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Best DPS/Tank ship?

redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
edited September 2014 in Federation Discussion
Hey guys, I'm looking for a good DPS/Tank ship for my fed. Lockbox ships are preferred. What energy type is the best for DPS? How do I get the huge numbers other people get?
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    jimqqijimqqi Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    If you want tank and dps I'd go for the recluse. You get 30k+ dps, high aux for heals, massive apb stacking and gw all on one ship. Romplas for dps on sci console heavy ships fleet ap otherwise.
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    redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2014
    2 tac consoles tho.... doesn't that suck? And yeah, spire consoles with science consoles =^^^^ DPS. I was kinda thinking about the Tal Shiar adapted BC too.
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    grendelthewise#0990 grendelthewise
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    edited January 2014
    Get the fleet version of the Exclesior class (Enterprise-B).
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    redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2014
    What's good about that one?
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    ericsonxxericsonxx Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I like the D'kora personally. Maybe its more of a 60/40 or 65/35 tank/dps, or maybe cause thats I fly mine with a engineer, but I find her a tough bird who can burn down enemies through, in my case, tons of plasma DOT.
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    nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Best dps - Andorian escort.
    Best tank - Bulwark

    There's nothing with both best dps and tank. There are plenty with both poor dps and tank, including ones mentioned by posters above.
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    rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Threads like this always make me ask myself "what this guy wants is something that can kill everything but cant be killed, doesnt he?"

    Answer is, built/flown right practically any ship can. But there is no i-win out of the box ship.
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    mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    redz4tw wrote: »
    What's good about that one?

    The Fleet Excelsior, Sovereign, and Avenger (as well as their lockbox/Lobi store companions, the D'kora, Monbosh, and Galor) have an excellent blend of Engineering slots (for tank) and Tactical slots (for spank), and can run the flavor-of-the-month (for several months running) Aux2Batt build, which gives Engineering-heavy ships a way to basically double their high-level Tactical slots.
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    sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    redz4tw wrote: »
    How do I get the huge numbers other people get?
    If that's your goal then you're going at it backwards.

    Experience trumps talent. Talent trumps builds. Builds trump ships. That's why a veteran player in a bird of prey will out DPS a noobie in an Avenger.

    If you want to get good, you need to team up with a veteran player who can show you the ropes, teach you about how to build any ship into a DPS monster, and keep you alive. Ask around your fleet for 'that guy.'
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    nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    If that's your goal then you're going at it backwards.

    Experience trumps talent. Talent trumps builds. Builds trump ships. That's why a veteran player in a bird of prey will out DPS a noobie in an Avenger.

    If you want to get good, you need to team up with a veteran player who can show you the ropes, teach you about how to build any ship into a DPS monster, and keep you alive. Ask around your fleet for 'that guy.'

    Err... Any noob can be in an Avenger, but a veteran won't be in a bop, lol.

    In theory, a vet with a good build in a bad ship will do better than a noob with a bad build in a good ship. In practice, a vet won't be in a bad ship in the first place.

    He's asking about the ship. Nothing wrong with that.
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    sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    There are plenty of veteran players on the KDF side who fly BoPs, either because they like too, or just for the challenge.

    But that's not the point of this thread, so I'll just answer the question. What's the best ship to give you a combination of DPS and tankiness? Honestly, it's whatever ship you like the best.

    You can build up almost any ship to soak damage as well it can dish it out, either maximizing a sci ship or cruiser for damage potential or by taking an escort and building it towards survivability.

    But since the OP was asking about lockbox ships, I'll just say I've had enormous fun of late in a Galor.

    I'll even show you the build I'm running right now: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=devilfishvampire_3722 This is just what it looks like: an A2B FAW drain build from hell. You could make it tankier by swapping the Sci drain abilities for PH and TSS but it already out-monsters all PvE content and more than holds it own in PvP even with my crappy piloting.
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    baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    if you want DPS you need an escort or an AUX2batt cruiser...fit it with an engi captain and you got the tanking part covered.

    cruisers you can consider: 1) definately recluse, though most dmg comes from the ultra rare pets that have BFAW3 and AP beta3 (i think)
    2) tal shiar adapted cruiser. it is basically a sci ship disguised as a cruiser with a cloak
    3) any one of the fed cruiser that have a LtdCmdr Tac boff station. Avenger ofcourse would be the popular choice.
    4) though more an escort than a cruiser, i'd say the breen cruiser is a good (free) choice too.
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    schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I love my temporal destroyer. It puts out a fare amount of dps and has good tank feel to it.
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    derbeelzebotderbeelzebot Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    redz4tw wrote: »
    2 tac consoles tho.... doesn't that suck? And yeah, spire consoles with science consoles =^^^^ DPS. I was kinda thinking about the Tal Shiar adapted BC too.

    No need for tactical consoles, if you have enough APB. Recluse can run up to 5 copies of APB3. No other ship can do that. Damagewise that allows you to give the competitors a close run. And in terms of tanking, you're still up there with with the best.

    The Recluse probably never was the absolute best damage dealer and get eclipsed in tankiness, too. But there is no other ship that ranks as high in both categories simultaneously.
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    smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Run double Aux2SIF on a 4 tac console cruiser as a tac captain and you're laughing.

    For example;
    Fleet Excelsior
    Fleet Assault
    Fleet Avenger
    Monbosh

    Though for a real blast, go Klink and use a Fleet Torkaht, and show the Mogh users how its done.
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    baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    smokeybacon90 wrote: »
    Run double Aux2SIF on a 4 tac console cruiser as a tac captain and you're laughing.

    For example;
    Fleet Excelsior
    Fleet Assault
    Fleet Avenger
    Monbosh

    Though for a real blast, go Klink and use a Fleet Torkaht, and show the Mogh users how its done.

    you either mean aux2batt or aux2damp...
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    grendelthewise#0990 grendelthewise
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    edited January 2014
    mandoknight89 wrote: »
    The Fleet Excelsior, Sovereign, and Avenger (as well as their lockbox/Lobi store companions, the D'kora, Monbosh, and Galor) have an excellent blend of Engineering slots (for tank) and Tactical slots (for spank), and can run the flavor-of-the-month (for several months running) Aux2Batt build, which gives Engineering-heavy ships a way to basically double their high-level Tactical slots.

    Very well put. Totally agree with you.
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    redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2014
    Ok, so apparently I have pretty much all what you guys said, but from what I'm getting, if you use the spire consoles that give you crit chance and plasma, then use fleet plasma or rommie plasma, and the science cosnoles that boost your plasma damage, you have a DPS monster? But my question is, is this effective in PvP? I've heard that everyone and their brother's dog has plasma resist :( I currently use AP.
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    macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited January 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    Threads like this always make me ask myself "what this guy wants is something that can kill everything but cant be killed, doesnt he?"

    Answer is, built/flown right practically any ship can. But there is no i-win out of the box ship.

    JHAS would take exception with this philosophy if it wasn't too busy blowing up your ship.
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    For that particular combination my highest recomendation would be:

    Full beam Aux2Bat Fleet Excelsior. Can tank everything and anything, and hits like a wrecking ball.
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    redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    For that particular combination my highest recomendation would be:

    Full beam Aux2Bat Fleet Excelsior. Can tank everything and anything, and hits like a wrecking ball.

    So, is there a lockbox ship that can do that better? And I'm looking for a PvP build, not neccesarily PvE.
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    age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    smokeybacon90 wrote: »
    Run double Aux2SIF on a 4 tac console cruiser as a tac captain and you're laughing.

    For example;
    Fleet Excelsior
    Fleet Assault
    Fleet Avenger
    Monbosh

    Though for a real blast, go Klink and use a Fleet Torkaht, and show the Mogh users how its done.

    I don't see the difference in the fleet Ecselsior and the T4 or 5 one.

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Advanced_Heavy_Cruiser_Retrofit

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Advanced_Heavy_Cruiser_Retrofit

    Ok so it has slighltly more hps and 1 more tac consol and slighlt stronger shields.I can still do a lot of damage with my Advanced.
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    dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The recluse is the best, no competition dps/tank hybrid.
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    dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    age03 wrote: »
    I don't see the difference in the fleet Ecselsior and the T4 or 5 one.

    I'm guessing +10% hull and shields with an extra console slot...Boff layout may remain the same
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    baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    age03 wrote: »
    I don't see the difference in the fleet Ecselsior and the T4 or 5 one.

    fleet ships have 10 consoles, 10% more hull and normaly a 1.1 shield mod...this one has 4 tac instead of 3
    more info here and here

    there is no T4 excelsior, only T3 (c-store, this one was actually available for 180k EC before F2P hit)...there is also a T5 c-store version
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    age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I just saw that but I ma not going out of my way to get after i just got my Fleet Defiant even with white phaser cannons it puts out big #.
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    baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    age03 wrote: »
    I just saw that but I ma not going out of my way to get after i just my Fleet Defiant even with white phaser cannons it puts out big #.

    ??? i don't get it ???

    *edit: nevermind, didn't realise it is the comprehensive writing disorder guy again...or i guess "age03" is more a description than a name.
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    dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    ??? i don't get it ???

    I think he means the default weapons the ship comes with are awesome...
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    age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    ??? i don't get it ???

    *edit: nevermind, didn't realise it is the comprehensive writing disorder guy again...or i guess "age03" is more a description than a name.
    What don't you get professor?
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    baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    age03 wrote: »
    What don't you get professor?

    the way you structure your sentences, which makes them barely understandable...
    but it's cool, not easy to learn a second language. It's just really hard to understand most of the things you are trying to say.

    if you are not into the min-max thing, that is totally legit. No real need for fleet level ships in this game actually.

    *edit: i actually like the way fleet ships are implemented in the game. With fleet ship modules from the exchange, i can get new ships without spending real cash, and use my dilithium for other stuff.
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