Had to have been destroyed. With the Feds still kicking around century old Excels there's no chance they would retire a Sovereign class after just a couple decades.
Beginning of movie (7:40), Data sings Blue Skies at Riker and Troi's Wedding.
At 23:15 in the movie, you see a cable going from B4 to Data, where LaForge specifically says "I still can't believe the captain went along with the memory download" And then disconnects Data and says "Done" They even have a conversation about how Data feels about B4 having his memories.
End of Movie, B4 is sitting in Picard's quarters, and as Picard goes to leave, B4 starts to sing Blue Skies "Never saw the sun, never saw the sun", meaning, the memories Data transferred were starting to come out.
Make sure you know your facts properly before you say anything next time
I don't have to he is dead live with it.It is why the franshiise died becasuse of this and Kirk you never kill an Icon.It is the main reason Trek is dead.
TNG movies lost more revenue than they anticipated and it the reason Bermon and Braga got fired.Then there is the Activision lawsiut which took 4 years to come to a verdict as casualty Taldren went out of business.
Then you all don't want to to face the music of what really happened.
I don't know why I'm wading into this - it seems pointless - but the following passages are direct quotes from the in-game Path to 2409. I'm including only passages relevant to the Enterprise-E or Data.
The Path to 2409: Volume 1, Chapter 2
In late 2379, the USS Enterprise-E underwent a major repair and refit. About half of her crew transferred to other posts during the months-long overhaul, including senior staff officers William T. Riker and Deanna Troi, who are posted on the U.S.S. Titan, and Chief Medical Officer Beverly Crusher, who briefly served as head of Starfleet Medical before returning to the Enterprise.
The Path to 2409: Volume 5, Chapter 6
In late 2384, Starfleet transferred the Soong-type android B-4 to the custody of the Soong Foundation.
The prototype android, with a less advanced positronic matrix than Noonian Soong's later androids Data and Lore, was deactivated after its discovery by the U.S.S. Enterprise-E in 2379.
At the time of the transfer, Soong Foundation representatives said they hoped to restore B-4 full positronic functioning. [sic]
The Path to 2409: Volume 6, Chapter 1
Among the ships that were assigned to new duties was the U.S.S. Enterprise-E. "The flagship of Starfleet is not a warship," said Commander Marie Durant a spokesperson for Starfleet Command. "The Enterprise and her crew are the pinnacle of Federation achievement. We need them out on the edge of explored space, making new contacts and reaching out in friendship to races across the Galaxy." The Enterprise's final mission before returning to Earth for reassignment was to assist the population of Khitomer.
On Stardate 62230.13, the Klingon Empire announced it was expelling all non-Klingon residents of the planet as a "safety measure." It gave the residents 14 standard days to leave the planet, but Chancellor Martok later agreed to extend the deadline after speaking to Captain Jean-Luc Picard. The Enterprise-E led a contingent of ships to Khitomer, assisted in the evacuation, and the former residents were safely resettled on Federation worlds.
The Path to 2409: Volume 6, Chapter 2
The U.S.S. Enterprise-E's mission to Khitomer was the last for its legendary captain as well. After a personal request from the president of the Federation and a great deal of personal reflection, Captain Jean-Luc Picard resigned his commission with Starfleet. After a three-month sabbatical in France, Picard took his place as the Federation ambassador to Vulcan.
He was not the only senior staff member of the Enterprise who moved on to other projects. Chief Medical Officer Beverly Crusher accepted the position of captain of the U.S.S. Pasteur, an Olympic-class ship. Her first task was to assist efforts to rebuild hospitals and medical facilities on Cardassia Prime.
And Worf, son of Mogh, also resigned his commission to Starfleet. Worf believed that with the recent strains in relations between the Federation and the Klingons, he would best be of service in a diplomatic role. He returned to Qo'noS to take up the post of lead ambassador, and a few months later began a tentative relationship with Grilka, the leader of a Klingon noble house whom he met while serving on Deep Space Nine.
With much of the senior staff gone and its role in flux, the Enterprise-E was assigned to the shipyards of Utopia Planitia for an extensive refit. The Starfleet Corps of Engineers reported that the refit would take at least a year to complete because they planned to use the ship as a testing ground for new technology. Among the new equipment installed on the Enterprise-E was an advanced sensor array first tested on Luna-class starships.
The Path to 2409: Volume 6, Chapter 3
When the U.S.S. Enterprise-E returned to Earth, Chief Engineer Geordi La Forge requested a long-term leave of absence from Starfleet to work on personal projects, including a plan to build and test his own starship designs. His first project, however, was to assist the team at the Soong Foundation studying the Soong-type android B-4.
With La Forge's help, on Stardate 62762.91 the team unlocked what it called the "Data Matrix," successfully accessing the personality, knowledge and memories of Data, who had downloaded this information into B-4 before his destruction in the Battle of Bassen Rift. The Data persona asserted itself over B-4's more primitive programming, and the android was then able to assist the Soong Foundation team to upgrade the positronic brain and recreate the emotion chip invented by Dr. Noonian Soong. In a statement to the Federation News Service, a representative for the team said he was confident that their work would be completed in months.
The Path to 2409: Volume 7, Chapter 6
A surprise guest at the wedding of Worf and Grilka was Data. With his upgrades at the Soong Foundation complete, Data requested that his commision in Starfleet be reactivated. While there were some initial questions because the Data persona was in the body once used by B-4, after Jean-Luc Picard, William T. Riker and several other current and former members of the Enterprise crew testified on Data's behalf, Starfleet Command agreed to reinstate the android. He was promoted to captain and assigned to supervise the completion of the Enterprise-E's refit.
On Stardate 63894.06, the refit of the Enterprise-E was complete and the ship, helmed by Captain Data, left the Utopia Planitia shipyards. "We are introducing a new era of exploration and peace," said Starfleet Command spokesperson Commander Marie Durant.
The Path to 2409: Volume 8, Chapter 9
According to sensor reports recorded on Stardate 64471.6 by the U.S.S. Enterprise-E, the Hobus supernova was contained by a limited singularity, ending the threat to the quadrant. Starfleet believes that Spock detonated the red matter in the rupture caused by the singularity, closing it with an artificially created black hole. It reported that both the Jellyfish and the Narada were lost in the event.
The Path to 2409: Volume 11, Chapter 7
In late 2390, the U.S.S. Enterprise-E returned from a survey of the McAllister C-5 Nebula. Captain Data reported that the Enterprise found residual signs of multiple quantum singularities in the area of the nebula that corresponded to those used by a Delta Quadrant race kwown as Species 8472 to cross from their home dimension.
Unfortunately, the properties of the protostellar nebula in which the singularities were found made definitive identification impossible. If these singularities were used by Species 8472, it was the first sign of them near Federation space.
The Path to 2409: Volume 12, Chapter 8
As a start to their research, the team conducted extensive interviews with the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise-E, which found the anomalies in the McAllister C-5 Nebula, and former crew members of the U.S.S. Voyager, which was the only Starfleet ship known to have definitive contact with the mysterious aliens.
The Path to 2409: Volume 18, Chapter 1
An era ended when Geordi La Forge left Engineering for Command. La Forge was dividing his time between ship design and his duties with Starfleet for several years, but when the opportunity arrived to take his own command he could not turn it down. La Forge was promoted to captain of the U.S.S. Challenger, and recommended Commander Nog to be chief engineer of the U.S.S. Enterprise-E.
The Path to 2409: Volume 19, Chapter 5
The crew of the Gorkon cooperated with Captain Data of the U.S.S. Enterprise-E to investigate the explosion. They found that an ultritium resin explosive device was hidden in the room where the delegates were meeting.
The Path to 2409: Volume 29, Chapter 4
After Starfleet lost contact with Starbase 236 in late September, it sent the U.S.S. Enterprise-E to investigate.
"This could be related to the war. It could be something else. It could be a simple equipment failure," Brex said. "Our primary concern is the safety of the starbase crew."
This states quite definitively that according to the STO storyline, Data was restored into B4's body and took command of the Enterprise-E. If we're talking about STO, there is no debate here.
I'm in full agreement with others who have stated that the final mission of the Ent-E is ambiguious. It could well have returned from that mission without a scratch; we simply don't know.
I haven't read the Star Trek Magazine story, but it sounds interesting.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
I don't have to he is dead live with it.It is why the franshiise died becasuse of this and Kirk you never kill an Icon.It is the main reason Trek is dead.
TNG movies lost more revenue than they anticipated and it the reason Bermon and Braga got fired.Then there is the Activision lawsiut which took 4 years to come to a verdict as casualty Taldren went out of business.
Then you all don't want to to face the music of what really happened.
You are correct. That is B-4 with Data's memories.
A deleted scene from the movie shows the crew going through Data's effects and finding his Emotion Chip.
The novel "Good of the Many" has Datrstom Institute with the help of Geordi trying to "reboot" Data inside of B-4. They eventually succeed with the help of code found in the Emotion Chip.
Data refuses to stay functioning as his engrams would eventually overtake B-4s engrams inside of the positronic brain. Data begins to write code to erase himself from B-4.
B-4 sees the plight of FEderation and it needing Data's help to dealin with the Undine. B-4 makes the ultimate sacrifice by using Data's deletion algorithm on himself to allow his brother to live.
The Data of STO today is Data's copied memories running in the chassis of B-4.
You guys realize you're arguing with someone who bases his reality of a fictional intellectual property based on cherry-picked sources of a television and movie series that has constantly contradicted itself for a few decades or so, and willfully turns a blind eye to any other source because it does not agree with his personal beliefs and opinions.
While at the same time playing a video game that infers and blatantly invokes said sources that he refuses to believe exists, and is of itself a source that he refuses to believe exists. Therefore he is playing a video game that does not exist.
You're trying to reason with someone who purposefully makes a point to be unreasonable -- over a science-fiction franchise.
I don't have to he is dead live with it.It is why the franshiise died becasuse of this and Kirk you never kill an Icon.It is the main reason Trek is dead.
TNG movies lost more revenue than they anticipated and it the reason Bermon and Braga got fired.Then there is the Activision lawsiut which took 4 years to come to a verdict as casualty Taldren went out of business.
No, the franchise died because Nemesis was garbage on too many levels to count, and Enterprise was too much garbage for too long and even after it started to improve, it was too little too late. The first three TNG movies made strong profits, dumbass. Even Generations made a profit despite being mostly crud (though not to Nemesis levels). It's only Nemesis that tanked, and even though it was garbage you can still blame a large part of it on the fact that it opened the same week as The Two Towers and one of the Harry Potter films. It didn't stand a chance.
Then you all don't want to to face the music of what really happened.
In other words, you are choosing to willfully ignore the entire storyline of the game you're playing, and three entire scenes of the exact movie you're basing your argument on. Which makes you either a troll or a moron, probably both.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
No, the franchise died because Nemesis was garbage on too many levels to count, and Enterprise was too much garbage for too long and even after it started to improve, it was too little too late. The first three TNG movies made strong profits, dumbass. Even Generations made a profit despite being mostly crud (though not to Nemesis levels). It's only Nemesis that tanked, and even though it was garbage you can still blame a large part of it on the fact that it opened the same week as The Two Towers and one of the Harry Potter films. It didn't stand a chance.
They did lose money though as to what they budgeted and why would Activision sue them for.The TNG films are no where near as good as the TOS cast and I ma being impartial.you and a lot of other just won't except the fact of the matter.I agree with that person who did those youtube videos.
In other words, you are choosing to willfully ignore the entire storyline of the game you're playing, and three entire scenes of the exact movie you're basing your argument on. Which makes you either a troll or a moron, probably both.
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I don't have to he is dead live with it.It is why the franshiise died becasuse of this and Kirk you never kill an Icon.It is the main reason Trek is dead.
TNG movies lost more revenue than they anticipated and it the reason Bermon and Braga got fired.Then there is the Activision lawsiut which took 4 years to come to a verdict as casualty Taldren went out of business.
Then you all don't want to to face the music of what really happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S02T1j9qzwg That is not Data and does not have any memeories or information from datas positonic brain.It is not Data.
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I don't know why I'm wading into this - it seems pointless - but the following passages are direct quotes from the in-game Path to 2409. I'm including only passages relevant to the Enterprise-E or Data.
This states quite definitively that according to the STO storyline, Data was restored into B4's body and took command of the Enterprise-E. If we're talking about STO, there is no debate here.
I'm in full agreement with others who have stated that the final mission of the Ent-E is ambiguious. It could well have returned from that mission without a scratch; we simply don't know.
I haven't read the Star Trek Magazine story, but it sounds interesting.
Yeah you do. You seem to have forgotten the entire scene where B4 gets Data's memories.
You are correct. That is B-4 with Data's memories.
A deleted scene from the movie shows the crew going through Data's effects and finding his Emotion Chip.
The novel "Good of the Many" has Datrstom Institute with the help of Geordi trying to "reboot" Data inside of B-4. They eventually succeed with the help of code found in the Emotion Chip.
Data refuses to stay functioning as his engrams would eventually overtake B-4s engrams inside of the positronic brain. Data begins to write code to erase himself from B-4.
B-4 sees the plight of FEderation and it needing Data's help to dealin with the Undine. B-4 makes the ultimate sacrifice by using Data's deletion algorithm on himself to allow his brother to live.
The Data of STO today is Data's copied memories running in the chassis of B-4.
You are right Data is dead. Long live Data.
While at the same time playing a video game that infers and blatantly invokes said sources that he refuses to believe exists, and is of itself a source that he refuses to believe exists. Therefore he is playing a video game that does not exist.
You're trying to reason with someone who purposefully makes a point to be unreasonable -- over a science-fiction franchise.
Technically thats Ezri Tigan in his profile pic.
Also said person looks like a troll to me.
In other words, you are choosing to willfully ignore the entire storyline of the game you're playing, and three entire scenes of the exact movie you're basing your argument on. Which makes you either a troll or a moron, probably both.
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1) Start a conversation about Data being alive or Dead
2) Grab a bowl of popcorn and watch the fireworks as the nerd rage over data begins
Implying Han Solo could beat up Kirk works pretty well, too.
That would easily be a tie. :P
Watching a 80 something year old Kirk kickin a 70 something year old man with a whip. Priceless.
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+1 internets to you, sir.
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