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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    You are only taking into account formal training. You're ignoring the fact that they are trained from birth to be cunning, intelligent, warriors. As a people. Don't you remember DUNE? With the right environment you can make the greatest warrior people in the known galaxy, even without actually training them to be warriors!
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    Yeah, that's officers. The majority of soldiers on-board probably aren't officers. Hence, disruptor fodder.

    Whereas in Starfleet, the majority of the crewmen have gone through 4 years of Starfleet Academy. Ensigns, Lieutenants, etc. There are some enlisted folks (like O'Brien and some of the engineers serving under him), but I get the feeling they aren't the majority.

    In early TNG there were actually no "enlisted" crewmen at all in Starfleet since Rodenberry wanted a Starfleet only made up of officers, but in late TNG and DS9 in particular it is stated that there are equal or more enlisted personnel in Starfleet.
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    tksmitty wrote: »
    Are ALL your crew members zombies?

    Yes. Yes, they are.
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  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    angrytarg wrote: »
    In early TNG there were actually no "enlisted" crewmen at all in Starfleet since Rodenberry wanted a Starfleet only made up of officers, but in late TNG and DS9 in particular it is stated that there are equal or more enlisted personnel in Starfleet.

    Yeah, I really have to question what substances Rodenberry did between TOS and TNG, he was really "out there" with some of his concepts.
  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    Dude, a Klingon Officer spends over 10 years in the Imperial Academy. Holy crud batman.

    Yeah, but what did they do when they became 11 years old (half joking).
  • malaksilvermalaksilver Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    or that they might ram it in to a cube, that would be funny to see
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  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited October 2013
    Klingons are raised since childhood to fight. Even their games they play as children are geared towards pain and combat. Also as they join the ranks of the kdf they still go through months of further training imperial academy. The imperial academy is home to training the officers and enlisted. And no. Early TNG almost all of engineering department of the enterprise are enlisted. Walking the halls of the enterprise you see many enlisted. When Picard said helmsmen instead of calling rank. That person was enlisted. Majority of tasha yards and later words security teams were enlisted. Reason it doesn't seem like many enlisted are in starfleet. Is because star trek is more dominant with telling the stories of the officers more so than any enlisted. Voyager actually show cased an episode of Janeway working just with enlisted men from her ship.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Klingons are raised to serve the Empire. Period.
    Be it warriors or farmers they give themselves to the betterment of the Klingon lifestyle as it exists as the Empiral seat.
    Klingons suffered under the wrath and malice of an invading force once, the Hurq. They as a species decided and vowed to never be so abused again.
    That is the core of thier philosophy. The core of thier desire to remain Klingon. Free of oitside influences and forever firm in what it means to be Klingon.
    It does not make them evil or wrong, just proud. Proud of whom they are and how they choose to live.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2013
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    tksmitty wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure crew numbers is pretty arbitrary unless it's explicitly stated in canon.

    Another crew related thing that don't make sense: They regenerate.

    You can have 0% crew in combat but they magically come back to life as time goes on. Are ALL your crew members zombies?

    They're tribbles. :D
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Then you have monsters like the Galaxy with only 1,014 crew and the Sovereign with 700 on he fed side. I have the tiny escort mentality so I don't really get how they fit that many on a starship only slightly longer than a Prometheus class.

    The IKS Gorkon novels explain how:
    "She worked her way toward the barracks, located in the ship's centermost deck.
    The troops were housed in bunks that were arranged by squad. The deck consisted of a maze of corridors, each wall taken up with five bunks inset into the bukhead that were stacked from deck to ceiling. Each bunk was two meters in length, one meter in width and half a meter in height. That two meters of space and whatever you could cram into it was the only thing youl could call your own if you were a Klingon soldier."
    The books on to explain that only the officers have some kind of quarters...and they're small compared to those on the Galaxy...where every single person has his own quarters.
    So life for the small folks on a Klingon ship not too different from our own ancient ships where the officers had a LOT more comfort than the average guy...just that even the officers on a Klingon ship don't have the luxuries the officers on those old ships had.

    http://www.cityofart.net/bship/interiors.html
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