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[Console - Universal - Alpha Deception Field] *Resolved*

lascaillelascaille Member Posts: 78 Arc User
edited February 2014 in PC Gameplay Bug Reports
and once again you managed to deploy a tool, which reduces the timer for captains abillities like alpha, snb, sensor scan, miracle worker...
[Console - Universal - Alpha Deception Field]

did you even try to test the new toys???

and apart from this repeated major bug, the ability to reset the bridge officer cooldowns... hillarious...
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  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    You should know by now.. cryptic usually dont test anything.. or at least thats the impression we all have.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Wait a tick, hirogen lockbox is out now?
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

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  • drake122svkdrake122svk Member Posts: 731 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    It's not a bug, according to the description it resets all CD timers.

    That being said it's ridiculously broken and will be nerfed to uselessness pretty soon.
  • brandonflbrandonfl Member Posts: 892
    edited January 2014
    It's not a bug, according to the description it resets all CD timers.

    That being said it's ridiculously broken and will be nerfed to uselessness pretty soon.

    Hopefully anyway
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  • johnstewardjohnsteward Member Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    hopefully fast
  • iskandusiskandus Member Posts: 1,062 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    FYI, your stealth will be boosted up to some 7300+, making you totally invisible even to the best of the decloakers.
  • heizlueftaheizluefta Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ....shall i say more ?

    That is OP ! Not a typical troll or nerf thread ! But: guys.......you cant be serious with that !

    Did u try it in pvp ?

    Just a joke. Think of Backstab and Tif and Voth consoles and and and and and and and ...!

    No way you leave it like that !
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  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    heizluefta wrote: »
    ....shall i say more ?

    That is OP ! Not a typical troll or nerf thread ! But: guys.......you cant be serious with that !

    Did u try it in pvp ?

    Just a joke. Think of Backstab and Tif and Voth consoles and and and and and and and ...!

    No way you leave it like that !

    Nothing like a 3 minute CD item to reset all your CDs for you!
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Im a bit more concerned with this hull repair three piece set bonus from the new ship gear.

    It didnt seem to be working in the featured episode, but im waiting to see how it plays out on an ACTUAL player ship.

    Ill slot it on my scimitar later if i can get to it (still working on the main) and see how ridiculous it is compared to the valdore console.
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  • heizlueftaheizluefta Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Try it and give feedback. Its devastating...

    P.S.: Try Double-Vape !
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  • lascaillelascaille Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    thissler wrote: »
    Nothing like a 3 minute CD item to reset all your CDs for you!

    it works also on captain abilities. do you really believe, that it is "working as intended" (even though there seems to be no intention on the developers thoughts for this console?)

    and this cloak boost is ridiculous too.

    to be honest, i am speechless.
    cryptic develops consoles, which have nearly no use for pve, in my opinion, but which are mostly devastating for pvp.


    i would like to hear some thoughts from a cryptic official about their intention, when they "developed" this console
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  • voxlagindvoxlagind Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Like every other lockbox ever released, the sky is falling before anyone has even given it a chance.

    The console is an anti-subnuke. Escorts will understand this. As soon as they use Alpha, they get nuked and focused by a science debuffer sitting on them. Pop this, and you can live through it and maybe get your alpha back.

    It serves to be an escape button, which should drastically benefit PuG play. It can't be relied on as just a cool down reset. The lootbox is easily avoided, and the using player is disabled from everything but engines for 30 seconds. Using it offensively acts as more of a hindrance for your team than a benefit.

    This is good for the current state of PvP, and it will change everything. PvP could use this kind of change.

    If players demand a change on this, they deserve the state that PvP is in right now. You can't demand change, and cry when something new comes along.

    Kudos, Cryptic! You got this console right!
  • voxlagindvoxlagind Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Also, are we really complaining about a 3 minute cool down reducing a 2 minute cool down? People need to calm down.
  • heizlueftaheizluefta Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ...i think youre missing some points.

    1) Try backstepping and console...and backstepping and console....and so on

    2) Try offensive use: just vape, console, vape again !

    3) All Captain powers are resetted

    4) Plus Turn plus Speed plus dmg plus nearly 7000 stealth !!!!!

    5) Ahem...and...: Offensive Moebius with backstep and always alpha lol !

    ???

    So, just a new console ? lol
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    voxlagind wrote: »
    It serves to be an escape button, which should drastically benefit PuG play. It can't be relied on as just a cool down reset. The lootbox is easily avoided, and the using player is disabled from everything but engines for 30 seconds. Using it offensively acts as more of a hindrance for your team than a benefit.

    As far as I've seen, you are able to manually trigger the trap to use as cooldown reduction, so it most likely can be relied upon. It pumps your stealth anyways. The prime difficulty with this thing is the ability to double stack. 2xEnergy Siphon and Tyken's? 2xGrav Well? Doubled APO? 2x EPtW3?
  • iskandusiskandus Member Posts: 1,062 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Julius and I ran some tests on it. I was in my Anti-Cloak Sci with Sensor Scan, TDF, EPTA, Max Aux, Max Starship Sensor, Jem Hadar Deflector Mk XII (Lobi Store upgrade).

    First, Auxiliary power to Maximum, EPTA Active - target Julius and initiated Sensor Scan. At this point, Julius is about -600 in stealth from being Sensor Scanned. He has no Romulan subterfuge or superior subterfuge doff of anykind. He activates the Alpha Deception Field, and boom, he just completely disappeared in front of me. In reality, he is sitting less than 2KM from me, stationary. I bring my best snooper build and can usually detect most cloaked players as far as 12-13KM out - that is the target is not even directly sensor scanned, never seen a ship that can sit right on top of me and being undetectable due to one single console. If a target is affected by sensor scan, I can see them even if they are 20KM+ out.

    Then it got me thinking. Would my Antiproton Sweep work? It turned out, this console would be disabled from use if the target is unable to cloak due to Antiproton Sweep or Tractor Beam and presumably from Gravity Well as well. So there are some counters available. You need to treat the target as though it can cloak. If you disable his ability to cloak, then this console is disabled and cannot be used.
  • lascaillelascaille Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    voxlagind wrote: »
    ...
    The console is an anti-subnuke. Escorts will understand this. As soon as they use Alpha, they get nuked and focused by a science debuffer sitting on them. Pop this, and you can live through it and maybe get your alpha back.
    and the sci wont use this console for another nuke... sure... or a double / extended scan...
    regulary i have got my team for safing my escorts butt.
    It serves to be an escape button, which should drastically benefit PuG play...
    and here we have got your major fault. such a console won't help pug players (neither verse pug groups nor premade groups). the only thing that can help a pug player to improve his gaming, is teamwork in a premade.
    even with this console pug groups (with all the cheese in this game) will still lose verse a good playing made (without any cheese - here you can read mine, and that of the team in which I play, definition of cheese-free gaming: clear sky)
    ... If players demand a change on this, they deserve the state that PvP is in right now. You can't demand change, and cry when something new comes along. ..
    ridiculous. a big problem in sto pvp are the bugs and especially "one-click game breaking" (console) abilities, which disturb the playing of a whole group. groups with very good teamwork laugh at something like this.
    no professional group needs this TRIBBLE, unfortunately there are only very few professional groups left.
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  • horjen1horjen1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    this console is awful for the future of pvp!
    it will be a 'must have' for every player no matter what class or ship u use.

    it's sad that they finally work on the pvp system and bring up such a console at the same time!

    heizluefta u r totally right. it's a univesal console and can be used on any ship!
    the cd reset alone is more powerful than the backstep of wells!
    in addition u become untargetable andv invisible..therefore..invulnerable!
    ...oh boy I sound like some crazy teleshopping guy...:D

    BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!

    it fakes your death...it does tetryon buffed damage....u get lots of bonus turnrate/speed!

    U THINK THATS IT? NO! WHEN U CALL RIGHT NOW...

    ...u can combine it with the backstep of the wells:
    use all your powerful abilities -> then backstep -> use your skills again -> use the console -> *hey* now u can use all abilities again! AND the backstep's cd is gone, too!! -> use backstep again if u want/need to!!

    ...pffff....buy one backstep and get a second for FREE!!! BUY NOW...ONLY FEW LEFT! :P
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    its 1 thing when its ship restricted like back step, and a minor reduction. but this is truly universal. why would something like this magic your cooldowns, instead of just being a remote mine? remove this cooldown TRIBBLE from it completely
  • neppakyoneppakyo Member Posts: 245 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    This console is one of the stupidest things to be released since the romulan faction.
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  • heizlueftaheizluefta Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    its 1 thing when its ship restricted like back step, and a minor reduction. but this is truly universal. why would something like this magic your cooldowns, instead of just being a remote mine? remove this cooldown TRIBBLE from it completely

    Just signed

    This console can NOT stay like that.

    Ok. You can leave it like that in terms of pve ! But does that really improve pve ?

    And plz just change/remove it in essential points in terms of pvp. It just doesnt make sense Devs !
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  • alienfrombeyondalienfrombeyond Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    horjen1 wrote: »
    this console is awful for the future of pvp!
    it will be a 'must have' for every player no matter what class or ship u use.

    it's sad that they finally work on the pvp system and bring up such a console at the same time!

    heizluefta u r totally right. it's a univesal console and can be used on any ship!
    the cd reset alone is more powerful than the backstep of wells!
    in addition u become untargetable andv invisible..therefore..invulnerable!
    ...oh boy I sound like some crazy teleshopping guy...:D

    BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!

    it fakes your death...it does tetryon buffed damage....u get lots of bonus turnrate/speed!

    U THINK THATS IT? NO! WHEN U CALL RIGHT NOW...

    ...u can combine it with the backstep of the wells:
    use all your powerful abilities -> then backstep -> use your skills again -> use the console -> *hey* now u can use all abilities again! AND the backstep's cd is gone, too!! -> use backstep again if u want/need to!!

    ...pffff....buy one backstep and get a second for FREE!!! BUY NOW...ONLY FEW LEFT! :P
    Oh man, I'd love to see a video of someone abusing, sounds hilarious.
  • voxlagindvoxlagind Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Those of you who think this is an easy cooldown reset haven't tried it. I attempted to drop out right on players to do just that, and they avoided the lootbox with ease. Instead of being overpowered, I couldn't participate for 30 seconds.

    You need to stop reading things and freaking out before you play and understand them. The escape mechanism even has a negative, in that if your almost dead, they can choose the lootbox and pull you out to kill you.

    This is another clear case of the "theorycrafters" making wild accusations before even playing with it.
  • heizlueftaheizluefta Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Then :

    1) maybe youre using it wrong.
    Or
    2) You didnt understand all of it.

    We were trying that thing the last night with several ships and szenarios. Just saying "you dont know what your doing or you must be freaking out" is just.....how can i say.....
    -.- (no words).
    Thanx for that lovely trusting behaviour. But nothing new i think.....because you sometimes also dont think that tif is spam.....sry for just saying that....but shooting at me the way you do makes me wonder...

    Then we could make a match. Our team with these vonsoles. Your team without ? Lets try !!!.
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The Alpha Deception Field needs to be addressed in the sense that it should not work on captain abilities like Sub nucleonic beam and Alpha strikes. In the right hands, this can be tremendously abused. Imagine pairing it with Temporal Inversion Fields on Temporal ships. You could have many captain abilities chained over and over again which would make this an "I win" console.

    Video will soon be posted to demonstrate.

    If what Gecko said is accurate about PvP revamp as well, this would make PvP pointless thereby negating anything positive being done for PvP.
  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Have you actually tried to use it?

    I'm going to get less use out of that console then i do my Gal-R...

    Nerf it and it might break the laws of physics and become so bad that it gets good again...
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  • lascaillelascaille Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    voxlagind wrote: »
    ...

    nevertheless, cryptic had never the intention, to shorten or reset the cooldown of captain abilities. according to this there is no need to advertise such a possibility.

    and i thought, serious pvp players wouldn't even think of using such a console. on the other side, i always had the opinion, serious pvp player wouldn't use cheesy setups and broken skills. how wrong you can be, judging other players...
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  • realmarajaderealmarajade Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    This issue is already mentioned in the bug section and marked as "team is investigating [...]" ;)
  • heizlueftaheizluefta Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I wont be using that little thingy unless its being reworked/fixed/nerfed whatever....! I think most fleets will abuse it in team pvp !
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    voxlagind wrote: »
    Those of you who think this is an easy cooldown reset haven't tried it. I attempted to drop out right on players to do just that, and they avoided the lootbox with ease. Instead of being overpowered, I couldn't participate for 30 seconds.

    You need to stop reading things and freaking out before you play and understand them. The escape mechanism even has a negative, in that if your almost dead, they can choose the lootbox and pull you out to kill you.

    This is another clear case of the "theorycrafters" making wild accusations before even playing with it.

    You do realize that you can just hit the button again after 10 seconds have elapsed and trigger the cooldown reduction yourself, right? And that triggering the lootbox procs a hold on the person triggering it?

    It's a good thing, though, that they put in something to prevent the double stacking mentioned earlier. Self-buffs such as EPtX retain a timer of the length of the buff remaining.

    Nevertheless, it's an extremely powerful get-out-of-jail and reset button even after they fix the interaction with boff powers.
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