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Why can?t I get a Kar?fi?
meldrithpw
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Yesterday was a bad day for me in STO. It seemed that no matter what I tried to do, I was told, I'm sorry, you can't do that.
One that I really don't understand is why my KDF allied rom can have some KDF ships but not others. I've leveled up this character and set up his bridge crew designed to use a particular strategy with this one ship, but when I went to buy it from the C-store, I was told that I couldn't get it.
Come on people, are you running a business or not? Take my money, let me have the ship!
I can understand in the spirit of the genre why certain ships should be disallowed to certain characters, but if you're going to allow any allied ships to an allied Rom, continuity demands that you should allow all ships.
If however, you feel that some restriction should remain, instituting a faction specific allied recog system might serve as a method for rom to gain access to other such otherwise disallowed purchases. Read more about my Idea for allied recog system at http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=14960631#post14960631
One that I really don't understand is why my KDF allied rom can have some KDF ships but not others. I've leveled up this character and set up his bridge crew designed to use a particular strategy with this one ship, but when I went to buy it from the C-store, I was told that I couldn't get it.
Come on people, are you running a business or not? Take my money, let me have the ship!
I can understand in the spirit of the genre why certain ships should be disallowed to certain characters, but if you're going to allow any allied ships to an allied Rom, continuity demands that you should allow all ships.
If however, you feel that some restriction should remain, instituting a faction specific allied recog system might serve as a method for rom to gain access to other such otherwise disallowed purchases. Read more about my Idea for allied recog system at http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=14960631#post14960631
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Because you can use ships from T1-4. Kar'fi is T5.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Romulan_Republic
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Legacy_of_Romulus
And countless threads in the Rumulan section...
Your continuity maybe, but not Cryptic's.
Cryptic's is really simple: Romulans can't use Tier 5 allied ships. Tiers 1-4, anything goes. No 5 though.
Been that way since the Romulan half-a-faction was shoehorned into the game to grab some money from people who like pointed ears but not logic.
When you start the game as Rom, your homeplanet was destroyed and the Elachi decimate the Republic, So the Fed/KDF are the wind beneath your wings until you are grown up.
But only a few players use Alliance ships. They rather create a single faction character for this.
I already read it.
It sounds more like an "I want it all" proposal intended to enable one character to have ships from all factions by dancing around the "recognition" ratings and I find it something that should never, ever be implemented as described.
No it shouldn't.
Tier V ships are where we will spend the most time playing the game.
KDF in KDF ships, FED in FED and Romulan in Romulan.
The point about a faction is that it comes with restrictions.....one of which is not flying another factions ships at endgame.
I remember this too, so not really Cryptic to blame. It's been the case since the launch of LoR though, and well enough publicised.
So far I have started a campaign to allow Fed Romulans to at least get the D'kyr, since it's an ancient design and apparently it's ok for us to have old ships. Plus as a reunificationist I want to fly it.
I don't know if there is any ship on KDF side that has such an attachment to Romulans, probably not.
If I was around during the LOR beta I'd have slapped those people suggesting to restrict Romulans to Warbirds VERY hard.
A compromise could be to restrict fleet ships but not tier 5?
Pretty much this. On top of that, if Rommies could fly Federation and Klingon Tier 5 ships, both the Federation and Klingon characters would be obsolete, because certain Romulan bridge officers beat the pants off of anything the Federation and Klingons offer, except MAYBE the Human teamwork trait.
As it is, it's quite difficult competing against such an advantage. Not only that, but maxing out what access to Romulan boffs the Federation and Klingons have (via the embassy) is bloody expensive compared to what the Romulans can get boffs for.
It's no excuse to trap people in ridiculous ships or that of their enemies. I can't even use mirror ships.
There must be a way to change this without TRIBBLE us non-warbird romulans over.
D'kyr for Romulans!
Simple as that.
The D'kyr has no consoles. So D'kyr for Romulans!
If you're aligned with the Federation or the KDF it makes sense that you would have access to those factions' ships. If the alignment ends -- and you become aligned with the Romulan Republic then it makes sense to be restricted to Romulan ships.
The obsolescence argument (of Fed and KDF characters) could be dealt with by enabling Fed and KDF characters to become aligned with the Romulan Republic.
If you want to play Starfleet vessels, you play a Fed toon.
If you want to play KDF vessels, you play... a KDF toon.
You want Warbirds? Guess who you need to play as.
The faction alignment mechanic's introduction is what muddies the waters. Your response would be adequate if that mechanic had not been introduced. Since it has been, though, it seems reasonable that Fed and KDF characters could defect to other factions.
Lol, Sovereigns in KDF service? BOPs in Starfleet service? Do you realize how bad that is going to look?
Remember, many of us didn't know of this restriction. Everywhere it said Romulans will get access to allied ships and can choose which faction to join.
Then I reach level 50 and...No ships, only warbirds. Imagine my disappointment when I had worked so hard to get this character ready to fly a D'kyr, especially as it was my first character.
I had gotten loads of accolades and I really like the Romulan lore. I just don't like their ships.
I am not going to abandon my character, but I am also not going to resign to use Warbirds or enemy ship or being in an Intrepid Refit forever.
So I tell thee, Rise up fellow Romulans, Rise up and carry the banner of freedom!
D'kyr for Romulans!
For the record, by enemy ships I didn't mean warbirds, I meant Breen ships, Jem'hadar, etc.
I want to fly the ships of my allies not my enemies.
So I say, D'kyr for Romulans!
Getting 21xx ships should not be a problem.
And it makes more sense for us to fly allied ships than enemy ships.
D'kyr for Romulans! Do not let my poor Tal'kyr be an orphan. Support the movement!
Why would you want a D'kyr? Don't you know they're obsolete? :P
Plus it fits with my reunificationist movement, and my ship of mixed vulcan/romulan boffs and doffs.
D'kyr for Romulans!
Why make a Rommie and not use a Warbird? They are the only ones that can.
In-Universe: Why would you give another sovereign nation your current up-date and state of the art vessels equipped with your best technologies? You wouldn't. Giving them something thats usable but obsolete in comparison? Yeah that's fine. This was even in the show at one point, the Enterprise is helping some Romulans but don't want to give them a current computer core, so they replicate a 40 year old model so they can get home. They've not handed another government current military hardware and the Romulan ship got home. Win-Win.
Out of universe: You have access for T1- t4 ships for one reason: Consoles. Seriously. Its for the c-Store consoles. no one buys the basic models of allied ships because they cost Dilithium. You're not supposed to be using them. You're given the option to get Federation or KDF ships so you can get the consoles attached to the C-Store ships.
At max level, yeah, you're playing Romulan Vessels. As pointed out before, you want your Kar'fi or a D'Kyr, go play a Federation character or a Klingon character. The line in the sand is drawn on this one with much support of the community and devs, even if you are not one of them.
TRIBBLE Hydra! Hail Janeway!
It is a logical step to reunification, and just because a bad decision was made, it can be changed.
I don't care if the D'kyr is bumped down to tier 4.5 but it should be available to Romulans.
D'kyr for Romulans!!
Why would you give your top notch tech openly to a race that has a well documented past of treachery and deceit even if they're your allies? Did you see many Klingons commanding Defiants and Sovereigns during the Dominion war? Because the Federation and the Empire were allies back then.
A 300 year old ship is NOT top notch. We can get ships from 237x.
But not one from 21xx?
That excuse is not valid regarding the D'kyr. I am arguing for D'kyr for Fed Romulans, not Odyssey.