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The Achilles. Did everyone forget about it?
mikey002
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So what ever happened to the Achilles? It played a roll in the Dominion war but seems to be forgotten about. Am I the only one who wants this ship in the game? I think it should of been added instead of the avenger.
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It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
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What would be cool is if there was an Achilles/K'vort hybrid cross faction ship that both sides can buy lol
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
That is better than nothing, I suppose. Still, I fail to see why more effort could be made to make more designs that are similar enough to be reminiscent of ships seen in other games, yet different enough to not cause a "copyright infringement".
Because doing something like that would require Cryptic walking a very fine line and could hurt them in the long run. Some game company that is hurting for money could sue Cryptic for using a ship that is similar to their ship. So either Cryptic has to get their permission for using a ship similar to it or just not bother with getting into that mess.
I don't think that is the case look at the bortasqu' and then look at the bohemoth from star craft.
Can't find anything about a Bohemoth. There is some similarities between the Behemoth and Bortasqu', but there are far more differences in design. They only share a basic shape. Legalities are always based on a certain percentage of a product matching another. If a product is 75% similar, then there are legal issues. If a product is only 30% similar, then there are no legal issues. Don't know the actual number, the 75% and 30% are only examples.
And yet, the numerous crossover/in-jokes in the series could easily consitute a copyright violation. When the property is owned by the same company, they can get away with it, but not all of them are.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/crossovers.htm
While it is true that my argument only applys to the series, it can be used as the presidence as far as "fair use" is concerned. Time change and people who did loose cases 10 or more years ago have been able to reargue their cases and win more recently.
LOL surprised there its not hard to find and it is the exact same thing lol
This basically. I'd love to have it added but it isn't likely to happen. Nothing stopping Cryptic from creating a similar ship though if they wanted to (they just need to make it look completely different to avoid issues).
The new Avenger class is vaguely similar to the Achilles. It doesn't have the Achilles phalanx torpedo system though.
And the Behemoth has a similar shape to numerous Klingon ships. Only difference is the front portion of the ship. The Raptor-class and Vor'cha-class have the same basic ship as the Behemoth and Bortasqu'. So Starcraft is the one that is copying Star Trek ships. Also, there is enough differences between the Bortasqu' and Behemoth that they are not the same ship.
Look at the D7 from the top
http://www.philgiunta.com/plasticgalaxy/photos_full/d7_top.jpg
and you'll see it already has a vestigal hammerhead almost 30 years before Starcraft came out. And as I recall from a post that's what Captn Logan went with: the good'ol D7 since he claimed he never played Starcraft.
As for the Bortas line and their similarity to the Starcraft Battlecruiser, I'd bet a few Zen that there was at least some element of homage to it (like the disruptor autocannon v. the Yamato Cannon), but there are more than enough differences in the ships, the game, and the IP that there should be no realistic case for copyright violations.
Heck, it reminds of when Champions Online introducing the VERY Sith-like "Unleashed" character archetype shortly before The Old Republic launched.
Agreed, it does have a type of torpedo system on it though. I really do believe the Avenger was STO's attempt at an Achilles. With your command set to Weapons.
"While the Weapon System Efficiency cruiser command is active, or no cruiser commands are active, the V.A.T.A. will fire a pair of Quantum Armament Projectiles. These projectiles launch Micro Quantum Torpedoes at a nearby target every second. Upon impact, the Quantum Armament Projectiles will detonate, dealing very high kinetic damage. The Quantum Armament Projectiles and its Micro Torpedoes lack any secondary effects, but deal significantly more damage."
Much like the Phalanx torpedo system. They are roughly the same size and I would assume crew compliment. Both are the only Federation warships ever made. Avenger being STO's and the Achilles being any other Star trek game they show up in. The look maybe varied but the idea for the Design of the Avenger was a ship able to bring enough firepower to a fight as well as operate deep in enemy lines. The Achilles was designed to do just that.
"The Defiant-class had too limited an operating range, the Klingon B'rel had the stealth but lacked the firepower, and while the Galaxy and Negh'Var had the range, they were considered too expensive to be feasible for this role."
I think the Avenger is the closest thing we will see to an Achilles class warship.
The vast new array of heavy destroyers, assault cruisers, and many flavors of dedicated tactical vessel would beg to differ.
I would almost agree with you. But they are just refitted designs they already have. Anything new they have made such as the Odyssey, is still classified as an exploration cruiser. Big and powerful, but not a warship. Just like the dominion war, current ships are being outfitted to be more battle ready. But not a single new ship has been designed as a warship. Like the Avenger and Achilles. The defiant could be argued as a warship, but I think its size is an issue
Now we have the Prometheus, which I would say is Star treks warship, which was also from the Dominion war. But it wasn't created by a game company, and STO is able to use it. So that would bring the Feds to only two, dedicated warships.
Well I HAD forgotten about that abomination... now you reminded me...
Also, it's not, as most have said, a original ship and played no part in the Dominion wars what so ever...
Well not as Star trek Cannon no. It was only seen in the Dominion Wars game, as just a new ship the game company used.
Point is: It belongs to another company... it's not worth wasting money on, when they could allocate said funds to current game development.
Achilles Class (Dorsal In-game View)
Original Concept Art
ModDB Concept
Fan Concept by Admiral Horton (DA)
Overall this was my favorite Federation vessel that I thought was made for combat just like the Defiant and the Prometheus. The few and far between Warships of the Federation all have their distinct flavor. The Defiant Class is a fast, maneuverable, and small combat ship that requires small crew compliments and can dodge weapon fire while still packing a punch. The Prometheus was designed to be able to out gun an enemy by attacking it from multiple directions with three Warp-Capable sections of the ship independently operating.
I wanted this to be the third warship of the fleet. And like other warships this also has a special feature. In the Intro Video of Dominion Wars (and in the final patch gameplay), the Achilles class had a feature that was unlike any other; the Phalanx Array. The Phalanx Array was a set of multiple rows of torpedo launchers arrayed on the dorsal side of the primary hull. These launchers would cripple ships that would happen to fly over the Achilles' dorsal quarter with a volley of torpedoes. Combined with also the forward facing Pulsed Phaser Cannons, this vessel was deadly to the Dominion.
I was hoping that this could be introduced into the Federation. It can be bought in the C-Store and is available to Rear-Admirals or higher. It also sacrifices one of the Aft Weapon Slots that a Tier 5 Escort would normally have so that there is an extra console slot for the Phalanx array. Here is a idea of what its stats would look like. But they are not final!
Rank: Rear Admiral
Tier: 5
Type: Escort
Hull: 33,000
Standard Shields: 4,400 (Mk X)
Shield Modifier: 0.85
Weapons: 4 Fore ; 2 Aft
Crew: 720
Bridge Officers: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Lieutenant Universal
Device Slots: 2
Consoles: 5 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 2 Science
Turn Rate: 12
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Inertia Rating: 50
Bonus Power: +10 Weapons +10 Engines
Cost: 2000 Zen
Abilities: Phalanx Array
Exclusive Items:
Phalanx Array Tactical Console (Achilles Only; Bound): Enables the Achilles to utilize the Phalanx Array. Only attacks vessels in Dorsal, and 45 Degree vectors on Port and Starboard.
The cost of licensing the Achilles would probably be somewhere in the same cost of 'Michael Dorn doing a voice over'...
Also since this point has not been beaten into the ground enough at this point:
The Achilles class has beeen suggested so often that using the SEARCH FUNCTION (which exists for a reason) gives you a whole page of results on it. And that's just those with the name in the title.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/search.php?searchid=79137641
here's the official stance on the subject:
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=800861
Plus, the specs you listed aren't even legal. TWO Commander slots and THREE Lieutenant slots? Are you out of your MIND? Fed doesn't need more ships, any new ship is already treading on the toes of an existing ship. KDF and Rom need more ships, but Rom doesn't need more escorts. No more freaking Romulan Escorts!
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The federation has so many ships as it is, you have a ship for every possible build and yet people want more. I would rather see the KDF or the Romulans get more ships (yes even the Silver Spoon Romulans could do with more ships and i really hate romulans at times).
If the issue is that the current ships need a revamp fair enough phrase it like that but asking for more ships especially way overpowered ships is just blah. Don't be greedy feds it makes us look bad. Roms need more Cruiser and Science type ships and KDF need more Sciencey ships. Plus that and the BoFF layout is ridiculous you may as well ask for a ship that has one button on it titled "I Win" on any enemy.