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Vor'cha Makes No Sense
sneakysniper13
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Seriously, the Vor'cha isn't that big, why does it have 1500 crew! Are they strapping ensigns to the hull for extra protection, or making 750 of them run on huge hamster wheels to power the warp drive? I ship that size really only needs a max of 700. I think the Klingon logic is if you have to ram that thing into a Galaxy class, you need all the weight from crew you can get.
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Dimensions
Length: 481.32 meters
Width: 341.76 meters
Height: 106.87 meters
Specifications
Decks: 24+
Crew: 1,900 plus flight crew and troops
Maximum speed: warp 9.6
Cruising speed: warp 6
Armaments: 18 ship-mounted disruptor cannons; 1 large forward disruptor; 3 torpedo launchers
Defences: Shields; cloaking device
If anything, they nerfed the vorcha for crew
Another crew related thing that don't make sense: They regenerate.
You can have 0% crew in combat but they magically come back to life as time goes on. Are ALL your crew members zombies?
KDF Tac: Bortasqu' Tactical
Fed Tac: Fleet Gal-X
Keep those big guns a-thunderin'
Plus Klingon ships probably carry a lot of surplus to crew to make up for losses due to stabbing each other for fun.
They could quote a crew size of 20000 for a Galaxy and I wouldn't even consider that an unreasonable figure.
All this goes out the window, apparently, when all the crew are now holograms since they can apparently all resurrect themselves from death out of nowhere.
Problem with space is no sense of scale. I mean even a little ship like the Defiant is like 5 stories tall and the size of a football field.
The Galaxy runs with a compliment of 1000 crew but can take up to 8000 people.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
If only I could fly a JHDC the size the beauties from "What You Leave Behind". Alas. we are stuck with the "Valiant" model.
KDF Tac: Bortasqu' Tactical
Fed Tac: Fleet Gal-X
Keep those big guns a-thunderin'
Now THAT would be scaling
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I think thats due to the use of holographic crew members on both sides so the regeneration rate is probably due to that but then again im just guessing
Even the world's weakest lvl 1 NPC Miranda firing it's dinky, weak little photon torpedo still has a chance to kill 10%, and 'disable' 20% of even the biggest, baddest, toughest ship with it's 1000+ crew.
its crew strength not crew members. in battle some get trapped behind emc force fields and can not make it to the location to do repairs or they get wounded that sort of thing so repair rates are slower when its a low number. as time passes and more things are fixed they speed back up. and the strength of the crew gets stronger.
Klingon ships have always been designed with combat in mind. including assault troops. imagine boarding an enemy ship . you need a assault team to kill the other crew then skilled crew to possibly take command and control of the 2nd ship. so numbers are higher. plus if a officer is not preforming his/her duty it is the duty of the officer below them to take them out and replace them.
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Its TRIBBLE
(because its not Scottish)
But still TRIBBLE.
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On the other hand you see these rom ships literally taking up more space than a freaking PLANET, being some 20x as big as the biggest fed ship. It's nuts. Romulus is gone. They don't have the shipyards to make stuff like that. If anything they would go smaller and smaller. The early tier ships are still too big! The very first tier ships should be no larger than a constitution class. Look it up. The biggest D'Direx should be larger than a Galaxy class, but not so big the SOB can fit in between the upper and lower wings, which is what it looks like most times.
Cryptic are all over the place with ship scaling. They have no concept of scale.
Pretty much this. Klingon ships are not like Federation ships. They carry more crew, because that allows for more combat-related actions. Larger Klingon ships, in particular, carry extensive ground forces in order to occupy territory and board enemy ships. They have a much more effective record with that than the Federation does.
Then there's the fact that Klingon ships traditionally have a higher crew loss ratio, because a lot of the crew are basically disruptor fodder. Bekks in the KDF are like enlisted security guys or low-ranking MACOs. They're not like Starfleet officers. Starfleet ships, by comparison, are filled with specialists and more highly-trained personnel (every Starfleet ensign and above goes through 4 years of Starfleet academy). The downside of this is that it takes longer to replace them, because you've gotta train 'em. Either that or rely on enlisted personnel that might not be quite as effective. So Starfleet doesn't replace its losses quite as well as the KDF does.
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The Vorcha has a 1,000 man compliment of Klingon Marines. come on, take 5 mins to look up the Canan.
Dude, a Klingon Officer spends over 10 years in the Imperial Academy. Holy crud batman.
The difference primarily is in military tasking. Klingon vessels are designed to not only fight in space, but to slaughter the enemy on the ground. Even with fewer men, federation soldiers were killed. More Feds were killed than Klingons during the Klingon Federation War.
Same reasoning as to how Caradassias fleet and army was nearly wiped out before the Dominion came along. Klingons learn war, they learn how to operate and develop their technology, but their dominant focus is war. That's why even a Bird of Prey has a compliment of Marines.
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Yeah, that's officers. The majority of soldiers on-board probably aren't officers. Hence, disruptor fodder.
Whereas in Starfleet, the majority of the crewmen have gone through 4 years of Starfleet Academy. Ensigns, Lieutenants, etc. There are some enlisted folks (like O'Brien and some of the engineers serving under him), but I get the feeling they aren't the majority.