Boo! I don't want a [Secondary Deflector] I want a 2nd Deflector spot so I can get TWO 2-piece bonuses from all the freaking gear sets I have!!! :mad: C'mon you know Sci ships need it!
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Man, that's one ugly looking ship. Cryptic, please hire someone who knows how to design Starfleet ships for Star Trek sakes.
I'm glad not to be working for those, they don't appeal in the slightest to me.
I am however very glad and thankfull about the second deflector. Science ships really needed this. My Vesta will be a shark with one of those. Looking forward to it!
You are so right on! The Romulan ship looks awesome and the Klingon ship looks good but that Fed ship got beat with an ugly stick!
Yeap .. That's what it is saying. You'll note he said they will ultimately drop like the warp cores did when introduced.
And I hope that corresponding 2nd Deflector generating DOff Assignments get introduced as well. I've gotten some nice Mk X and Mk XI Warp and Singularity Cores from the current DOff Assignments for those type of Cores.
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The TSABC is, as you said, a Battle Cruiser. It gets Battlecruiser Cruiser Commands. So I sincerely doubt and very much hope that it doesn't get a Secondary Deflector slot.
I also doubt it, but wouldn't mind it. And it doesn't matter if the word Cruiser is in it, there are also Carriers and Warbirds with science abilities.
Being the KDF doesn't have many ships with both sensor analysis and subsystem targeting(needs an upgrade since its like a boff power with no expertise spent). So basically the gorn support ship and that bortasqu' no one uses.
I can't see myself using a purple ship as a klingon no matter how they swing it.
Only the Gorn ships have both subsystem targeting and sensor analysis. The Sci Bortasqu has only sensor analysis.
To bring it to the point the only quasi Sci ship the KDF has that does not requires you to spend Zen to get is the Voquv. But it lacks the sensor analysis.
So I would suggest that the definition for Sci ships shifts from sensor analysis/subsystem targeting to ships with a fixed Commander Sci.
I also doubt it, but wouldn't mind it. And it doesn't matter if the word Cruiser is in it, there are also Carriers and Warbirds with science abilities.
I'm stupid. Moving on.
As for Warbirds, it's debatable. Warbird Cruisers didn't get the cruiser commands on account of their innate Singularity Powers. While I would have said that in the interest of balance, Science Warbirds probably shouldn't get a Secondary Deflector, we already know that the Dyson Science Warbird will. So then it's a question of whether it gets Singularity Powers too.
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Because it is still subject to change, I hope the Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser also be included in this new feature. It already has Sensor Analysis and comes pretty close to the (few) Romulan science ships out there.
Will to Vo'quv be receiving this upgrade? Its mostly a science ship. As is the Atrox, for that matter.
There's a simple quiz to determine whether a ship will get a secondary defletcor:
1) Does the ship have Sensor Analysis?
2) Does the ship have built in subsystem targeting?
If the answer to both questions is "Yes", then the ship will have a secondary deflector. If the answer to one or more questions is "No", then the ship will not have a secondary deflector.
Because the blog states there's going to be multiples, much like warp cores, or dare I say the non-rep deflectors. Each Aux Deflector might have procs in a similar style to their regular counterparts
...no, this does not mean you can slot 2 MACO XII deflectors on the same sci-ship :P
The post I quoted was talking about the Solanae Deflector Array, that particular deflector array is a unique item, which means it'll only be usable on the Dyson Science Destroyers.
What you referenced are the normal secondary deflector arrays.
Boo! I don't want a [Secondary Deflector] I want a 2nd Deflector spot so I can get TWO 2-piece bonuses from all the freaking gear sets I have!!! :mad: C'mon you know Sci ships need it!
The Science Destroyers do have a second Deflector spot, which in turn, means all science ships will get it eventually.
I liked the concept art for the "Fed Dyson Ship 2" better. The hull for the in-game model looks short and fat. Short and fat hulls in combination with typical Federation pylon, nacelle, and saucer designs end up with a very ugly silhouette. <cough>Avenger</cough> Short and fat hull works for ships like the Armitage and Defiant because the nacelles are placed in a way that doesn't accentuate the hulls.
The concept art for "Fed Dyson Ship 2" looks like it was modelled after Voyager. But that looks nothing like this.
As for Warbirds, it's debatable. Warbird Cruisers didn't get the cruiser commands on account of their innate Singularity Powers. While I would have said that in the interest of balance, Science Warbirds probably shouldn't get a Secondary Deflector, we already know that the Dyson Science Warbird will. So then it's a question of whether it gets Singularity Powers too.
I understand your argument, and I tend to agree with you with the Science Warbirds. But the TSABC is, yes a (Romulan)Cruiser but doesn't have a singularity core and no powers. and there are still special ships(Tholian) out there that have science abilities. My point is that the TSABC isn't the weirdest candidate for an exception lol:D
If the Romulan Science Warbirds(Ha'nom and the Dreadnaught 2500 ZEN) are to be excluded, the Tal shiar ships are the closest to a science ship for Romulan science Officer(minus the new ship), lol.
Now we just have to wait to see which of the kdf/warbird ships get them.
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There's a simple quiz to determine whether a ship will get a secondary defletcor:
1) Does the ship have Sensor Analysis?
2) Does the ship have built in subsystem targeting?
If the answer to both questions is "Yes", then the ship will have a secondary deflector. If the answer to one or more questions is "No", then the ship will not have a secondary deflector.
Only the Gorn ships have both subsystem targeting and sensor analysis. The Sci Bortasqu has only sensor analysis.
To bring it to the point the only quasi Sci ship the KDF has that does not requires you to spend Zen to get is the Voquv. But it lacks the sensor analysis.
So I would suggest that the definition for Sci ships shifts from sensor analysis/subsystem targeting to ships with a fixed Commander Sci.
Yeah true that so they will end up thinking the next holding will have KDF jumping at the seams to max its tiers. Then if they go by their current definition you'll only see the gorn sci ship as the only one where its not even used that much. Only thing I can guess is if they already thought of this and have a bunch of KDF sci ships in the works but I rarely doubt it unless the mogh was a huge success they aren't saying much about it.
I would like to see a bop though that is something like the vesta with some aux cannons but use subsystem targeting with said cannons and sensor analysis Not to be too OP but a more science method that isn't torp based like b'rel in a shield tanking game where it doesn't work like canon because of poor designers.
There's a simple quiz to determine whether a ship will get a secondary defletcor:
1) Does the ship have Sensor Analysis?
2) Does the ship have built in subsystem targeting?
If the answer to both questions is "Yes", then the ship will have a secondary deflector. If the answer to one or more questions is "No", then the ship will not have a secondary deflector.
It's possible they could make exceptions for it. I do hope for a secondary deflector on the tal shiar battle cruiser because the 3 piece set bonus is all about using science powers to apply the radiation DoT, and it does have the Sensor Analysis so it's wouldn't be completely out of the blue.
As for what the deflectors themselves do, we'll have to see stats to make a real estimate of their impact, but it sounds cool. Little confused by this though:
give Science ships ... the option of further defining their role in combat. Are they a Control Specialist, a Damage Dealer or Healer/Support Captain?
Which is then followed by:
One focuses on healing and support Science bridge officer abilities (e.g. Science Team), the second provides benefits to control powers (e.g. Tractor Beam) and lastly third type enhances debuff and draining powers (e.g. Tachyon Beam).
Which sounds like the "Damage Dealer" Science captain doesn't actually have a deflector for that role like the previous quote implied. I hope this gets addressed, I'd love to have a "space wizard" science ship that does the majority of its damage through powers instead of weapons and not be a dragging your team down with crappy DPS.
I understand your argument, and I tend to agree with you with the Science Warbirds. But the TSABC is, yes a (Romulan)Cruiser but doesn't have a singularity core and no powers. and there are still special ships(Tholian) out there that have science abilities. My point is that the TSABC isn't the weirdest candidate for an exception lol:D
If the Romulan Science Warbirds(Ha'nom and the Dreadnaught 2500 ZEN) are to be excluded, the Tal shiar ships are the closest to a science ship for Romulan science Officer(minus the new ship), lol.
The Tholian Orb Weaver will probably get a Secondary Deflector slot. It has Subsystem Targeting and Sensor Analysis. Same goes for the Voth Palisade Science vessel.
The TSABC already gets cruiser commands. It doesn't fulfill the criteria for a Secondary Deflector slot mentioned in the blog (Sensor Analysis & Subsystem Targeting). Based on those facts, it probably won't get a Secondary Deflector slot.
As for Warbirds, you're confused. The Science-oriented Scimitar isn't a Science ship. It doesn't have Subsystem targeting or Sensor Analysis. It is just an Escort with a more science-oriented Boff and Console layout than it's Tactical and Engineering sister ships.
Also, at least we now know what's gonna be available in the S9 Fleet Holding!
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1. The Starfleet and KDF Dyson Ship looks really bad...I mean really, has someone put purple glasses on JamJamz during the process???
And since when would Klingons allow their ships to look in THAT color?
Question: is there is an other Texture option available for those ships or just this purple one?
nevertheless, the Romulan ship looks bad-TRIBBLE.
2. Secondary Deflectors read well, but isn't the problem of science ships and powers that they are not nearly close to cruiser and escort damage? I am not talking about bringing all three ship classes on the same level of course, but would it not be better to add lets say some sort of electrical damage or sth similiar to damaging science powers if you have a secondary deflector equipped?
It's possible they could make exceptions for it. I do hope for a secondary deflector on the tal shiar battle cruiser because the 3 piece set bonus is all about using science powers to apply the radiation DoT, and it does have the Sensor Analysis so it's wouldn't be completely out of the blue.
"wouldn't be completely out of the blue" Exactly! That's all it is:D
I liked the concept art for the "Fed Dyson Ship 2" better. The hull for the in-game model looks short and fat. Short and fat hulls in combination with typical Federation pylon, nacelle, and saucer designs end up with a very ugly silhouette. <cough>Avenger</cough> Short and fat hull works for ships like the Armitage and Defiant because the nacelles are placed in a way that doesn't accentuate the hulls.
The concept art for "Fed Dyson Ship 2" looks like it was modelled after Voyager. But that looks nothing like this.
Just because you think the Fed Science Destroyer looks ugly, doesn't mean other people feel the same way, I think all three Science Destroyers look extremely awesome.
Boo! I don't want a [Secondary Deflector] I want a 2nd Deflector spot so I can get TWO 2-piece bonuses from all the freaking gear sets I have!!! :mad: C'mon you know Sci ships need it!
Although the above comment is a bit over the top, I will admit to being a little disappointed that I won't be able to use my 3 piece MACO set and the 2 piece bonus from the Dyson set. Oh well, I had decided after I got the idea shortly after the launch of season 8 that I would wait to see what secondary defectors were going to be like before I got the Dyson core and deflector, so I didn't waste any resources. Besides, maybe they'll add some secondary deflector/warp core sets! In any case, I'm happy my fleet Nova will be getting an upgrade!
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I guess the Vesta 3 pack I paid good money for is about to get gimped to compensate for this. 3 of my 4 Fed toons run the Tac (main toon), Eng, and Sci Vestas, so this is likely going to hit me hard...
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1. The Starfleet and KDF Dyson Ship looks really bad...I mean really, has someone put purple glasses on JamJamz during the process???
And since when would Klingons allow their ships to look in THAT color?
Question: is there is an other Texture option available for those ships or just this purple one?
Pretty sure it only looks purple due to the awful Dyson Sphere lighting in the pics (and/or your screen needs adjusting as they look grayish to me rather than purple).
I guess the Vesta 3 pack I paid good money for is about to get gimped to compensate for this. 3 of my 4 Fed toons run the Tac (main toon), Eng, and Sci Vestas, so this is likely going to hit me hard...
Uhm....what do you mean it will hit you hard? Why do you think the Vesta will be gimped??
I personally can't wait to get that second deflector on my Vesta, it'll be that much more effective.
Speaking of the Ha'nom (and the Mirror and Fleet version), I hope it does get the secondary deflector as much as I hope the Big D and Ha'apax (+ Mirror and Fleet) with the Haakona get the cruiser commands (even if say just 2 of them for a new category: Warbird cruiser).
As the cruisers don't seem to be getting cruiser commands anytime soon, I'm sorta doubtful on the Ha'nom (which satisfies Sensor analysis + Subsystem targeting).
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You are so right on! The Romulan ship looks awesome and the Klingon ship looks good but that Fed ship got beat with an ugly stick!
I'll pass...
Fed ship is basically an Avenger with it's Fleet Costume pylons, with a Dyson-ised skin.
And I hope that corresponding 2nd Deflector generating DOff Assignments get introduced as well. I've gotten some nice Mk X and Mk XI Warp and Singularity Cores from the current DOff Assignments for those type of Cores.
Thank you for the time...
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I also doubt it, but wouldn't mind it. And it doesn't matter if the word Cruiser is in it, there are also Carriers and Warbirds with science abilities.
Only the Gorn ships have both subsystem targeting and sensor analysis. The Sci Bortasqu has only sensor analysis.
To bring it to the point the only quasi Sci ship the KDF has that does not requires you to spend Zen to get is the Voquv. But it lacks the sensor analysis.
So I would suggest that the definition for Sci ships shifts from sensor analysis/subsystem targeting to ships with a fixed Commander Sci.
I'm stupid. Moving on.
As for Warbirds, it's debatable. Warbird Cruisers didn't get the cruiser commands on account of their innate Singularity Powers. While I would have said that in the interest of balance, Science Warbirds probably shouldn't get a Secondary Deflector, we already know that the Dyson Science Warbird will. So then it's a question of whether it gets Singularity Powers too.
1) Does the ship have Sensor Analysis?
2) Does the ship have built in subsystem targeting?
If the answer to both questions is "Yes", then the ship will have a secondary deflector. If the answer to one or more questions is "No", then the ship will not have a secondary deflector.
What you referenced are the normal secondary deflector arrays.
The Science Destroyers do have a second Deflector spot, which in turn, means all science ships will get it eventually.
The concept art for "Fed Dyson Ship 2" looks like it was modelled after Voyager. But that looks nothing like this.
I understand your argument, and I tend to agree with you with the Science Warbirds. But the TSABC is, yes a (Romulan)Cruiser but doesn't have a singularity core and no powers. and there are still special ships(Tholian) out there that have science abilities. My point is that the TSABC isn't the weirdest candidate for an exception lol:D
If the Romulan Science Warbirds(Ha'nom and the Dreadnaught 2500 ZEN) are to be excluded, the Tal shiar ships are the closest to a science ship for Romulan science Officer(minus the new ship), lol.
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Yeah true that so they will end up thinking the next holding will have KDF jumping at the seams to max its tiers. Then if they go by their current definition you'll only see the gorn sci ship as the only one where its not even used that much. Only thing I can guess is if they already thought of this and have a bunch of KDF sci ships in the works but I rarely doubt it unless the mogh was a huge success they aren't saying much about it.
I would like to see a bop though that is something like the vesta with some aux cannons but use subsystem targeting with said cannons and sensor analysis
As for what the deflectors themselves do, we'll have to see stats to make a real estimate of their impact, but it sounds cool. Little confused by this though: Which is then followed by: Which sounds like the "Damage Dealer" Science captain doesn't actually have a deflector for that role like the previous quote implied. I hope this gets addressed, I'd love to have a "space wizard" science ship that does the majority of its damage through powers instead of weapons and not be a dragging your team down with crappy DPS.
Man, the Avenger actually looks attractive compared to this thing...
The Tholian Orb Weaver will probably get a Secondary Deflector slot. It has Subsystem Targeting and Sensor Analysis. Same goes for the Voth Palisade Science vessel.
The TSABC already gets cruiser commands. It doesn't fulfill the criteria for a Secondary Deflector slot mentioned in the blog (Sensor Analysis & Subsystem Targeting). Based on those facts, it probably won't get a Secondary Deflector slot.
As for Warbirds, you're confused. The Science-oriented Scimitar isn't a Science ship. It doesn't have Subsystem targeting or Sensor Analysis. It is just an Escort with a more science-oriented Boff and Console layout than it's Tactical and Engineering sister ships.
Also, at least we now know what's gonna be available in the S9 Fleet Holding!
And since when would Klingons allow their ships to look in THAT color?
Question: is there is an other Texture option available for those ships or just this purple one?
nevertheless, the Romulan ship looks bad-TRIBBLE.
2. Secondary Deflectors read well, but isn't the problem of science ships and powers that they are not nearly close to cruiser and escort damage? I am not talking about bringing all three ship classes on the same level of course, but would it not be better to add lets say some sort of electrical damage or sth similiar to damaging science powers if you have a secondary deflector equipped?
"wouldn't be completely out of the blue" Exactly! That's all it is:D
hmm guess ill have to wait for builds and see what people do.
was this the blog that explained/show what the 3 rewards from the Tuvok mission are?
Although the above comment is a bit over the top, I will admit to being a little disappointed that I won't be able to use my 3 piece MACO set and the 2 piece bonus from the Dyson set. Oh well, I had decided after I got the idea shortly after the launch of season 8 that I would wait to see what secondary defectors were going to be like before I got the Dyson core and deflector, so I didn't waste any resources. Besides, maybe they'll add some secondary deflector/warp core sets! In any case, I'm happy my fleet Nova will be getting an upgrade!
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Pretty sure it only looks purple due to the awful Dyson Sphere lighting in the pics (and/or your screen needs adjusting as they look grayish to me rather than purple).
The actual colors (in decent lighting) were revealed in the Dev Blog: Ships - From Start to Finish i.e. they will be white like the Obelisk Carrier.
Uhm....what do you mean it will hit you hard? Why do you think the Vesta will be gimped??
I personally can't wait to get that second deflector on my Vesta, it'll be that much more effective.
As the cruisers don't seem to be getting cruiser commands anytime soon, I'm sorta doubtful on the Ha'nom (which satisfies Sensor analysis + Subsystem targeting).
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