIBBLE us over big time. First I saw claims that in order to get the set items after the event, we would have to wait until next year's anniversary. That might have been true, but due to the outrage over this, they decided "fine we'll let them have it, but they're gonna pay big time for it". They did this just to spite us for not wanting to wait a year for it because "it's your own TRIBBLE fault you didn't get it when you should have".
Dyson Science Destroyer comes out with a bit of grindwork: "Weh weh! I want it NAO! I'm not going to play it!"
Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer comes out without the additional gear the DSD has: "Weh weh! It's not complete! I'm not going to buy it!"
Dyson Science Destroyer becomes a Lobi ship: "Weh weh! You're insulting us by putting this here! How dare you!"
I think the only way any of you people would have been happy was if Cryptic gave you all twelve ships right then and there all decked out in Fleet gear, plus 5000 Zen and, like 10,000 Lobi. And even THEN, you wouldn't be happy!
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I'm sorry, but how?
We were all told grind for the ship that has the defelctor and the warp core, you'll not have another chance until next year.
After people have, in many cases, reluctently chased miniQs for two weeks, they are told by Cryptic "oh well, we've made it a lobi ship. You didnt have to grind after all"
It's the colossal mess that was the grindaversary coming home to roost.
All these issues were pointed out weeks ago, in some cases before the damn event even started.
So, how is this in any shape or form fair to those who did 15 days of a mind numbing mini game because they were told it would be the only way to get the kit?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Oh, one could so easily make a joke about it must be a small mind if it was numbed from spending 2-3 minutes a day with the q's...a total of 30-45 minutes spread out over a greater than two week period. But the mods would probably frown on somebody making such a joke, so I won't make it.
On the other hand, one could look at the 4-5 Lobi average per Lockbox that exists, meaning that a 600 Lobi boat would likely be 120-150 Keys...and one can go through and figure out either the EC or Zen cost of those, reducing that by the potential value (lol) of anything received from those Lockboxes while trying to accumulate the Lobi...
...and say, dayum...I'm glad I spent those 2-3 minutes that I might have otherwise spent ignoring folks for making Gorn jokes chasing lil' q's around instead.
...and say, dayum...yeah, I'm glad they made folks that didn't do it have to shell out that much for it instead of it being cheap like Obelisk from the Tier 1 Spire (20k FC, 1 FSP, 2 FSM).
Or one could leave themselves open to jokes that folks obviously would not make...not wanting to raise the ire of the moderators in any fashion.
Mmmmmm, classy.
Of course, the point about how cryptic effectively lied about the availability of the warp core and deflector seems to have slipped your gimlet eye.
At this price, it would cost between 250 and 500 Lobi to buy the ship outright, during the Anniversary Event. If you played "Step Between Stars" for the one-time prize of 400 Qmendations, that price would be reduced to 150-300 Lobi. And that price was further reduced by 10-20 Lobi each time you earned your daily Qmendations from Q's daily missions.
The 600 Lobi price is strictly for players that did not participate in the Anniversary Event festivities, but would still like to obtain the ship for the set pieces necessary to enjoy full set bonuses should they decide to purchase the C-Store versions of these vessels.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Oh come now.
Buying the ship with lobi during the event was always understood.
Putting the ship in the lobi store outside of the event is contrary to what we were told about the availability of the four piece sets.
Cryptic misled people into a now needless 15 day grind.
For shame.
Oh, I know it was planned way in advance. But that being said, this move - splitting the full Dyson set between a $100 C-Store bundle and a 600 Lobi per-character unlock - is really going to annoy people, and turn them away from buying the nine-pack. Not just the decision itself, but the principle of Grind&Pay&Pay.
Sure, some people will buy them. But I suspect that due to the recent decisions, most won't.
I still don't get why this one goes into the Lobi store and the other Anniversary ships went into the Fleet Store? If that were the case, I could be convinced to purchase not only the Anniversary version but more inclined to purchase the C-Store ones too. 200,000 FC's for a per-charcter unlock? Sure, i'd pay that. $100 + however much lobi it takes to cover any characters I might want the full set on? No dice.
For another thing, most people will want the Deflector and the Warp/Sing Core if they buy the C-Store pack. That should make the ship 400 Lobi tops, to cover the price of Lobi space gear. Hell, why not put those into the Lobi store for 200 Lobi each, and the base ship in the fleet store? Because it's useless to people buying it for the set bonus.
I'm not going to be the only one feeling like this, for sure.
The continued availability of the ship as a Lobi purchase is obviously because it comes with pieces of two different sets that aren't obtainable any other way.
What if you make a new character a year from now, and you want to use those sets? Would you prefer the two pieces that come with this ship be simply unavailable?
I'd prefer the anniversary ships be added to the fleet shipyard, unlocked by the Spire. And I guess we could quibble over the price but, this leaving this ship in one store or another seems like a good idea to me.
Given that they want in the ball park $100 for all nine ships together, i'd prefer it if they'd not be so tight and throw the Core into a Step Between Stars and the Deflector into any of the C-Store versions.
Might win them some goodwill because right now, they're haemorrhaging much of this community's goodwill.
Also, if it goes into the fleet store, there's no quibbling over price - it's 200k FC. It's not fleet-level, so it's got no right costing Modules.
Shh, don't say that! If someone hears you you'll be inundated with a barrage of comments about the "special deflector" which can "only be obtained from this 'FREE with several weeks of daily grinds' ship". It's like one of those deals where you send in NPC codes to get some cracker jack prize only with less value.
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Bullcrap!
Let's see here: minimum amount of lobi per lockbox = 4
So.....At most you would need to open 150 lockboxes. That would require fifteen 10 key packs at 1,125 zen each. So you're looking at the most 1,685 Zen just to get the secondary deflector and warp/singularity core. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
That's if you have the absolute worst luck and only get the minimum 4 lobi crystals from each and every lockbox.
But considering that some boxes will most likely give you a few more lobi here and there, I'm calculating at least 10,000 Zen for the anniversary ship in the lobi store.
You expect people to pay 10,000 zen for a 9 ship pack and probably about that amount, at least, in keys just for the set equipment?? :mad:
You could have made it a tier 3 fleet spire..........oh wait. Ya gotta keep with tradition and not allow ANY type of fleet ship to come with special equipment right? If you want the special equipment you gotta get the c-store version first for certain ships. :mad:
Despite the flaws, 2013 was a good year for the game, in my opinion. But so far 2014 is looking more and more like a grinding TRIBBLE job. I nearly went insane doing party patrol 11 times a day to get the ship on all characters. Now if I want it for any characters I create after the event ends, I gotta pay out the TRIBBLE for it. Thanks a lot. I bought lifetime sub 3 months ago when it was on sale last and I'm starting to regret that decision.
And good riddance to bad rubbish, says I.
I will laugh so hard if the Lobi version is not bound and will be purchasable via the exchange. All those people who chased mini Qs ... now they could just get it truly for free for EC... hahaha.
{When you (PWE/Devs) worked out the details and finalised the Anniversary event, why could you not tell us the whole story, was it necessary to let out the full story like this?
My personal view is that if I had the FULL set of information from the beginning, I would have played very differently. Between the cost of zen ships and now the news of the Anni ships being made available after the event for lobi, I probably would have ground out the ship/eq on at least two more toons, rather than just my Frommie-Sci. So I'll spend some zen on the Romulan ships, but my Fed and KDF toons will go without.
So any chance that any upcoming events come complete with FULL details, so that I(/we?) can make an informed decision?}
Agreed, let it die.
Oh and as a bonus...instead of grind and pay it will now be lobi ship and a Cstore bundle to get a fully functioning C-store ship. If it had always been like this that would be one thing, I could have moved on to another game long before then.
Very much dampened my enthusiasm for a game I was playing regularly. Hourly events gone, Grind ships tied to C-store ships, Aniversary events that try to make you log in every day to repeat something that offers virtually no fun for players.
I'm about tapped out on patience and time. I have a RL, a job, etc. The idea that the game now caters only to those who can spend hours on a nightly and regular basis on the computer loses people like me who is often willing to do that...but not willing when it becomes required. I have given Cryptic quite a bit of real cash and don't regret it...but I am no longer getting the fun level I am paying for. The biggest frustration is the lack of respect for my time. If I buy a ship, I pay money so I can spend less time grinding and more time playing. Cryptic, there is a difference.
I am not trying to be a jerk, but just trying to relate my honest feelings on the matter. That and I hope it is one small contribution to seeing a change on such things vs the trend being set with this most recent event and Cstore offering. Putting it in the Lobi store vs something like spire 1 with the obelisk is just insult to injury.
If I sound overly upset its because I love Star Trek and have been, for the most part, really enjoying STO.
In anycase, my two cents
I did the grind thing on 7 characters to preserve the option of perhaps taking the C-store plunge (prior to the details coming out of course). It would not bother me in the least if the grind ship were available for a semi reasonable price on the exchange.
Of course, the perfect solution would be to put the core and deflector on the Cstore ship and be done with it. Then, I'd have skipped the Q thing and simply given them my money. Now that I've done it on the heels of the winter thing, I feel we are getting a raw deal here...I think I just have to chill.
Don't advertise something as 'only available during the anniversary' then claim, this is nothing new.
Let's be honest, the reason you've decided to do this is because you're worried the 9 pack bundle wont sell enough without the set bonus incentive.
And now trying to pretend it that was that way all along.
The grindaversary used to be called a player appreciation event.
Seems like the metrics have shown that appreciating your customers, or even being upfront and honest with them, is contraindicated.
I think its the apparent belief that we cant remember dev blogs from a few weeks ago that is so insulting.
Well.........When they announced the upcoming anniversary event, they said they wanted to be "transparent" and told us before the event even started that there was going to be a 3 pack dyson ship bundle for each faction added to the c-store at the end of February.
But they never mentioned anything about the free dyson ship going into the lobi store after the event ended.
I'm guessing it's because there were several threads of pissed off players because Cryptic said "if you want the secondary deflector and warp core, you have to get it from the anniversary ship", which lead some to speculate and claim that in order for them to be obtainable again, we would have to wait a whole year to get them.
The c-store ships have been advertised as having a 4 piece set, which includes the secondary deflector. This whole thing is just another way for them to monetize EVERYTHING!
They use to just give us free ships during special events. Now they're headed for giving them to us for free, but those who didn't get them in time will have to take out a second mortgage to get them instead of waiting for the event to return.
I also do praise where warranted.
but this.......this is fubar.
It's not cheap that way at approx 150 keys per character so its not diluting the work you did to get it if some of you did do the work. I did it on 8 characters for about 1/2 hour a day and I have no problem with it in the lobi store. $300 million energy credit value.
For those people who say well it should have been put into the fleet stores... well if the ship didn't come with any gear then I would agree, but how many of you would be happy getting this anniversary ship in fleet store like others minus the warp core and deflector? thought so. No fleet store ships come with any of the special gear. I don't think using fleet credits is fair to those put the work into getting the ship either.
For the people who say I shouldn't have to spend lobi for a new character in the future... Well you had a choices and still do. You can wait until next year's event or you can buy some character slots like I did and create new characters now. I planned ahead and made three new sci toons that level 12 so I could do the Q's and worry about leveling them up later.
I guess in the end the answer is to not make it available at all so all your future characters and current ones that ran out of time don't have it. I suppose that would make everyone happy. Maybe they should have put the bare bones ship without gear in the fleet store and made you pay for that that way and then put the equipment as a two piece set for 400 lobi in the lobi store and have you buy it separately after owning the fleet ship. Afterall, why would it be fair for you to just get the gear for the c-store ships when the rest of us had to obtain the anniversary ship as well to get the gear.
In the end, they did everyone a favor both those who did the grind and those who didn't. They could have given us the ship with nothing like in previous years and made you buy the extra gear via lobi to begin with but they didn't. They could make everyone who didn't get it in time wait until next year, but they listened and came up with an alternative via the lobi store. Watch what you ask for because next year you just may find the opposite true.
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Now about the fact that you got it for free? You didn't have to spend a penny/pence/rupee/etc.
Aye..shame of all this is...they did a GREAT job on the Featured Episode. I loved that there was some variety built in based on choices you made so even if you had to run it multiple times, there was something new to see or at least a change from the last time you ran it. I very much enjoyed it and do encourage Cryptic to give us more of that kind of variable choice content.
A little of that variety in the stfs might be in order too...have a few different variations on it, perhaps with something really rare and bizzare happening here and there?
I hope they dont let a very good FE effort get overlooked in all the issues with the event and dyson ship. More like the FE plz. The rest of this just should never happen again.
My advice Cryptic on a anniversary release a free ship by all means do a C store version with all the bells and whistles on but this has made me reconsider doing any other anniversary event because the grind in this game is ridiculous
Rep Grind
Fleet mark Grind
Dilithium grind
event grind
I know grinding is a part of MMO's but this is a joke
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Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
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Oh? "It's your fault you didn't get the ship for free during the event".
Try telling that to players who are brand new to the game 6 months from now. You gonna tell them it's their fault they didn't start playing soon enough?
This isn't about the anniversary ship going into the lobi store. It's about the god damn secondary deflector and warp/singularity core being locked behind a 600 lobi purchase, for our future characters created after the event, and new players to the game that come along later.
Dyson ship 9 pack bundle costs 10,000 zen. It's going to cost at least that much zen, or even a lot more, to get keys so you can get enough lobi to get the anniversary ship for ONE character. You're looking at at least $100 additional to complete the full set that the c-store ships are advertised and marketed to use.
I haven't opened lockboxes in months because of the ****ty amount of lobi crystals I get, and all the friggen doff packs. The last boxes I opened was 30 tal'shiar and I was going for the plasmonic leech console. Well I didn't get it. I got 1 tal'shiar command code (a COMMON item), a couple bonus pools, and all the rest COMMON duty officer packs.
I only bought 10 key packs with zen I payed real money for. 1,125 zen per pack. So I payed $33.75 and ended up with less than 200 lobi. If I was going for an 800 lobi ship, that wasn't even 1/4 of what I needed. So it would cost me over $100 for it. I will never again open lockboxes for any reason unless things change.
This was Cryptic royally TRIBBLE us over big time. First I saw claims that in order to get the set items after the event, we would have to wait until next year's anniversary. That might have been true, but due to the outrage over this, they decided "fine we'll let them have it, but they're gonna pay big time for it". They did this just to spite us for not wanting to wait a year for it because "it's your own TRIBBLE fault you didn't get it when you should have".
Total bull****!
Dyson Science Destroyer comes out with a bit of grindwork: "Weh weh! I want it NAO! I'm not going to play it!"
Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer comes out without the additional gear the DSD has: "Weh weh! It's not complete! I'm not going to buy it!"
Dyson Science Destroyer becomes a Lobi ship: "Weh weh! You're insulting us by putting this here! How dare you!"
I think the only way any of you people would have been happy was if Cryptic gave you all twelve ships right then and there all decked out in Fleet gear, plus 5000 Zen and, like 10,000 Lobi. And even THEN, you wouldn't be happy!