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What if everthing was set to global cooldowns?
dahminus
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Ya ya...haters gonna hate.
But think about it; if you are smart, your doubling up on abilities, aux2batting or doffing to hit the gcd anyway. You sacrifice want vs need. Builds tend to stay pretty cookie cutter.
Bad/misinformed players don't even know about the global cool down and instead believe 1 ability is all you need.
It could be seen as more power creep...i understand that, but as it is...doubling abilities seems kind of...i want to say redundant...
Thoughts?
But think about it; if you are smart, your doubling up on abilities, aux2batting or doffing to hit the gcd anyway. You sacrifice want vs need. Builds tend to stay pretty cookie cutter.
Bad/misinformed players don't even know about the global cool down and instead believe 1 ability is all you need.
It could be seen as more power creep...i understand that, but as it is...doubling abilities seems kind of...i want to say redundant...
Thoughts?
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Pleas explain your meaning better, as I read it right now I see any time you use a power or ability everything would go on cooldown. If this is the case I pass, one torpedo has a 6 second cooldown on my build with two forward, two aft, now if the second bay is on that same 6 second cooldown instead or being ready 1/2 a sec later it's useless. Also if you look at reality one thing takes longer to do or recover from than another, it would make since that this would reflect ingame aswell.
It would suck.
TT: 15S cooldown
CRF 15S coolsdown ect..
I actually like Delta Rising.
You missed the point and that is my fault. Let me clear up the confusion with an example/scenario
Take cannon:scatter volley. You pop it and it goes to a 30 second cool down.
You decide to use 2 abilities of cannon scatter volley...the first when popped starts at 30 seconds as it should but the second copy starts at 15 seconds
Now you decide to use cannon rapid fire with the 2 aforementioned cannon scatter volleys...you pop cannon scatter volley and the duplicate csv. as well as the crf start at 15 seconds.
This 15 seconds cool down is know as the global cool down...there is no way to reduce this number.
My suggestion is that when you pop cannon scatter volley. It immediately starts at the 15 second cool down along with the cannon rapid fire.
Thusly remove the need of 1-2 potential abilities.
Everything has a global cool down, it may not be 15 seconds but everything does have a global cd
Hope that clears or up a bit
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Thats 15(Seconds...5/S look kinda similar :P)
Welll the idea would eliminate the cool down doffs, Also you would be able to change from attack pattern delta to beta to omega on the fly if you wanted to without hurting your self. Utilizing 2 eptX abilities, swapping from crf to csv based on how many mobs are there...
That was the idea anyway idea anyway
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Wait, wha?! So, you essentially want a gratuitous A2B for everyone?! (Sans the power transfer, but *with* a power-creep). Yeah, somehow I don't think they're gonna go for that. :P
Your the first to think the haters will hate...kinda odd. I was expecting the typical
no.../10 chars
followed by me asking why?
And them stating reasons
Then I try to debunk those reasons
And then I'm engulfed in flames
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No flames; no hate.
Why would they need to be removed, how about restructured. Not bashing your idea just a little tweek, as I said before something's take longer to do and or recover from so why not make the global cooldown reflect that in some way. Example:
Torpedo abilities, high yeld could put all torpedo abilities on a 15 second cd and wide spread could put them all on 20 (assuming ws takes more time to prep up what hy) the doffs could then be ways to reduce the global a particular ability, say ws from 20 sec to 15 sec. A2B could work in much the same way.
So basically, make the doff system almost obsolete? Id rather have the devs fix the broken doffs and adjust the functioning of the technician doff.
Technicians could remove the aux drain affect or I think they do something with aux in the non aux2bat form...
Didn't say you were, but you are on the same page as me in that there should be flaming going on
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Nothing reduces cool downs anymore.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
There are more then just cool down doffs....
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Even duplicate abilities? im fine with the doff aspect being removed or nerfed. But that is one hell of a wait time to use an ability. SNB would be even more scarey
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Second: as favoring sci its not my problem but, what about tac innitiative skill? Absolutely useless which would call for a replacement... any buff/debuff would pretty much make tac absolutely OP or would need a balancing which is never good (broken nerfed stuff).
And finally: many ppl claims that a2b builds are op, whether its true or not i can't tell, but with insta globals, the "OP" a2b ships sudenly gain 3 doff slot and 2 Lt. stations and bytheway every other ship would turn into a2b ship.
So overall i cant say its a good idea, at least not in the way u suggested.
Well, I can tell you one thing: I could make some wicked builds that way! Imagine a Fleet Excelsior that wouldn't need to do the A2B thingy, in order to have full Tact going on, all the time! I'd probably suddenly have an excess of Engineering stations, come to think of it. I was thinking iof replacing the 2x A2B positions with 2x A2D, for instance; but then I realized I'd only be needing 1 of those too.
In all seriousness, with all the power-creep already going, fun as some builds could become, I don't think we should be making it even twice as easy for ppl. But I'm not gonna bother you about it in your own thread any further. I think I made my position clear.
1. Fair point, but possible using beam/torpedo boff abilities...
2. Tactical initiative could reduce tact abilities by 5 seconds. Not game breaking and still a serious boost
3. Exactly, puts everyone on an even playing field for using or not using aux2bat...
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The power creep is so far ahead of content, really...what harm would it do. The before mentioned ignorant players would gain an amazing boon at the very least
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Dont want to argue but, i have to say i'm pve player so torps arent my stuff and i like full dhc/turret escorts and mixing with beam never worked out to me. So if tac initative give 5 sec cooldown...hmm... CRF3 with 100% uptime...+alpha strike... well i think u see the point.
And on the other hand with the insta globals, the FAW3+APB3+DEM and similarly strong build would do insane dmg and the game would be boooooooring, every1 had high uptime on strong skills and things would go boom too fast, so the game would be like 30 min of blowing up the known galaxy then nothing... sure thing having such an insta global on any of my ships would be fun, but becoming perma OP kills fun too fast to me, sorry but i still have to go against this idea
For full cannons, i see what your getting at, you are wasting boff slots anyway...no?
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This.
I could live with duplicate copies, if need be, but why someone thought it'd be a good idea to introduce ways of negating the number one balancing mechanism is beyond me.
As a compromise to the backlash, introduce some more skills across the board, as far as I'm concerned (viable low level eng comes to mind).
And lose my 25+ mil doffs in the process?! Um, no!
Honestly, between dahminus wanting to make things twice as easy, and you wanting to make them twice as difficult, this thread is getting just a little too chaotic for me.
So I can load every single skill in the game one every ship because there is no draw back... I never have to worry about dying because... I have heals up darn near perma like.
I don't think it would go all that well.... having said that... you make a good point as to what is one of the major issues with the game right now.
There are to many ways to defeat cool downs. All the cool down doffs could be deleted and things would likely be much cleaner. As far as people running 2 copies... well sort of a draw back to that isn't there.
The people that really really don't know better are either doing PvE in which case they get by just fine... those that are infecting pvp need to be taught, they may be nooby now but that is correctable.
I also want to take away your D'Kora, mobius and all your other lockbox ships :P
Having said that cooldown reductions and specifically doffs are one of the major issues this game has in balance. You got attack pattern, beam and cannon ones which are stupidly rare and out of reach to most casual players.
I still stand by what I say about aux to battery and that is it's popularity has shot up so much mostly because of how easy/cheap it is to get the doffs. If I had 3 Zemoks (Rugal for kdf) on every character I wouldn't touch aux to battery with a heavy graviton beam.
Monetizing performance was a terrible idea to begin with and has led to Pay to Win or in some cases Pay to Fail. I still cry a little whenever I parse a JHAS lower than 5k...
Also a warm welcome to Antonio, not seen you in this section before
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
OH OH I CAN ANSWER THAT!!!!! 1 DBB w/ BO pweor, 2 DHC's with 1 CRF and 1 CSV, and a BA, with FAW. Maybe throw in a torp or mine and corresponding piece
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Awwww
Well, I possess those stupidly rare doffs, and I bought them at stupidly rare prices. :P
Why not?! They rock! The Zemoks are amongst the best purchases I ever made. And I *do* have 3 of them (turns out I only needed 2, LOL, but when was math ever my thang? LOL) Slap on a Hamlet to boot, and you're good to go!
A(greed) :P
Even *I do over 10k these days. So, lower than 5k for JHAS, that seems odd.
N.B. Actually, not to ruin it for my own side, but yesterday, during a run of ISE, I noticed on of the 4 Nanite Generators was still up (apparently nobody had noticed it, me included). It didn't matter none: the Transformer went down regardless, easy-peasy. That's when I briefly thought: "Okay, maybe bpharma *does* have a small point."