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darthconnor1701
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Ok so Geko said that the G-X was gonna get some stuff added and they were working on getting the Saucer Separation to work on it. Personally I could care less just want a fleet version with a few more tac options. But thought I make just a thread with what ppl want for a redone Gal-X.
My choices are
1. Make it 5 forward 3 rear weapons. Only twist being that the Lance is the 5th weapon and it can be changed to any damage type by buying special Lance weapon off Dilithium store or your fleet store. Still have the 3 min cooldown shot that is like a bo. This way you could get a version of the lance in any damage you want and have a mod that increases its accuracy.
2. A commander Tac esign tac with Lt com Engineer Lt engineer and lt science for stations.
3. Give the fleet version a 4th tac console.
3. Make the Cloak console an innate power. Only gets two cruiser commands so don't see that as being a big deal. Also would be killer since it's cloak is most likely based off a Romulan cloak that it would get the turn bonus like the Romulan warbirds do while cloaked.
Think those are my big three though as for number two I'd be happy with Com Engineer Lt commander Tac Lt Tac Lt Science and En engineer so it still has unique BO slots for the Fed side.
Just a thread for fun thoughts, doubtful the Devs will really take any ideas as Geko sounded like he had ideas of his own (not crazy bout a hanger but guess I'd use it if they stuck on on the G-X).
My choices are
1. Make it 5 forward 3 rear weapons. Only twist being that the Lance is the 5th weapon and it can be changed to any damage type by buying special Lance weapon off Dilithium store or your fleet store. Still have the 3 min cooldown shot that is like a bo. This way you could get a version of the lance in any damage you want and have a mod that increases its accuracy.
2. A commander Tac esign tac with Lt com Engineer Lt engineer and lt science for stations.
3. Give the fleet version a 4th tac console.
3. Make the Cloak console an innate power. Only gets two cruiser commands so don't see that as being a big deal. Also would be killer since it's cloak is most likely based off a Romulan cloak that it would get the turn bonus like the Romulan warbirds do while cloaked.
Think those are my big three though as for number two I'd be happy with Com Engineer Lt commander Tac Lt Tac Lt Science and En engineer so it still has unique BO slots for the Fed side.
Just a thread for fun thoughts, doubtful the Devs will really take any ideas as Geko sounded like he had ideas of his own (not crazy bout a hanger but guess I'd use it if they stuck on on the G-X).
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2. Never going to happen, they want this to be an Engineering ship, most your going to get is a Universal somewhere.
3. This is actually highly likely to happen.
4. Never going to happen, and it's not going to grant the powers of a Romulan Battle Cloak. The Cloak will always be a Console and the Fleet version won't have it. Much like the Defiant you need the C-Store version to get the Cloaking Console.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
The above standard lance shot can co-exist with the present "Yamato-Cannon" lance firing mode on seperate cooldown timers, so those who use the Gal-X now need not worry about nerfs to their sniper-style tactics.
Why do the federation fan mob always want what the other races have
No fed cruiser will ever have a commander tac don't be ridiculous their strengths lie in commander eng if you can't see that then maybe you should play another game
No fed ship will or should ever have an innate cloak never mind a battle cloak
A hangar??? Where on earth or off earth are you living
1. Balance of races maybe, cause everyone wants to have the cool toys. Pick one or the other don't matter to me.
2. Never say never and maybe in your eyes their strength lie there but to me I'd like to try something new and different. Considering we don't have one would be cool to have a cruiser with tac commander though I don't think it will happen as I said at bottom where I listed another Bo slot assignment I'd like.
3. Disagree with ya. Personally as both it and the defiant had one I think they should be innate course I think all tier 5 ships should keep their console slots and get the power from the console they currently come with. 3 piece sets would give a console so you can pick which ship you want and get the bonuses but would only have to use consoles from the other two ships.
4. The hanger I don't know maybe I heard it in a podcast where they said they had an idea to add a hanger. Maybe you should try listening to them instead of coming in here insulting ppl that heard their ideas.
Think you're in wrong thread. This is ideas we like to see whether they actually will happen or not. If you don't have any ideas there other G-X threads where you can complain so please move to one of them. It's simply put a thread or wishlist for just fun ideas ppl have about alterations done to a ship they meaning the devs said they were looking to upgrade before they release the Fleet version.
Cruisers. Don't. Get. Commander. Tac. Period. And if you build it right you don't need it anyway.
Might be doable.
PLEASE do this.
And it doesn't need a hangar.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Personally, I'd be happy with a better lance and another console or two to start.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
..for all intense and purposes should be the rommy counterpart,crew hull size,etc...claok is meh, most ppl take it off anyway....
before season 5, galaxy x and defiant have an integrated cloack, it was a ship abilitie that you aquired when buying the ship.
i don't remember about the defiant but the galaxy x got a third tact console slot for transforming the cloack into a console.
one would said it is an fair trade while i would question the fact that a tier 5 ship got only 8 console in the first place.
as usual with the galaxy x, unesplicable hold on it stats.
a hangar? indeed where on earth, correction, on universe are you living?
to my great dissapointement gecko mentioned it several time in the last podcast interview wich mean that he seriously thinking about adding one.
give me your transponding coordonate universe so i can see my future galaxy x without a hangar been added please.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
that is in the spirit of the ship and would be gladly welcome.
it would also justify the name dreadnought and the only 2 cruiser command that we have.
i have already loose my integrated cloack long time ago, can i please keep my integrated lance?
because if that happened you can be sure it will be at the expense of an other ship stats. not that i am against the idea to be able to switch weapons type, but trading a weapons slot for it is not a good idea and certainly not worth it.
for the record the galaxy x also have 1 weapons slot less in the back in the past and the lance was the justification, the dps that the lance provide is not worht the lost of a weapon slot, foward slot or back slot.
meh, never happened. and if it would, what would be the price, would it be worth it?
that is the logical step but you known, with the galaxy syndrome floating arround his head, this 10th console could really be ending in the engineering slot.
pray for this not to happened.
yes for the return of the cloack as integrated, not a console.
cryptic seem to think that the cloack on the dreadnought was somekind of "favor" they give to the federation player.
hey!! wake up! the fact that the galaxy x got a cloack is CANON, why should we loose stats for having one, especially when it is JUST a regular cloack not a battle cloack.
if you don't want the federation to have cloack in the first place you shoudn't have bring the dreadnought into the game.
but you have, so now take your responsabilities.
i wonder how the klingons will react if we transform their cloack into a console, and what about the romulan?
it funny how the romulan cloack improved their general stats because it is integrated and allow them to cloack and hide at any time while been granted a huge bonus turn.
while we, galaxy x player must loose a console slot for something that only work in the beguining of the fight.
an other strike of the galaxy syndrome it seem.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Is the Galaxy X a Canon ship? The Enterprise D was destroyed in this time line so never got upgraded to Admiral Riker's Specifications. Was the Galaxy X in "All Good things" a possible Future or a Q mind game?
If the Galaxy X gets integrated Cloak than the Defiant gets integrated Cloak, which means since there are no longer cloaking consoles they'll have to give the Avenger integrated Cloak.
As for taking cloaks off the Klingon ships will that you be giving them a Hull and Shield Buff? Giving them the better BOFF layouts? The BoP should stay a Battle Cloaker given it's got the weakest hull in the game. The Qin Raptor has 3 Ensign Tac powers (a constant complaint of Defiant users) and the Negh'var has the 3 Ensign Eng powers which according to Federation opinion is the Worst layout in the game on the Galaxy.
The Klingons have the least content and nowhere near the ships the Federation has. The new Klingon ship was pushed back to 2014. While the Galaxy X performs way under par and needs to be tweaked do you really feel the need to take something from the unsupported faction to make yourself feel better.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
If I could wish for Gal-X upgrades...
4+ Lance Forward weapons (with damage-type choice, and give it a nice +acc bonus so the lance hits given its slow recharge), 3 rear sounds good to me, but I would also give it a bonus foreward shield modification so that its tougher point on while weaker in the other quarters which fits with the fore weapon facing and is in the "defensive" federation mindset. It should also have a unique warp core or power benefits, after all they mounted a third nacelle on it, which has to count for something.
For that matter, I remember hearing in a podcast that the Voth are getting a Phase-cloak that gives a improved defensive ability while cloaked but does not provide any alpha-strike benefits... weren't the feds working on that tech too? wouldnt that have been where a cloak for the Gal-X came from? (Also if we follow canon defiants should have a Romulan cloak or one based on thier principles)
But that's all just wishes up in the air, never happen kind of thing.
What I really wish for...
Is for the Fleet Version to be released.
- Raith
the enterprise D is not the only galaxy class ship you known.
and the galaxy that appear in all good things may or may not be a possible future but that irrelevant, it appear on the show, it is canon.
it is not a cryptic design or invention.
don't blame galaxy x and defiant player for cryptic descision to give cloack to a non canon federation ship.
did you wait the avenger to come out to put that argument?
HEY! HEY! do not try to bring this into a pitifull federation vs klingons ok.
and don't make me said what i didn't, i would apreciate.
i didn't said to take the cloack off the klingons, but was wondering what would be there reaction if it were transform into a console, and that goes for the romulan too.
so get out your hight horse and learn to read more carrefully next time before giving intention to people that never been there from the beguining.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Dreadnought_Cruiser
For some of us, trading the aft weapon for an extra fore weapon would be a downgrade. And this talk of making the Spinal Lance a 5th weapon slot is giving up a feature for nothing.
For my part, I want to see the base stats stay the same, the hull and shields get the standard Fleet upgrade, the Spinal Lance remain a built in feature. IF, and this is a big IF the Spinal Lance should be a console, then the Dreadnaught should gain an additional console slot for that change. Consoles would be 4 Engineer, 4 Tactical, 2 Science for the built in Spinal lance, and 4 Engineer, 4 Tacitcal, and 3 Science if the Spinal Lance was a console.
My preference for the BOFF slots would be 1 CDR Eng, 1 Universal LtCDR, 1 Lt Tac, 1 Lt. Universal, 1 Ens Universal. But that is likely asking for too much. More likely, they will make just the ensign slot universal and keep the rest the same.
I thought the hangar idea was for the Galaxy Retrofit not the Gal-X?
Honestly though, it kinda sounds like you want to make the Gal-X into a Scimitar basically, especially with mentioning a hangar....
no no, gecko specifically mentioned the hangar for the galaxy x, twice.
he never mentioned it for the galaxy R.
if the changes that he propose would be done it would indeed make it something very close to a scimitar.
fleet galaxy dread
7 turn
4 tact console
commander tact
integrated cloack
spinal lance
hangar
scimitar
7 turn
5 tact console
commander tact
integrated battle cloack
thalaron pulse
hangar
this sound more realistic
fleet galaxy dread
6 turn
4 tact console
ltcommander tac
integrated cloack
spinal lance
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Personally, I think that giving this ship either a hangar or saucer separation would kill the concept of what it is. However, I fully support the idea of a Galaxy Y Assault Carrier. This ship would be a complete refit of a Galaxy Class ship into something new. With the large numbers of Galaxies that were obviously produced in the canon universe during and immediately after the Dominion war, it makes sense that Starfleet would refit some of the ships to other specifications to do other jobs.
I see Starfleet refitting some Galaxies to be carriers indeed. I can see these ships receiving a secondary hull refit that is essentially identical to that of the Dreadnought; three nacelles, bigger impulse engines, etc. Just NO LANCE.
The saucer is where the dramatic refit would take place. on the Galaxy Y Assault Carrier. The saucer would be heavily modified to support a wing of fighters. It would also be refit with a fore and aft torpedo launcher and more powerful impulse engines. When going into combat, the ship would launch its fighter wing, separate and function as two escorts with moderate hull and a full wing (maybe two?) of fighters in support.
In game, this sould be similar to the way in which the chevron of an Odyssey supports you by healing you and firing on your enemy while you fly the battle section.
I personally LOVE the idea of a purpose built Galaxy Carrier refit in the same vein as the Galaxy X. It makes sense to me.
Why do you take offence at questions? A simple Yes the Galaxy X is Canon would have sufficed.
As far as we know the only Galaxy converted to a Galaxy X was the Enterprise D, and only because Admiral Riker pulled strings. I don't believe it was a standard refit for all Galaxies.
I'm not against cloaking consoles for the Fed ships that have them, but they where not built with cloaking devices like their Klingon and Romulan counterparts. They where added on afterwards. And only a single Defiant class ever had a cloak (Yes the first one got destroyed and the second one got a cloak too, but still only a single Defiant with a cloak)
This is a game, it needs to balanced and fair before it adhere's to Canon. Having said this I think the Phaser Lance shouldn't miss, the Garumba never seems to miss. And instead of only having a single Defiant capable of Cloak the Developers have given every player the option to live out there DS9 Fantasies in a cloaked Defiant with Quad Cannons.
And I never expected to be able to use the Avenger in the argument until Cryptic added it. And since they added it the Argument for the necessity of cloaking consoles for the Federation exists. And can be added to the list of why they should be consoles.
Why are you mad at me for your suggestion of making Klingon cloaks consoles and my suggestion that they be refunded the price they paid for integrated cloaks?
Also could you clarify what you mean here? I don't understand what your trying to say.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
pure speculation on your part, or little attempt of your mind to find justification to the cryptic move.
in what transforming an integrated cloack, that is even not a battle cloack, into a console is fair, when every other ship that have cloack in other faction didn't have to suffer this?
and it is not at your question that i take offense, it is this:
your vicious attempt to make me look for some one who wants to take something to the Klingon faction while i was merely questioning what the reaction would be if the same treatement where applying to klingons and romulan.
and your reaction speaks volumes about the injustice we currently suffer since i remind you that we actually also paid for an intergrated cloack, mind you.
yes!! the cloack was integrated in the first place, it was then transform into a console in season 5, do you have memory problem? or you weren't there already?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
2. NO bloody hangars
3. NO bloody saucer separation
4. Standard integral cloak.
5. 1 additional Tac console on fleet version
6. Standard hull and shield mod upgrade on fleet model
7. 1 point boost to turn on fleet model
8. Improve lance accuracy and reduce CD by half
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A great deal could be done that would improve the arrangement of the game, but I don't see it happening. People, players and developers alike, are stuck in their own personal variations of Hell, each one terrified of any form of change.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they took people's ideas posted on these forums for the Dreadnought and shoved them onto the Andorian Escort just to see what it would be like in game (Phaser Wing cannon and Phaser Dispersal array for instance both stink like suggestions made for this ship).
Either way, "Dreadnought" ships should have a lot of fire power and in this game Tactical Powers > Engineering Powers towards those ends.
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Agreed the Enterprise D being the only Galaxy X is pure speculation on my part. But thinking it was a Fleet wide refit of every Galaxy is pure speculation too. Thinking it was done to even some of the ships is pure speculation. Thinking it was anything more than a Q mind game is pure speculation.
The base ship needs upgrades I don't deny it. But I can tell you the Fleet version is only going to be +1 Console, 10% more Hull and Shields.
It's certainly not going to get more Turn or Integrated Cloak, and it probably won't get a new BOFF layout, the best you can hope for is the they fix the Lance on the Base model.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
If was a different timeline so it really doesn't matter if this was a unique ship to them or something that was being done to alot of the older galaxies for the war vs the Klingons. All that does matter is that Starfleet at some point found out about this alt timeline Enterprise that Picard saw and decided to built or well modify a bunch of Galaxies to its layout or atleast the best they knew of the layout that was described.
Personally I don't want to take anything away from the Kilingons thou even more so I don't want this thread turned into a Fed vs Klink rampage.
Pretty much common amoung everyone using the G-X we want acc bonus brought to lance or a slot for the lance so we can give it an acc bonus ourselves would be nice.
Yea it would mess up others builds and I'd say sorry if it had happen already but this is about what you want the Dreadnaught to become not about what you don't want. Its just suggestions we ourselves would like to see. Pretty sure the Devs are already filled with ideas of their own and doubt our suggestions will make it to table but I thought it be fun to list them anyways.
No as another posted it was mentioned just for the G-X and honestly I really don't care either way. If we get it I'll make use of it if not I wouldn't miss it. To me though I have to agree that I don't like the idea of the hanger all that much and I really don't like the Saucer Separation being added as another said it takes away the idea of what the ship is about. I think both could be useful in their own ways but don't really agree with either.
1. Finally someone that agrees and isnt insulting yay lol
2. I'm not to crazy about the hanger idea. as listed I'll take it but can't say I really want it. Just more buttons I have to remember to push lol.
3. Agreed. Interesting Idea but always thought the hull would be fused to the saucer in order to create that much power cycling to that big lance.
4. Nothing fancy just get rid of the console and put it on the ship like the lance. Though could still have console in slot since it is transferable to the Avenger now. This is a basic thing I think all ships with special consoles should have it integrated and only have a console there if it can be used on another ship of a different type or ships that can give their abilities for 3 piece bonuses.
5.Yea 4th tac would be great no need for more Science or engineering as it's suppose to be a heavy hitter.
6. Agreed
7. Would be nice
8. Honestly need the first part though I would love to shoot it off twice as often.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, took everything unique the KDF has so now working on what the RR has...
since we never see more of that alternate universe, everything that we could think about it is indeed pure speculation.
the things is that in sto cryptic seem to have made their choice about it, unless every galaxy x i see outside esd are illusional copy of myself, it seem to me to be be a fleet wide refit in the end.
i never think i was a predicator, however i am pretty confident, just like you, that this ship indeed won't have it cloack be made intergrated and no turn will be added to it normal stats.
however i bielieve that gecko will give him more turn by the way of set bonus that he was talking about in one of his last interview, in the same way of the odyssey set bonus ( +0.5 turn )
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
yep!
yep!
yep!
yep!
would not said no to that!
maybe not half but certainly a reduction of that cooldown, and of course better accuracy
what do you mean by integral? integrated?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
hmm, sorry, what is RR?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271