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PvP Boot Camp Updates - 01/16/2014
pwebranflakes
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Community members from the PvP Boot Camp program check in to provide some important updates for participants and students, including information about the upcoming session and the latest edition of the STO PvP Boot Camp Companion Guide.
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So rather than promote bootcamp to teach new & old players alike on how to build a ship, use variuos tactics for said ship and how to team up together for the current best team flow, its poke fun instead?
Seems that sort of attitude does way more damage to new pvpers than the game supported school to help them as players to better pvp.
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You know, you're probably right.
Not constructive at all.
And if the entire STO PVP community was supporting the aims of this school then I'd be totally out of order.
But they're not.
There's no ranking or stat system from Cryptic, so PvP is like the exchange...player controlled.
And for every PvP person who generously puts their time into this bootcamp, there are six or so other PvP people waiting to roflstomp first timers.
It's not that there aren't good PvPers out there, its that they're in a minority.
Until cryptic take responsibility for PvP, and stop leaving it up to well intenioned players, this problem will persist.
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You guys put A LOT of work into that PVP guide ! I'm very impressed !
Great job and thanks for all the help with my builds !
Eh it mostly doesn't offer anything more than games made decades ago. Its just a death match system with TRIBBLE rewards or purpose to doing it. It's basically make what you want with it but unless there is some actual work on Cryptic's part put into it there won't be any purpose to doing it except to get some title that everyone gets for showing up.
Then grow the minority by supporting the growth of the new pvper. Fight the premade/pugmade stomps by forming your own premades/pugmades. Take the pvp fight to those whom pvp just to ruin somebodies day. Stand up and organize. Fight back. Make pvp better by forcing out the bad element.
Or lay the blaim soley on Cryptic for not being able to force better attitudes from those bad apples that make pvp less enjoyable.
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Really? How many bootcamp courses have you been in to know this to be all they teach?
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Players said the same Carriers when they first came. The same of BoPs. The same of Science spammers, Tactical ApO cyclers and Engineer zombies at one point.
They all eventually where countered by somebody's bright idea.
Learn the ropes and why/how things work or not and blaim the most current FOTM.
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I will definitely be linking it to people in my fleet.
Something I wanted to mention is, even if you don't choose to PvP, and have no desire to even consider it, Bootcamp is still an excellent source of knowledge and know-how to help your gameplay and skills. Also, if you aren't sure if you'd even want to complete the whole thing, I'd still recommend signing up for the first class and joining, since it has a great deal of information that is taught, and can help decide if you feel like going ahead and finishing it.
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This is what PvP BootCamp does for those who use it.
It removes the fear of not knowing. It instills confidence.
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People are not going to want to pvp till the que is fixed. As long as you have a broken que where groups of players are allowed to form teams with the express single purpose of destroying the que, not many are going to want to pvp.
Really, it's a simple fix. Just change the que. Add a team one, add a pug one and you will get people to pvp. Until that is done the rest of the stuff your doing to push pvp is a waste of time. The sad part about this entire thing is STO pvp is and can be fun but the que system is ruining the experience for a majority of players attempting to pvp.
One thing I dont understand is why ppl that hate PvP and have no iterest in participating in it, post in thread about it? I hate FPS games, and wont play one for the life of me, but I dont go to those forums, and argue with ppl who like it that their game is bad, and go around telling others that they should not play it -__-
Ahh, the fight fire with fire approach. Doesn't work half as often as people think.
Force better attitudes?
I'm sorry, but I've never suggested that.
what I have suggested is thats its Cryptics responsibility to make a working stat tracker and ranking system, preferably tied into a functional match making system.
Not quite what you accused me of, eh?
The reason I want this is because learning anything can be done in a number of ways.
Teaching, as exemplified by these bootcamps, is just one of them. And fair play to those putting the time into making them happening. I prolly shouldnt have been flippant earlier.
However, without that back end system which is Cryptics to make and nobody elses, the other means of mearning are made prohibitively tricky. Trial and error for instance. You need a certain, lets say, length of data to make that work. Roflstomping is too quick.
The backend system opens up possibilities for PvP. Its cryptics responsibility.
Without it, we run the risk of a monoculture in PvP. Where the things that people do are done because they were taught to. Historically, such an approach stifles innovation.
There may well be innovation now, but if we opened up PvP to allow true trial and error across all skill levels, then we'd see that whats happening now is a pale shadow of what should be happening.
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