A 300 year old ship is NOT top notch. We can get ships from 237x.
But not one from 21xx?
That excuse is not valid regarding the D'kyr. I am arguing for D'kyr for Fed Romulans, not Odyssey.
But it is not 300 years old. It is a 24th or 25th Century ship that had the design modified to incorporate new technology. Vulcans had interstellar travel for centuries before humans even learned how to fly. Therefore, their designs have matured to the point where they don't need to create a completely new design. It is illogical to create a completely new design when the old one works just fine.
But it is not 300 years old. It is a 24th or 25th Century ship that had the design modified to incorporate new technology. Vulcans had interstellar travel for centuries before humans even learned how to fly. Therefore, their designs have matured to the point where they don't need to create a completely new design. It is illogical to create a completely new design when the old one works just fine.
True but it's still the same ship And if you look at the stats, it's definitely not top notch.
Giving to Fed Romulans would help reunificationists a lot.
It is a worthy cause, and it's a very nice ship that few Fed even cares about considering in my entire time I have only seen 3 player D'kyr.
As a Fed Romulan ship it would be used more. Plus it's 2k Zen, and that should be payment enough to use it on a Romulan.
True but it's still the same ship And if you look at the stats, it's definitely not top notch.
Giving to Fed Romulans would help reunificationists a lot.
It is a worthy cause, and it's a very nice ship that few Fed even cares about considering in my entire time I have only seen 3 player D'kyr.
As a Fed Romulan ship it would be used more. Plus it's 2k zen that should be payment enough to use it on a Romulan.
D'kyr for Romulans!!
It is not the same ship. It is not even a retrofit. It is a completely new ship with every single component made with 24th or 25th Century technology. The only similarities between the 22nd Century D'Kyr and 25th Century D'Kyr is the shape and maybe the ship layout like the Bridge, quarters, hallways, and other non-critical systems.
The D'Kyr should never be available for Romulans due to the simple fact that there is resentment on both sides. Some Vulcans and some Romulans believe in Reunification, but not everyone. Maybe if Romulans were part of the Federation or 50 years after the Romulan Republic was allied with the Federation, but certainly not with the amount of distrust on both sides.
The D'kyr is obviously not for those with distrust, but you're forgetting that Joint Vulcan/Romulan colonies already exist such as Khaiell, and that the D'kyr is a very common Vulcan ship.
It is VERY reasonable that a reunificationist Romulan can get a D'kyr. And no, that D'kyr is certainly not top notch. Sure it's not the 22nd D'kyr but it's not state of the art either. It's most likely a 24th century design, and 24th century design are available to Romulans.
I support the D'Kyr for Romulans! I mean, fair is fair. They ARE "distant cousins" of the Vulcans. So why can't a reunificationist from New Romulus get one. For that matter, aren't almost all citizens of New Romulus supporting reunification? So why can't they be manning a Vulcan ship such as the D'Kyr?
I support the D'Kyr for Romulans! I mean, fair is fair. They ARE "distant cousins" of the Vulcans. So why can't a reunificationist from New Romulus get one. For that matter, aren't almost all citizens of New Romulus supporting reunification? So why can't they be manning a Vulcan ship such as the D'Kyr?
Exactly. Your support is appreciated. We must stand united and fight the skepticism and naysayers.
I support the D'Kyr for Romulans! I mean, fair is fair. They ARE "distant cousins" of the Vulcans. So why can't a reunificationist from New Romulus get one. For that matter, aren't almost all citizens of New Romulus supporting reunification? So why can't they be manning a Vulcan ship such as the D'Kyr?
Where has it ever been said that almost all Romulan Republic are reunificationists? The Republic isn't about reunification...it's about escaping the tyranny of the Tal Shiar and the Empire. It's about freedom...
Reunification isn't nearly as big as you few are trying to make it sound...it's very obvious for many reasons there isn't actually a huge following for it. Vulcan's wouldn't even assist in saving Romulus...Admiral T'nae was against the allegiance with the Republic...I don't see Vulcans just suddenly being content with giving away their ships.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Where has it ever been said that almost all Romulan Republic are reunificationists? The Republic isn't about reunification...it's about escaping the tyranny of the Tal Shiar and the Empire. It's about freedom...
Reunification isn't nearly as big as you few are trying to make it sound...it's very obvious for many reasons there isn't actually a huge following for it. Vulcan's wouldn't even assist in saving Romulus...Admiral T'nae was against the allegiance with the Republic...I don't see Vulcans just suddenly being content with giving away their ships.
Where did I say that all are unificationists?
Those who aren't probably wouldn't touch a D'kyr with a tong.
And besides, this is only for Fed Romulans.
But those who are should have the possibility to get a D'kyr in a gesture of cooperation from likeminded Vulcans.
And T'nae actually changes her mind during the missions you have with her and is appreciative towards the help the player gives her and the Federation.
It's about having the option to reflect your character's stance, ideology, and intentions.
The D'kyr is the perfect way to do so, as it's not the most powerful or newest ship, but it sends a message that Vulcans and Romulans are brothers and sisters, and can work together in unity.
i remember a dev saying in a blog interview that CBS said no to T5 ships being open to Rommys i cant remember which or were i read it so its like a T% conne not a chance of it happening.
+ Rom ships are cool once u learn them
Where did I say that all are unificationists?
Those who aren't probably wouldn't touch a D'kyr with a tong.
And besides, this is only for Fed Romulans.
But those who are should have the possibility to get a D'kyr in a gesture of cooperation from likeminded Vulcans.
And T'nae actually changes her mind during the missions you have with her and is appreciative towards the help the player gives her and the Federation.
It's about having the option to reflect your character's stance, ideology, and intentions.
The D'kyr is the perfect way to do so, as it's not the most powerful or newest ship, but it sends a message that Vulcans and Romulans are brothers and sisters, and can work together in unity.
D'kyr for Romulans!
You can keep arguing but it's never gonna happen...if it were to, it would open the flood gates for other t5 ships.
You still seem to be ignoring the fact that the Vulcan High Council was willing to sit by and let Romulus be destroyed...things aren't nearly as peachy as you're trying to claim.
What does what ship you command have to do with reunification any ways? If you need a ship to show you're for it then you're doing something wrong.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
It's part of the effort. And besides, I don't mind if the D'kyr is downgraded to Tier 4 and a D'kyr retrofit or Fleet D'kyr is added.
As long as I can pilot it. And besides, I don't think CBS vetoed Romulan tier 5 ships, they were actually planned to be available but some very...narrowminded players complained.
New Romulus is not the old Romulan Star Empire and I bet many Vulcans understand that.
It's time we regain the D'kyr and our lost heritage!
Something been missed here, the Romulan Republic are NOT true allies, they're allies in the sense that they want the help of both the Federation AND the KDF and thus allow their captains to chose which side to serve with. They're no more actual allies than the Federation and the KDF are with each other.
You'd have to be mental to give an "ally" who insists on basically remaining neutral, and keeping the option open to change their minds, your best ship building tech. Most especially with a group who traditionally have favoured cloak and dagger over true friendship and honesty. Heck the distrust both the KDF and Federation have for the Romulan Republic is even covered in an episode...
You DON'T join the Federation or the KDF when you allign, you remain a member of the Romulan Republic. Your ultimate authority been the leaders of this republic, NOT the leaders of either the KDF or the Federation. D'Tan remains your C&C even after chosing allignment. You serve the RR first and formost, and only the KDF or Feds for as long as it suits the needs of the RR. If you don't believe this, roll another Romulan and play through the pre choice missions again, it's right there in the story. Don't like warbirds? Plenty of lock box ships that you can fly, heck even the Romulan time ships have warp cores and no cloak if you want to keep Romulan style visuals to your ship.
I've got to say though, if you've never seen all of the info stating that Romulans couldn't fly T5 ships, you must have not been around at the launch of LoR when it was clearly stated in the dev blogs of the time, and must have been avoiding the forums ever since too, as the forums have been FULL of folks saying the same thing and having it pointed out to them that Romulans can't fly T5 ships from their chosen allignment, and that this has been clearly stated by Crytpic from the start.
I started playing in October, so no it wasn't very clear then. Most sites just said Romulans would be able to choose factions at level 10 and could fly allied ships and warbirds.
And as for the allegiance, your character chooses to align with the Fed and KDF and then your character proves his/her allegiance to them many times, even going as far as fighting Romulans who alligned with the KDF.
Not to mention, your character can also have a different allegiance. My character is alligned to the Khaiell colony in the Psi Velorum sector more than she is aligned to New Romulus for instance. And we can already get a lot of allied ships, some who are a relatively new model. Such as the Defiant and Intrepid.
And I'd rather not fly ships who belongs to enemies of both the Federation, Republic and KDF.
I did consider a Science vessel, I could roleplay it comes from a time where New Romulus and Vulcan are united, but that ship is SO expensive.... And the bridge sucks.
The Republic may not be true allies maybe, but my character definitely is.
If my character was asked to leave the Federation, she'd refuse.
To which I reply, how you chose to roleplay your character is inadequate grounds for making such a large change.
So I say, want a fed ship, roll a fed. Want to RP a Romulan, roll a fed alien and make them look Romulan, which is what players were doing before LoR existed.
Romulan player use Romulan T5 ships. KDF player use KDF t5 ships. Fed player use Fed T5 ships. I thought it was kind of obvious after all this time.
Romulan can use lower level ships, as part of the alliance, in return they provide several items and bonuses with the rom rep. But those ships are old, it's like giving Cold war vehicle and weapon to your allies. They can use it effectively, but it's not the high tech gear you keep for yourself.
And T'nae actually changes her mind during the missions you have with her and is appreciative towards the help the player gives her and the Federation.
T'Nae is never in favor of unification. In the end, she just think not all the Romulan are the sneaky devils she used to think they were.
Remember, T'Nae is the psycho that send the fed player destroy a medical facility following the orders of an obvious Undine agent. She spend her time sending spies and saboteurs in Romulan territory. And when they start building a fleet, probably because they are tired of having the feds killing their people, she send a whole fleet destroy it, while in orbit of their own new homeworld, in a preemptive strike of what may or may not happen ! As I said, she is a psycho. I don't know what happen to her, but her hatred for Romulan is obvious.
So, having her recognize that some Romulan are not evil is like a Klingon thinking diplomacy is better than war. It's an impressive feat by itself.
To which I reply, how you chose to roleplay your character is inadequate grounds for making such a large change.
So I say, want a fed ship, roll a fed. Want to RP a Romulan, roll a fed alien and make them look Romulan, which is what players were doing before LoR existed.
This. I still have my fed alien rom. They are RPed as rom/human hybrid, so it makes sense for them to be in starfleet. You can always make a fed alien rom, and pretend he/she is working toward reunification.
It wouldn't be the same. The real Romulan race should support this.
Look at the stats of a D'kyr, they're obviously far worse than most Tier 5 ships.
I think it would be ok to degrade it to tier 4. And then make a new Tier 5 Fed only version.
That and I am not rerolling after all the accolades, and hard work I've put into my character.
A better solution must exist, we must strive to make a better experience for everyone.
D'kyr for Romulans!
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But it is not 300 years old. It is a 24th or 25th Century ship that had the design modified to incorporate new technology. Vulcans had interstellar travel for centuries before humans even learned how to fly. Therefore, their designs have matured to the point where they don't need to create a completely new design. It is illogical to create a completely new design when the old one works just fine.
True but it's still the same ship And if you look at the stats, it's definitely not top notch.
Giving to Fed Romulans would help reunificationists a lot.
It is a worthy cause, and it's a very nice ship that few Fed even cares about considering in my entire time I have only seen 3 player D'kyr.
As a Fed Romulan ship it would be used more. Plus it's 2k Zen, and that should be payment enough to use it on a Romulan.
D'kyr for Romulans!!
It is not the same ship. It is not even a retrofit. It is a completely new ship with every single component made with 24th or 25th Century technology. The only similarities between the 22nd Century D'Kyr and 25th Century D'Kyr is the shape and maybe the ship layout like the Bridge, quarters, hallways, and other non-critical systems.
The D'Kyr should never be available for Romulans due to the simple fact that there is resentment on both sides. Some Vulcans and some Romulans believe in Reunification, but not everyone. Maybe if Romulans were part of the Federation or 50 years after the Romulan Republic was allied with the Federation, but certainly not with the amount of distrust on both sides.
It is VERY reasonable that a reunificationist Romulan can get a D'kyr. And no, that D'kyr is certainly not top notch. Sure it's not the 22nd D'kyr but it's not state of the art either. It's most likely a 24th century design, and 24th century design are available to Romulans.
D'kyr for Romulans!!
Exactly. Your support is appreciated. We must stand united and fight the skepticism and naysayers.
D'kyr for Romulans!
Where has it ever been said that almost all Romulan Republic are reunificationists? The Republic isn't about reunification...it's about escaping the tyranny of the Tal Shiar and the Empire. It's about freedom...
Reunification isn't nearly as big as you few are trying to make it sound...it's very obvious for many reasons there isn't actually a huge following for it. Vulcan's wouldn't even assist in saving Romulus...Admiral T'nae was against the allegiance with the Republic...I don't see Vulcans just suddenly being content with giving away their ships.
Where did I say that all are unificationists?
Those who aren't probably wouldn't touch a D'kyr with a tong.
And besides, this is only for Fed Romulans.
But those who are should have the possibility to get a D'kyr in a gesture of cooperation from likeminded Vulcans.
And T'nae actually changes her mind during the missions you have with her and is appreciative towards the help the player gives her and the Federation.
It's about having the option to reflect your character's stance, ideology, and intentions.
The D'kyr is the perfect way to do so, as it's not the most powerful or newest ship, but it sends a message that Vulcans and Romulans are brothers and sisters, and can work together in unity.
D'kyr for Romulans!
+ Rom ships are cool once u learn them
You can keep arguing but it's never gonna happen...if it were to, it would open the flood gates for other t5 ships.
You still seem to be ignoring the fact that the Vulcan High Council was willing to sit by and let Romulus be destroyed...things aren't nearly as peachy as you're trying to claim.
What does what ship you command have to do with reunification any ways? If you need a ship to show you're for it then you're doing something wrong.
As long as I can pilot it. And besides, I don't think CBS vetoed Romulan tier 5 ships, they were actually planned to be available but some very...narrowminded players complained.
New Romulus is not the old Romulan Star Empire and I bet many Vulcans understand that.
It's time we regain the D'kyr and our lost heritage!
D'kyr for Romulans!
You'd have to be mental to give an "ally" who insists on basically remaining neutral, and keeping the option open to change their minds, your best ship building tech. Most especially with a group who traditionally have favoured cloak and dagger over true friendship and honesty. Heck the distrust both the KDF and Federation have for the Romulan Republic is even covered in an episode...
You DON'T join the Federation or the KDF when you allign, you remain a member of the Romulan Republic. Your ultimate authority been the leaders of this republic, NOT the leaders of either the KDF or the Federation. D'Tan remains your C&C even after chosing allignment. You serve the RR first and formost, and only the KDF or Feds for as long as it suits the needs of the RR. If you don't believe this, roll another Romulan and play through the pre choice missions again, it's right there in the story. Don't like warbirds? Plenty of lock box ships that you can fly, heck even the Romulan time ships have warp cores and no cloak if you want to keep Romulan style visuals to your ship.
I've got to say though, if you've never seen all of the info stating that Romulans couldn't fly T5 ships, you must have not been around at the launch of LoR when it was clearly stated in the dev blogs of the time, and must have been avoiding the forums ever since too, as the forums have been FULL of folks saying the same thing and having it pointed out to them that Romulans can't fly T5 ships from their chosen allignment, and that this has been clearly stated by Crytpic from the start.
And as for the allegiance, your character chooses to align with the Fed and KDF and then your character proves his/her allegiance to them many times, even going as far as fighting Romulans who alligned with the KDF.
Not to mention, your character can also have a different allegiance. My character is alligned to the Khaiell colony in the Psi Velorum sector more than she is aligned to New Romulus for instance. And we can already get a lot of allied ships, some who are a relatively new model. Such as the Defiant and Intrepid.
And I'd rather not fly ships who belongs to enemies of both the Federation, Republic and KDF.
I did consider a Science vessel, I could roleplay it comes from a time where New Romulus and Vulcan are united, but that ship is SO expensive.... And the bridge sucks.
The Republic may not be true allies maybe, but my character definitely is.
If my character was asked to leave the Federation, she'd refuse.
So my request remains.
D'kyr for Romulans!!
So I say, want a fed ship, roll a fed. Want to RP a Romulan, roll a fed alien and make them look Romulan, which is what players were doing before LoR existed.
Romulan can use lower level ships, as part of the alliance, in return they provide several items and bonuses with the rom rep. But those ships are old, it's like giving Cold war vehicle and weapon to your allies. They can use it effectively, but it's not the high tech gear you keep for yourself.
T'Nae is never in favor of unification. In the end, she just think not all the Romulan are the sneaky devils she used to think they were.
Remember, T'Nae is the psycho that send the fed player destroy a medical facility following the orders of an obvious Undine agent. She spend her time sending spies and saboteurs in Romulan territory. And when they start building a fleet, probably because they are tired of having the feds killing their people, she send a whole fleet destroy it, while in orbit of their own new homeworld, in a preemptive strike of what may or may not happen ! As I said, she is a psycho. I don't know what happen to her, but her hatred for Romulan is obvious.
So, having her recognize that some Romulan are not evil is like a Klingon thinking diplomacy is better than war. It's an impressive feat by itself.
This. I still have my fed alien rom. They are RPed as rom/human hybrid, so it makes sense for them to be in starfleet. You can always make a fed alien rom, and pretend he/she is working toward reunification.
Look at the stats of a D'kyr, they're obviously far worse than most Tier 5 ships.
I think it would be ok to degrade it to tier 4. And then make a new Tier 5 Fed only version.
That and I am not rerolling after all the accolades, and hard work I've put into my character.
A better solution must exist, we must strive to make a better experience for everyone.
D'kyr for Romulans!