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Transphasics: A Fix
hasukurobi
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Anyone who really understands how torpedoes work are aware that transphasic torpedoes are the most worthless torps in the game. Why? Because they fly slowly, have too long of a cool down, deal too little damage, and their bleed through hardly makes a difference.
You have to work REALLY hard to make these Torps effective at ALL and you could have done better with energy weapons.
So here is my proposal for making them relevant again:
Make Transphasics fly as fast as a Photon Torpedo. (I believe that is pretty much their current speed but bear with me)
Make their Cooldown the same as Quantums.
Increase their damage output to match Photons or be slightly better but not as high as Quantums.
Get rid of their shield penetration ability and replace it by making it so that Transphasic Torpedoes ignore 100% of Hull resistance.
They should NOT be able to get benefits from negative resistances. Instead they will always treat any damage they deal to hull as if the hull had 0 Kinetic Damage Resistance including the damage they deal as bleedthrough from shields.
However, they will not have any extra damage against shields.
Also you could give them essentially the Nanite Proc that would increase the bleedthrough of everything hitting that ship's shields for a short time if it procs.
You have to work REALLY hard to make these Torps effective at ALL and you could have done better with energy weapons.
So here is my proposal for making them relevant again:
Make Transphasics fly as fast as a Photon Torpedo. (I believe that is pretty much their current speed but bear with me)
Make their Cooldown the same as Quantums.
Increase their damage output to match Photons or be slightly better but not as high as Quantums.
Get rid of their shield penetration ability and replace it by making it so that Transphasic Torpedoes ignore 100% of Hull resistance.
They should NOT be able to get benefits from negative resistances. Instead they will always treat any damage they deal to hull as if the hull had 0 Kinetic Damage Resistance including the damage they deal as bleedthrough from shields.
However, they will not have any extra damage against shields.
Also you could give them essentially the Nanite Proc that would increase the bleedthrough of everything hitting that ship's shields for a short time if it procs.
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However, i dont use them (or any other torp) for pvp
Um... i use transphasics on my Sci/B'rel and they are absolutely devastating combined with gravity well/tractor beam and my sci powers.
Who needs to worry about shields when ALL OF YOUR DAMAGE IS GOING STRAIGHT TO THEIR HULL!
Ive one shot players with a crit on my breen cluster before.
Worthless? Just no.
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Sucker reloads as fast as a proton torpedo, and I've never noticed slow flight times. Hit high yield and they fly plenty fine.
Get the quick reload transphasic.
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This ^
2 or 3 transphasic torps + cluster up front, with the PWO doffs, for a steady stream of torps. GW/TBR/EWP for additional ticks. Subnuke for HE/APO. Makes for some very unhappy shield and speed tankers.
The Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedoes reload as fast as a Quantum at 8 seconds, shaving 2 seconds off the reload on the standard variants.
Every weapon has its pros and cons. Knowing what they are and how they compare helps.
still faster than any other transphasic. And sure only an XI better than X or below. I still use it and it's a great launcher.
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"They should NOT be able to get benefits from negative resistances. Instead they will always treat any damage they deal to hull as if the hull had 0 Kinetic Damage Resistance including the damage they deal as bleedthrough from shields."
That would make them x10 worse then now. At least they are useful now, that change would make them useless.
this man speaks the truth.
fix torps, then we worry about balance.
honestly just cause ur statement is so arrogant i just had to react.
trans are one of the best used torpedo in the game ..a pain in every pvp ..and the best thing is ..their best mod ..the rapid ones are free no charge .
a brel with them is one classic option ..also the tvaro ..blah blah blah ..they are a very useful ..some would say the only useful torpedo out of the "normal" (not lobi /zen ) ones.
Transphasics are weaker than other torpedos against an exposed hull, but they work very well against shielded targets. They are also one of the few damage types with enough specialty launchers to run a dedicated torpedo build(Plasma being the other for a single damage type setup).
In my opinion, Chronitons are the most in need of some love. They have a painfully long cooldowns for their damage output and their specialty launchers are hard to acquire.
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Breen Cluster is a whole other thing and is mines. The Transphasic Mines are perhaps the best Mines in the game outside of Nakura but that is not always saying much.
I have been hit by boats specializing in Transphasic Torps with Torp High Yield III and they STILL failed to scratch off more than 15% hull. So at the moment with their HORRIBLY low DPS they are really not that great. If you tried to do the same thing with Quantums you would have much better results even THROUGH shields. Also burn procs deal way more damage through shields.
Moreover, as someone mentioned they do need to fix torps in general but for Transphasics you can really show how energy weapons clearly make them obsolete to the point of sadness.
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60% may be over the top. 45% maybe?
Anyway, with Season 8 approaching i expect variants of the Voth torpedoes to become available combining transphasic and chroniton.
Who gives a DAMN about dps?
its about spike damage. 30-70k damage straight to the hull...
i find your bragging about 15% hull scratches completely BS too. I play my brel almost every single day and I have yet to meet a ship of any kind or build that doesnt drop at least a quarter to a half of their hull on my initial attack run.
Each torpedo hit does over 2000 hull damage (ive seen crits of over 8000 too). Each one. Do you think I am just firing ONE torp and nothing else? No, I am firing over 10 at you as I am closing in, and dropping my GW/Subnuke/Sensorscan/tractor beam, breen cluster and nukara mines on you
You might survive if you are quick on your HEs/MW/or ET. Then i come back around during your CD and drop another load.
Dont make non factual statements, especially not to me. I know what my little bop can do, I play it daily and was actually PvPing with it less than a half hour ago.
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Which in turn is reduced by covariant shields, i know.
The biggest problem is that bleed through from quantums is often higher than the transphasic damage.
A small increase may be warranted, but it'll have to be done with baby steps or it'll go OP in the blink of an eye.
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The thing is with 3 purple projectile doffs quantum fire at pretty much the same speed as the photons as long as we are not talking single launchers. Plus your photons are not firing every second that?s double the max speed possible. Due to the limit on firing speed x2 quantum with doffs will out damage x2 Photons. The only time photons are worth is if only 1 is fitted or with the photon defense console and possibly the new photon set.
I just noticed they are 2 sec longer to cooldown than Q's