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K end batman ripoff, anyway...
Why do so many people get so lolmad in this game, and on these forums?
In game you run into nutballs that will rip your head off if you miss a probe in a khitomer and spam you with rage tells for an hour
In game you will run into people that will literally accuse your entire team and fleet of destroying PvP if you use a console... and then take it to the OPvP channel and flip out for an eternity about how its unfair, theyd beat you 1v1, you suck, etc
On the forums people will whine cry argue rage hate spam spam spam threaten people threaten to sue, threaten to leave, stamp their proverbial feet, belittle, go off the deep end.
In this game you will find people that literally cannot stand anothers success, and will go to great lengths to make their life a living hell in the game any way they can. Ive seen certain entitled people in power abuse their members this way. Such pettiness, and all for "feels"
As a whole, the community that is STO seems to be a very angry bunch of entitled nerds that cant take a joke or cant accept a respawn or cant handle losing 15 measly marks.
I ask you, my friends, why so serious? Are you not entertained? Y U NO have fun in game?
Why do so many people get so lolmad in this game, and on these forums?
In game you run into nutballs that will rip your head off if you miss a probe in a khitomer and spam you with rage tells for an hour
In game you will run into people that will literally accuse your entire team and fleet of destroying PvP if you use a console... and then take it to the OPvP channel and flip out for an eternity about how its unfair, theyd beat you 1v1, you suck, etc
On the forums people will whine cry argue rage hate spam spam spam threaten people threaten to sue, threaten to leave, stamp their proverbial feet, belittle, go off the deep end.
In this game you will find people that literally cannot stand anothers success, and will go to great lengths to make their life a living hell in the game any way they can. Ive seen certain entitled people in power abuse their members this way. Such pettiness, and all for "feels"
As a whole, the community that is STO seems to be a very angry bunch of entitled nerds that cant take a joke or cant accept a respawn or cant handle losing 15 measly marks.
I ask you, my friends, why so serious? Are you not entertained? Y U NO have fun in game?
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There are things that annoy me, things that i like, But i've never gotten to the point of rage for them
I've also noticed the kind of trends you mention, Odd for fans of an IP that promotes tolerance and cooperation to be quite so angry and spiteful
Sounds like your average online game's player base to me. Star Trek flavored or not, an online game is what this is- and at that point the rest pretty much explains itself.
At least the forums aren't as stupid as in-game chat for places like SWTOR... or ESD....
"There's no I in team, but there is in win."
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f*** the prom queen."
"Winning is everything. Losers are nothing."
Why are there so many angry players? I suspect you're seeing the convergence of the more toxic parts of several groups:
Personally, I find the tears delicious.
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But ingame, the rage and frustration all fall away to nothing.
I consider myself a Star Trek fan first, then a gamer. Bought a TOS Connie and the packs to go with it. Because a six year old boy sitting in front of a black and white TV set thought the TOS Enterprise was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. Especially when she beat the stuffing out of three D7 Battlecruisers. He realized there was more to this Star Trek thing than just the fighting part. But he wasn't quite old enough to figure it all out. He also liked the going places no one else had been part.
Every now and again, I let that six year old boy sit in the Big Chair and tell Mr. Sulu to,"Take her out."
Some people will complain about having nothing at all to complain about. Loudly, in public and as often as possible. It is the way they choose to remind us they are here. Responding in kind or reacting to their provocations only reinforces negative behavior.
I feel badly for them most days. They usually completely miss out on the best parts of Star Trek in general, this Community and STO.
I store the tears up, Their far more efficient for powering a ship than your standard anti matter fuel
And obviously the stf cooldowns. I run through them and then get a nice 30 minutes of nothing to do until the first cooldown expires.
Yes it is!
No it isn't!
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Seriously... this is the biggest nerdrage overload since the tour change.
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Not to reignite that thread's argument here (off topic, and nobody wants more of it anyways) but to defend at-least-some of the players being called whiners, I think for a lot of people its the tandem thing. Grind required, grumble-but-resigned-okay (though if you have a lot of alts, that 5 minutes is going to add up). Pay for full version, meh, thats how microtransaction games work. Pay AND Grind? Nerdrage.
Its the AND thats the killer, like being taken for granted. If it were just one or the other, a lot of the annoyance would drop back to the regular-grumble level instead.
Like I said, not trying to restart that argument, just trying to point out where a lot of people are coming from.
@ Patrick: that sounds like a horrible idea. Sorry, but it does. Crafting? I'd guess that half the player base doesn't even know how. Repeating randomly chosen FEs? the nerdrage inspired by that would be delicious. And foundry? yeah right...
If you want advice on how to win the shellgame, just ask. :P
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Could have something to do with the fact you deal so much in pvp. Could also have something to do with the amount of joy many of the pvp community take in mocking and showering disdain apon those that aren't that heavy into pvp. Could have something to do with the way much of the pvp community has ruined pvp for the rest of the community.
This post and the way you behave are just one of the prime examples of why pvp in this game is attempted by so few and enjoyed by even less.
I actually like Delta Rising.
Some people planned on using it (I created a Reman Sci two nights ago specifically for this ship; now I'm not so sure). Others are collectors or completionists. There are probably some that don't even care about the ship and are just personally insulted by how blatant the event setup is. Probably a bunch of other possible reasons I haven't thought of. The point is there are a lot of possibilities, many valid even if you don't personally agree, and those people don't deserve your scorn over it.
This forum already has too much 'those people don't play the way I do, so they're beneath me.' Lets not add to it.
We live in the society of 'now'. This is both a good and bad thing. On a global scale we have tried to streamline and make delivery incredibly fast and efficient. We have fast food, we have overnight shipping, we have virtual merchandise that can be transacted at the tip of a credit card, we have pizza that can be ordered online and delivered to your door without having to interact with another human being except for the delivery man/woman.
It is a good thing because this is proof of technological progress. As a race we have attempted to get to where we are now through innovation.
It is bad because this has raised a society who takes things for granted and has not developed the respect to go with the power of innovation. And it has allowed the illusion of instant gratification to be taken at face value. Ordering things online does not mean things literally appear out of nowhere. There are many middle-men in-between. But we don't interact with them, do we? They are humans who do not exist to us. They are nameless faces. They are numbers or statistics.
They are not human. And as such, we have devolved into a greater disrespect for other human beings. With the anonymity of the internet, we have the luxury of treating other people like dirt. We do not know them outside of their forum names or character names. They are nothing to us. They are less than human. And when you believe names on the screen to be less than human, you dehumanize them and thus make it morally correct to treat them as such without shame.
By living in the generation of 'now', we have come to expect instant gratification in multiple ways while not understanding it is not always possible. We have grown to believe we as individuals are the most important things in life, and that by having the power to order something and give money at the click of a button, we have some kind of superhuman sway over other human beings.
This could not be further from the truth. As the world population increases, we stop being treated as individuals and start being treated as demographics and percentages. There is no more 'personal touch', but we still expect our individual desires to be fulfilled as if 'we' are the most important person on the planet while looking at everyone else as just an anonymous name.
We are unable to comprehend or accept that 'we' do not matter as individuals. That we are the means to an end. We are there to be used and discarded, catalogued and filed away as 'important' or 'unimportant' and little else. Our way of not accepting our ultimate unimportance is to take that out on the rest of the world and to take it out on the rest of the 'dehumanized' humans on the internet forums or in video games.
We are so unhappy with being marginalized and treated as a statistic and not an individual that we treat others as statistics and not individuals. We thrive on the destruction of other people (whether socially, emotionally, physically, etc.) to the point we come to embrace and accept it. We glorify it. We take pride in reducing others as less than human on the internet. We compare STO devs to dogs that misbehave, we treat other players as if they are children, we treat people on the forums as if they're self-entitled brats.
I'm no exception, either. I simply accept how the world is rather than pretend it is something it is not.
As a result of all of these factors, you have unhappy people who are tired of being treated by unhappy people. It is a cycle of entropy. Some people have really crappy jobs and need to take it out on anonymous others on the internet. Some people just do it for the lulz.
In any case, the glorification of treating other humans as less than human is not a new phenomena. It has occured throughout human civilization. The internet is just one of the latest incarnations of a facet of human nature.
You have rude people, stupid people, aggressive people, trolls etc etc. If I had to really nail down the problem I think its ignorance.
People have no idea how games are made, but use their own real world experience to fill in the blanks. Now I don't expect anyone here who has never made a game to know how to make a game. You can read about it, you can listen to the devs, you can use common sense but we pretty much are all ignorant of what goes on.
Some people don't use common sense, don't read about it, and assume the devs are lying or stupid. Couple that with the rude, stupid, aggressive behaviour some have and it's a really bad combination.
If people could hypothetically spend a year actually making the game, running the business, seeing what works, what does not work, listen to the forums insult and berate them then they would have an understanding of how things work, why they work and appreciate the bigger picture rather than their own individual opinion and desires. At least then if they still think the game needs changing, or the devs are wrong or have idea about how to improve things at least it would not come from a position of ignorance.
But that's never going to happen so get used to it.
these questions i can give you the straight answer on from my POV. mind your own business, i got no reason to give you anything. and since you got your own adequacy issues to be concerned about, i suggest you sort these first since they are none of my business.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
so you entered the thread to tell him you have no intention of answering him.
would it not have been easier to say nothing at all? if we all minded our own business it would not be much of a forum.
I couldnt care less what your opinion is, every person is different so is their motivations, but you seem to wall yourself from this idea which makes you just as much on that ignorance side as anyone else (me included). you can not explain the human condition as not everyone will be alike or react the same way leading to the next quote.
humans dont have this thing called "common sense", which ties directly into motivations of a person or group of people, ex. killing over god images and ideals. leaderships corrupt and people wont depose them peacefully. people being sheeple and lead to the slaughterhouse. computer games companies trying to find that get quick rich scheme at the expense of customer support... there are practically and literally thousands of different examples of decadence created by humans, not because of common sense, but because there is a motivation to it, some humans maybe appealed by it, others can not stand it.
you could call it ignorance, but that doesnt help to try pretend the issue doesnt exist (this is why i think STO's ignore feature should be removed because ironically its not a tool of common sense, its a tool of ignorance). any human with common sense would allow someone else to make their point no matter how bad or good it is and discuss it out, no wars or whatever.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
no i answered his point with what some people would answer him anyways. you should read more into the motivation(cause) of why i posted it and not the symptom.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
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