How is this thread different then the tread you started 4 days ago about the same general subject?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
1. Thread title is, in fact, effectively the same.
2. A rhetorical question invoking a specific fact is not different from a simple statement of the fact when neither one is accompanied by further information.
3. A second reason that is the same as the first is not a second reason (I tried very hard to make this part of reason 2 but the point was lost).
1. Thread title is, in fact, effectively the same.
2. A rhetorical question invoking a specific fact is not different from a simple statement of the fact when neither one is accompanied by further information.
3. A second reason that is the same as the first is not a second reason (I tried very hard to make this part of reason 2 but the point was lost).
Actually there is a significant difference in the title,whether the title is a rhetorical question or not, it does not invoke the same effect/curiosity in those who read it. This leads to a significant difference in readers perceived interest.
I have also added the Zen sale question and am going to put a few more tin foil hat things in there.
Eh, it's probably just people seeing lobi being account-bound, and then being just short of buying something - so increased demand for master keys, increased demand for zen, driving up value of zen.
What is going to happen in 2 weeks with all the rest of the CC dilithium?
Easy, more dil flooding the market will devalue it, causing that number to go even higher.
It's not really the "price of dil" which is skyrocketing, either.... the price of dil is dropping, what is skyrocketing is the relative value of zen as compared to dil.
Easy, more dil flooding the market will devalue it, causing that number to go even higher.
It's not really the "price of dil" which is skyrocketing, either.... the price of dil is dropping, what is skyrocketing is the relative value of zen as compared to dil.
Yes you can look at it from that view. Technically the statements are both correct - the actually numerical value of dilithium is skyrocketing - (now 138 and climbing fast) and the cost of dilithium to purchase with Zen is also dropping fast!
I hardly think that a forums thread is required every time the price of x goes up, esd zone is a far more appropriate place for such a play by play on markets.
I hardly think that a forums thread is required every time the price of x goes up, esd zone is a far more appropriate place for such a play by play on markets.
Holy cow - this section of the forums is for things that are directly relevant to the overall game - the price of dilithium/zen is something that governs the WHOLE game - so yes every movement that is significant - like up 15% in a few days - definitely belongs here - not in the cesspool that ESD chat sometime becomes.
Holy cow - this section of the forums is for things that are directly relevant to the overall game - the price of dilithium/zen is something that governs the WHOLE game - so yes every movement that is significant - like up 15% in a few days - definitely belongs here - not in the cesspool that ESD chat sometime becomes.
Making threads (yes threads being plural) about something going up every couple of days is excessive. Please people can play the game just fine without exchanging dilithium for zen and vice versa. For example, one could buy a lockbox ship with grinded ec, buy fleet gear with grinded dilithium and fc and never even have to touch that part of the game at all.
Not to mention that your other thread wasn't even dead and you could have simply bumped it instead of starting a brand new one.
Lately I've been buying Zen when the cost is low, and reselling as the rate goes up, essentially getting free dilithiun that way. Always hard to judge how the market will change though, and its easy to lose.
Was the last thread title incorrectly characterizing the relationship between dilithium and zen values, too?
What is the problem with you people? You sound like people sitting on hoards of Dilithium who don't want too many people to know that the Numerical value of Dilithium is skyrocketing!!
The title is correct - Dilithium price is skyrocketing - just because it is the numerical "price" of the dilithium that is rising - does not make it incorrect.
You see the logic behind the statement? So therefore you are incorrect when you say the title is incorrect. You would be correct if you said the price of Zen realitive to the price of dilithium is dropping. But no you decide like the others to incorrectly pick at the title.
I wonder what your motives are? Are the 5 threads running about the new Crystal entity mission not enough for you to worry about?
I don't want to turn this into a flame fest - perhaps that is you and the others motive to get this thread to disappear.
I will comment on the rise for as long as people are interested in talking about it. But I won't engage in this silly banter any more.
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If I were sitting on hoards of Dil, I'd want the price to go the other way, so I could buy more Zen with it.
I'd say the issue is indeed that what with Lobi being account-bound (now or soon - I didn't pay that much attention), unlocking lockboxes for the Lobi is becoming more worth the effort, so more people are spending Dil to get Zen to buy Keys. If CO ever does the same with Drifter's Salvage (their equivalent to Lobi Crystals), I would fully expect similar pandemonium on the Questionite Exchange. (The Q Exchange has already gone nuts enough with the prevalence of Anniversary Events that drop extra Q, flooding the market and raising the price of Zen to around 250:1. And it's only going to get worse with the Anniversary Sale in the C-Store this weekend.)
But the ensuing mass of threads about these prices (and the inevitable "Cryptic/PWE is manipulating the Market for more Sales!" accusations) would be hilarious!
What happens currently is VERY VERY tame... 130+ is nothing...
What is the problem with you people? You sound like people sitting on hoards of Dilithium who don't want too many people to know that the Numerical value of Dilithium is skyrocketing!!
It's not skyrocketing. Come back when it's over 300 like it was back before season 6. But 136... meh.
Aren't we ALL 'selfish' depending on each of our own points of view? You are obviously selfish for wanting the price to go down so you can buy more Zen with dilithium. Is that really fair to someone who is trying to buy more dilithium with Zen? Are you any less 'selfish' than they are? We all have our priorities. Some need Zen. Some need dilithium. Neither group is anymore 'selfish' than the other for wanting their own needs fulfilled.
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It's not skyrocketing. Come back when it's over 300 like it was back before season 6. But 136... meh.
Well considering that without any sale it was always back to 115 for the last 2 months - an increase to 138 is 15% - that is a large move when there is no sales going on. It also was around 124 3 days ago.
300?? Yeah those where the days when there was nothing to spend dilithium on - never happen again.
Well considering that without any sale it was always back to 115 for the last 2 months - an increase to 138 is 15% - that is a large move when there is no sales going on. It also was around 124 3 days ago.
300?? Yeah those where the days when there was nothing to spend dilithium on - never happen again.
It goes up. It goes down. Behaves like any other market. Less need for dilithium given that fleets are completing the dilithium mine, and most new roms have completed their rep grind and have bought their gear. It'll probably go back down once the new fleet holding is released. But still, anything under 200 isn't really newsworthy in my book.
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Agreed, it's a good thing I decided to hoard my hundreds of thousands of dilithium for when the storm ends.
Economically speaking your hoard should be in zen right now (but dont buy zen if it isnt already, you missed it), most of us that play the markets bought zen about 2-3 weeks ago when the prices were around 110-115
Any of us that sell now would make a 15-20 percent profit. Personally if it hits 140/zen ill be making over 50000 dilithium out of the deal (sitting on quite a lot of zen i bought at 110)
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Economically speaking your hoard should be in zen right now (but dont buy zen if it isnt already, you missed it), most of us that play the markets bought zen about 2-3 weeks ago when the prices were around 110-115
Any of us that sell now would make a 15-20 percent profit. Personally if it hits 140/zen ill be making over 50000 dilithium out of the deal (sitting on quite a lot of zen i bought at 110)
Yeah a bit too late - If Cryptic made a 20% Zen sale - easily access - via credit card and pay pal and steam - then it will bring the price down fast.
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Very different.
1. Thread title is better.
2. This thread is a statement - last one was more of a question.
3. Different question is posed.
Similar but different - statement vs question
2. A rhetorical question invoking a specific fact is not different from a simple statement of the fact when neither one is accompanied by further information.
3. A second reason that is the same as the first is not a second reason (I tried very hard to make this part of reason 2 but the point was lost).
Actually there is a significant difference in the title,whether the title is a rhetorical question or not, it does not invoke the same effect/curiosity in those who read it. This leads to a significant difference in readers perceived interest.
I have also added the Zen sale question and am going to put a few more tin foil hat things in there.
Easy, more dil flooding the market will devalue it, causing that number to go even higher.
It's not really the "price of dil" which is skyrocketing, either.... the price of dil is dropping, what is skyrocketing is the relative value of zen as compared to dil.
Yes you can look at it from that view. Technically the statements are both correct - the actually numerical value of dilithium is skyrocketing - (now 138 and climbing fast) and the cost of dilithium to purchase with Zen is also dropping fast!
The day will not save them. And we own the night.
Holy cow - this section of the forums is for things that are directly relevant to the overall game - the price of dilithium/zen is something that governs the WHOLE game - so yes every movement that is significant - like up 15% in a few days - definitely belongs here - not in the cesspool that ESD chat sometime becomes.
Making threads (yes threads being plural) about something going up every couple of days is excessive. Please people can play the game just fine without exchanging dilithium for zen and vice versa. For example, one could buy a lockbox ship with grinded ec, buy fleet gear with grinded dilithium and fc and never even have to touch that part of the game at all.
Not to mention that your other thread wasn't even dead and you could have simply bumped it instead of starting a brand new one.
Was the last thread title incorrectly characterizing the relationship between dilithium and zen values, too?
Obviously a ferengi, 1 zen is 1 penny lol. the whole thing should be locked at 100 dilithium per zen.
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What is the problem with you people? You sound like people sitting on hoards of Dilithium who don't want too many people to know that the Numerical value of Dilithium is skyrocketing!!
The title is correct - Dilithium price is skyrocketing - just because it is the numerical "price" of the dilithium that is rising - does not make it incorrect.
You see the logic behind the statement? So therefore you are incorrect when you say the title is incorrect. You would be correct if you said the price of Zen realitive to the price of dilithium is dropping. But no you decide like the others to incorrectly pick at the title.
I wonder what your motives are? Are the 5 threads running about the new Crystal entity mission not enough for you to worry about?
I don't want to turn this into a flame fest - perhaps that is you and the others motive to get this thread to disappear.
I will comment on the rise for as long as people are interested in talking about it. But I won't engage in this silly banter any more.
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I'd say the issue is indeed that what with Lobi being account-bound (now or soon - I didn't pay that much attention), unlocking lockboxes for the Lobi is becoming more worth the effort, so more people are spending Dil to get Zen to buy Keys. If CO ever does the same with Drifter's Salvage (their equivalent to Lobi Crystals), I would fully expect similar pandemonium on the Questionite Exchange. (The Q Exchange has already gone nuts enough with the prevalence of Anniversary Events that drop extra Q, flooding the market and raising the price of Zen to around 250:1. And it's only going to get worse with the Anniversary Sale in the C-Store this weekend.)
Thats a very selfish wish.
But the ensuing mass of threads about these prices (and the inevitable "Cryptic/PWE is manipulating the Market for more Sales!" accusations) would be hilarious!
What happens currently is VERY VERY tame... 130+ is nothing...
It's not skyrocketing. Come back when it's over 300 like it was back before season 6. But 136... meh.
Aren't we ALL 'selfish' depending on each of our own points of view? You are obviously selfish for wanting the price to go down so you can buy more Zen with dilithium. Is that really fair to someone who is trying to buy more dilithium with Zen? Are you any less 'selfish' than they are? We all have our priorities. Some need Zen. Some need dilithium. Neither group is anymore 'selfish' than the other for wanting their own needs fulfilled.
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Why? That'd kinda defeat the point of the concept...
No, it's a very sensible wish.
I want to get more output for the same input, just like the people who want the price to go down (or up from my pov :P)
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Well considering that without any sale it was always back to 115 for the last 2 months - an increase to 138 is 15% - that is a large move when there is no sales going on. It also was around 124 3 days ago.
300?? Yeah those where the days when there was nothing to spend dilithium on - never happen again.
It goes up. It goes down. Behaves like any other market. Less need for dilithium given that fleets are completing the dilithium mine, and most new roms have completed their rep grind and have bought their gear. It'll probably go back down once the new fleet holding is released. But still, anything under 200 isn't really newsworthy in my book.
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Agreed, it's a good thing I decided to hoard my hundreds of thousands of dilithium for when the storm ends.
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I remember real skyrocketing and when all this was fields.
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Economically speaking your hoard should be in zen right now (but dont buy zen if it isnt already, you missed it), most of us that play the markets bought zen about 2-3 weeks ago when the prices were around 110-115
Any of us that sell now would make a 15-20 percent profit. Personally if it hits 140/zen ill be making over 50000 dilithium out of the deal (sitting on quite a lot of zen i bought at 110)
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Yeah a bit too late - If Cryptic made a 20% Zen sale - easily access - via credit card and pay pal and steam - then it will bring the price down fast.