Three of the Omega sets have more shield capacity. All of the other sets have more attributes (eg, +5 to engines or something), and the MACO shield is a resilient shield, so it has reduced bleed-through to hull. If you got three 10% buffs stacked up then okay you would have a crappy shield with a lot of capacity. It sure isnt worth having to use all three pieces to get the bonus.
If I were going to use anything from these sets it would be one of the engines, and then I would probably couple it with the Nukara deflector (best shield-tanking deflector), and the MACO shield, or some combination like that, but even that would depend on the ship and the tactics, and I'm not suggesting you should do it I'm saying that its the only piece I would use for anything.
I have Reman, MACO, and Omega shields now and those numbers are not right. Or at least the wiki is using ships with different modifiers so you can't make an informed comparison. On my science ship, Reman is 11.8k, MACO 9.8k, omega is 8.8k, and borg 7.9k, I don't play klingon so I can't test honor guard but since I don't have access to it a comparison is moot anyway.
I keep asking myself...why are so many people using the reman shield? I see it constantly and kept wondering if the set is good. I think people like how it makes their ship look pretty...
That'd probably explain why it's an issue I simply don't understand. PvP is broken on very basic and fundamental levels, and has been that way since launch...
Unless they build a game around it, PvP is and always will be unbalanced in favor of those with the ubergear they got for the regular game. To force "balance" would require either giving everyone the same ubergear or not allowing anyone access to it and forcing them to play the same set of PvP designed ships.
Can you imagine the spit-storm if they were to do either?
I keep asking myself...why are so many people using the reman shield? I see it constantly and kept wondering if the set is good. I think people like how it makes their ship look pretty...
So far I only have the shield ... but it does look very nice and the capacity is tops. Even the blue version from Coliseum beats a lot of purple mk xis I think. I still need to get the other pieces to try the bonuses, and of course the deflector is subpar at best just by looking at the stats.
I keep asking myself...why are so many people using the reman shield? I see it constantly and kept wondering if the set is good. I think people like how it makes their ship look pretty...
For me, because it's easy to get and has nice capacity, a highlight of this set. The rest of the set is not that good, but the shield is a good placeholder till you can get something with better set bonuses.
It is shield problem. Of the 3 pieces the deflector means little, the engines are a nice to have (if it has nice traits on it) and the shields are the jewel. The romulan/reman shields are poor, high bleed through, low regen, and a high capacity only after being attacked. The Maco or fleet is far better, and if the romulan/reman shields had the same stats as the fleet or maco then you'd see some large adoptation to them, but you won't outside of it making things pretty.
It is shield problem. Of the 3 pieces the deflector means little, the engines are a nice to have (if it has nice traits on it) and the shields are the jewel. The romulan/reman shields are poor, high bleed through, low regen, and a high capacity only after being attacked. The Maco or fleet is far better, and if the romulan/reman shields had the same stats as the fleet or maco then you'd see some large adoptation to them, but you won't outside of it making things pretty.
Someone should ask the devs what they were thinking with the shield and deflector then :rolleyes:
Just because it requires T5 rep, does not necessarily mean it is an endgame set. Even devs have said that the Nukara and Romulan sets are not of the same level as Omega...
Considering the costs are almost equal across the board and Omega actually being the easiest & most rewarding rep (in terms of other things you get while doing it) to level casually, that's a very disingenuous thing to say unless they're tacitly admitting the other sets suck but they're too lazy to change a few numbers.
If you're after pure defense, offense, you will not like the Romulan/Reman space set. The set is geared towards offensive, sciencey builds. It is not a TRIBBLE-for-tat replacement for MACO / Adapted KHG, nor even science leaning Omega Space or KHG / Adapted MACO Sets.
If you intend to use Grav Well based abilities (Tractor Beams, TB Repulsors, Grav Well) and Particle Gen stuff also like Eject Warp Plasma, Theta Radiation Vents, Isometric Charge, Ionized Particle Beam (nasty Mogai console) and Photonic Shockwave, the deflector is very good. The deflector is one of the few that gives Subspace Decompiler, which is a hard stat to raise up. Photonic Shockwave also needs Particle Gen & Subspace Decompiler for effectiveness.
The bonus for better performing Plasma Torps is nice if you're one of those that live off the Omega Plasma or Romulan Hyper-Plasma Torps. The Particle Gen bonus makes the dot better, but not by that much.
Side note, the Romulan Deflector @ Mk XII has a 2% Stealth Detection bonus, the same as the Jem'Hadar Deflector Mk XII, which has a nasty reputation for finding cloaked ships.
Not too fond of the shield though, because there is no inherent resists to anything and you're relying on a proc while getting shot at to increase shield capacity from the 3 piece bonus. If the capacity was much higher, or had resists, then I'd consider it in a better light. Even at a maxed out 50% extra capacity at full stack of 10 procs, I'm not impressed. They still go down rather quickly. If you want good Covariant shields, the KHG or Elite Fleet versions are superior:
- KHG has plasma resist, accuracy penalty to attackers, and can placate.
- Elite Fleet Covariant Shields can stack great resists.
For the Warbirds, IMO, it can be optimal on the Mogai (Beam Overload 3 followed up with Ionized Particle Beam is a nasty double tap). The Dhelan with its LtCdr SCI station can make use of the set well, as does the Ha'nom and D'Deridex. They all have a leaning towards SCI.
I just hit t5 Romulan rep and was looking into these sets and surprised that opinions seem to be universally negative. The stats on the engines and shields don't look that bad (imo better than their borg counterparts) and ok sure the deflector is terrible combining graviton generators and subspace decompiler - two skills almost nobody uses together - but it still doesn't strike me as stay away awful with the set bonuses taken into account. So what am I missing?
As a set it's not that sterling. Can be a slight boost if you're running Rom Plasma with the torp. But not really worth it. However I will say that my Tac Captains almost always run the Rom engine (especially with an AP build) as it has a nice boost to attack patterns which can really boost your Crits. I also like to run the Omega deflector on those builds for the boost to accuracy. A really good AP build will boost Crits and accuracy anywhere you can (anything over 100% accuracy, after factoring in your opponents defense, rolls over to Crits).
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If you intend to use Grav Well based abilities (Tractor Beams, TB Repulsors, Grav Well) and Particle Gen stuff also like Eject Warp Plasma, Theta Radiation Vents, Isometric Charge, Ionized Particle Beam (nasty Mogai console) and Photonic Shockwave, the deflector is very good. The deflector is one of the few that gives Subspace Decompiler, which is a hard stat to raise up. Photonic Shockwave also needs Particle Gen & Subspace Decompiler for effectiveness.
Good point about Photonic Shockwave, I guess that is one ability capable of using the deflector to its fullest. I think I may just try that.
Finally got 2 pieces... and not feeling it. Engines are a sidegrade from Jem'Hadar Mk XI even tho they're 1 grade higher, and shields are nothing special (using Romulan set). Reman shields may be better trading regen for capacity, but it's too expensive to try right now
Considering the costs are almost equal across the board and Omega actually being the easiest & most rewarding rep (in terms of other things you get while doing it) to level casually, that's a very disingenuous thing to say unless they're tacitly admitting the other sets suck but they're too lazy to change a few numbers.
I agree with you, all reputation sets should be on the same level...
Maybe one day the devs will make them equal, but for now it is Omega or go home in their eyes....
I use the 2 PC Romulan set w/ an Elite Fleet shield. While I agree with the other posters the deflector and engine stats aren't setting the world on fire, in my build (super tanky FHEC w/ Omega and Hyper ROM torps), the 2 PC bonus is indespensible. I'm generally pretty competitive in PvP and near immortal in PvE w/ that defense bonus.
I'm trying to do something similar with my JHEC. Would you mind linking your build? I've been looking into the Reman/Romulan set for a while now, but I don't want to invest in it if it doesn't do that much for the build.
The Borg Deflector and Engines and an Elite shield seem to work really well for me, but If I could squeeze a little more usefulness out of my build, then I'll go for it.
There are two ways I look at this stuff, one is to look at the individual pieces, the other is to look at the set bonuses.
The pieces tend to be very niche or just bad in some cases. The deflectors have a lot of graviton gens and decompiler (duration), which makes them good for tractor beam hold but not much else (the are not even good for TB damage). The engines look very good for speed and turning, and have some good skill bonuses (attack patterns vs defense) and may be competitive with Omega engines for overall performance in the right setup. The shields are very plain with no compelling attribute at all.
As for set bonuses, the 2-piece gives your High Yield plasma torps better speed and defense (harder to shoot down), but you can only use high-yield BOFF ability every 30 seconds, so it is really just irrelevant for the most part. Meanwhile the 3-piece has a 10% chance to buff your shield capacity, but the starting value is fiarly low and you would need a whole lot of buffs just to get the same capacity as you would get from a MACO shield to start with and once that happened you would still be better off with the MACO shield because of the secondary attributes.
So basically the individual pieces are mostly just weird and the set bonuses are junk. The engines are the only thing that is close to being competitive with other end-game items, and those might be useful in combination with some other gear for specific tailored builds, but thats all.
If you only want the look, just use the shield
Just wanted to point out that running if one were to run two copies of HY, you can use it every 15 seconds instead of 30.
They should have given the shields some 10% resistance vs phaser or disruptor weapons, or maybe polaron any really but an innate energy resistance of some sort would drastically make the shiled array a little bit desirable besides its looks.
They should have given the shields some 10% resistance vs phaser or disruptor weapons, or maybe polaron any really but an innate energy resistance of some sort would drastically make the shiled array a little bit desirable besides its looks.
I wouldn't mind a chance to apply a plasma burn to attackers, would fit the Romulan theme. I just noticed the dyson set looks nice with a coherent theme too...
I use the Reman and Singularity Harness on a "Warbird" Galaxy Dreadnaught build that I made for fun, and I plan on running the both sets on at least one ship on my Romulan main. Other than that, I don't think it's all that worth it with anything else. You need to run plasma beams and torpedoes to get the most out of it, anything else and you're just wasting potential. If you're using another damage type I'd go with the MACO/KHG/Omega, Jem'Hadar, or even the Aegis set personally.
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Yup, it seems like sets that have an overall design philosophy (borg in particular) are way better than sets that feel cobbled together.
Aye. Borg deflector + Borg engine + elite fleet shield is my go-to combo almost every time.
I have Reman, MACO, and Omega shields now and those numbers are not right. Or at least the wiki is using ships with different modifiers so you can't make an informed comparison. On my science ship, Reman is 11.8k, MACO 9.8k, omega is 8.8k, and borg 7.9k, I don't play klingon so I can't test honor guard but since I don't have access to it a comparison is moot anyway.
Unless they build a game around it, PvP is and always will be unbalanced in favor of those with the ubergear they got for the regular game. To force "balance" would require either giving everyone the same ubergear or not allowing anyone access to it and forcing them to play the same set of PvP designed ships.
Can you imagine the spit-storm if they were to do either?
So far I only have the shield ... but it does look very nice and the capacity is tops. Even the blue version from Coliseum beats a lot of purple mk xis I think. I still need to get the other pieces to try the bonuses, and of course the deflector is subpar at best just by looking at the stats.
For me, because it's easy to get and has nice capacity, a highlight of this set. The rest of the set is not that good, but the shield is a good placeholder till you can get something with better set bonuses.
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Someone should ask the devs what they were thinking with the shield and deflector then :rolleyes:
Considering the costs are almost equal across the board and Omega actually being the easiest & most rewarding rep (in terms of other things you get while doing it) to level casually, that's a very disingenuous thing to say unless they're tacitly admitting the other sets suck but they're too lazy to change a few numbers.
If you intend to use Grav Well based abilities (Tractor Beams, TB Repulsors, Grav Well) and Particle Gen stuff also like Eject Warp Plasma, Theta Radiation Vents, Isometric Charge, Ionized Particle Beam (nasty Mogai console) and Photonic Shockwave, the deflector is very good. The deflector is one of the few that gives Subspace Decompiler, which is a hard stat to raise up. Photonic Shockwave also needs Particle Gen & Subspace Decompiler for effectiveness.
The bonus for better performing Plasma Torps is nice if you're one of those that live off the Omega Plasma or Romulan Hyper-Plasma Torps. The Particle Gen bonus makes the dot better, but not by that much.
Side note, the Romulan Deflector @ Mk XII has a 2% Stealth Detection bonus, the same as the Jem'Hadar Deflector Mk XII, which has a nasty reputation for finding cloaked ships.
Not too fond of the shield though, because there is no inherent resists to anything and you're relying on a proc while getting shot at to increase shield capacity from the 3 piece bonus. If the capacity was much higher, or had resists, then I'd consider it in a better light. Even at a maxed out 50% extra capacity at full stack of 10 procs, I'm not impressed. They still go down rather quickly. If you want good Covariant shields, the KHG or Elite Fleet versions are superior:
- KHG has plasma resist, accuracy penalty to attackers, and can placate.
- Elite Fleet Covariant Shields can stack great resists.
For the Warbirds, IMO, it can be optimal on the Mogai (Beam Overload 3 followed up with Ionized Particle Beam is a nasty double tap). The Dhelan with its LtCdr SCI station can make use of the set well, as does the Ha'nom and D'Deridex. They all have a leaning towards SCI.
As a set it's not that sterling. Can be a slight boost if you're running Rom Plasma with the torp. But not really worth it. However I will say that my Tac Captains almost always run the Rom engine (especially with an AP build) as it has a nice boost to attack patterns which can really boost your Crits. I also like to run the Omega deflector on those builds for the boost to accuracy. A really good AP build will boost Crits and accuracy anywhere you can (anything over 100% accuracy, after factoring in your opponents defense, rolls over to Crits).
Good point about Photonic Shockwave, I guess that is one ability capable of using the deflector to its fullest. I think I may just try that.
I agree with you, all reputation sets should be on the same level...
Maybe one day the devs will make them equal, but for now it is Omega or go home in their eyes....
I'm trying to do something similar with my JHEC. Would you mind linking your build? I've been looking into the Reman/Romulan set for a while now, but I don't want to invest in it if it doesn't do that much for the build.
The Borg Deflector and Engines and an Elite shield seem to work really well for me, but If I could squeeze a little more usefulness out of my build, then I'll go for it.
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Just wanted to point out that running if one were to run two copies of HY, you can use it every 15 seconds instead of 30.
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I wouldn't mind a chance to apply a plasma burn to attackers, would fit the Romulan theme. I just noticed the dyson set looks nice with a coherent theme too...
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