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Some love for KDF please,Cryptic!

floppytechiefloppytechie Member Posts: 136 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Klingon Discussion
So the new tactical warbird gets a hanger,making it an escort carrier.While i bought it the day it released(love the design :cool:) and i play all three factions equally,i cant help but think that my Tac KDF captain has no escort carrier,only a big whale of a ship with a thin veneer of "escort" (the karfi).Before my fed catiain could say that the Armitage was unique to the feds.Then came the Jemhadar escort carrier,a fine ship by all counts,one the KDF could lay their hands on,but sadly a lockbox ship.And then the Scimitar.But still my Reman captain could say that its a "dreadnought with a hanger",so its still unique.But with the advent of the Arkif,that argument is past.:mad:

Come on cryptic,give my KDF captain an escort carrier,heck charge us 3000 zen for it,id still buy it.Make it a nice Nausicaan ship or a Gorn ship;we already have many klingon ships and orion ships make me sick:rolleyes:
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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2013
    Why are we paying 500 more for a ship than anybody else? We're not so Desperate that we'll happily swallow being gouged more than everybody else.

    Our next ship is coming next year. Talk is she's a Cruiser.

    Honestly I'd like a Battle Cloaking Raptor or a 5 Tac Console Raptor before I'd like a Hanger bolted on. We still have 2 unused designs that could get the Fleet treatment.

    I'd like to see BoPs given a balance Pass since the Dhelan and T'Varo really show them up.
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    stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Why are we paying 500 more for a ship than anybody else? We're not so Desperate that we'll happily swallow being gouged more than everybody else.

    Our next ship is coming next year. Talk is she's a Cruiser.
    I'm hoping that was just the devs covering their bases and that the plan to release before the end of the year is still on the table. For a ship that's already designed and partly made, I don't see why it would take a further 3 months plus change to finish it.

    I'm hoping it's a cruiser myself. Since you put the idea in my head, I want it to be a Negh'var refit a la what the Regent did for the Sovereign. :)
    I'd like to see BoPs given a balance Pass since the Dhelan and T'Varo really show them up.
    Agreed
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    sammaelussammaelus Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    now look at it from cryptic's point of view:

    Cryptic: how many people play KDF (even after we scammed them about the "new" content) ?
    A: not enough to milk them - TRIBBLE them with promises of new content (we lie about it for years, who's gonna notice?)


    Cryptic: How many people play FED
    A: considerably more - keep dangling shinies in front of the sheep


    Cryptic: How many people play our new "faction" ROM which we did totally not recycle from the other 2 incomplete factions we have?
    A: remarkably a lot, though they for some reason do not dump as much cash onto us as we'd (and our chinese overlords) like - put a hangar on one of the ships or something




    Don't expect respect or balance from Cryptic, in all games they manage(d to botch) the one and only thing they care about is $$$. They reworded the time-old proverb "Don't fix it if ain't broke" to "Don't fix it if it doesn't relate to microtransaction in-game"
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    floppytechiefloppytechie Member Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Why are we paying 500 more for a ship than anybody else? We're not so Desperate that we'll happily swallow being gouged more than everybody else.


    All cryptic cares about is money,and as not enough play KDF and they wont send us content.So to make them their precious profits,they would need to milk the existing KDF players more than the others.Anyway,the 500 zen was just to show my frustration,heck if they even put a klink desing in a LOCKBOX,id still buy it!!ANYTHING but this never ending stream of lockboxes:mad:
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    marshalericdavidmarshalericdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    They need some new ships in the C-Store

    K'Vort Class Bird of Prey
    Negh'Var Retrofit the Voodieh variant like in TNG Final Episode All Good Things...
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    blitzpigblitzpig Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    As a new Klingon player that has just leveled to Lt. General, I too share the desire for some more Klingon ships. In particular, I'd like to see a retrofit K'tinga that would be available to all
    level 50 players, not just those that belong to a fleet.

    There are two K'tinga retrofits for fleet use now, why? How about making the one that is not marked as a "fleet" ship available to Lt. Generals in the C-Store? I know I would foot the bill for one. To many of us, the K'tinga is the Klingon vessel. It's what we think of when Klingon cruisers are mentioned.

    And please, I am already active in a Fed based fleet, so making time for a Klingon fleet is out of the question.

    Throw a bone to those of use that play the Klingon faction on our own. I'd even go for a K'tinga retrofit "costume" for my Vor'cha, and pay extra for it, or why not have it as an option for us life members?

    The Empire needs more ships.

    Q'pla!
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    davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    They need some new ships in the C-Store

    K'Vort Class Bird of Prey
    Negh'Var Retrofit the Voodieh variant like in TNG Final Episode All Good Things...

    I agree on both those counts. I want to see the underslung rails/nacelles and the forward disruptor turret from "All Good Things"/"Endgame"

    I would also like to see a K'Vort as well. And before people get all worked up, what ship class were those in "The Defector" who came to the Enterprise's assitance?
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    stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The underslung rails/disruptor cannons are on the Negh'var we see in 'Way of the Warrior' and the mirror universe episodes, plus the Voyager episode. The unnamed ships we see in 'All Good Things' don't have the underslung rails. That's the model the Negh'var is erroneously modeled after, rather than the actual ship named Negh'var we see in 'Way of the Warrior'.
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    tksmittytksmitty Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'd buy a KDF version of the Armitage/Ar'kif in a heartbeat. It doesn't even need to be of Klingon design.

    I could see it being a Feresan (like an aggressive cousin of the Atrox) or Orion (they like the Flight-deck stuff anyway) ship. All would need fleet versions, of course.

    But I won't complain if (that's a BIG if) we get a battlecruiser or *gasp* a Scimitar-esque dreadnought.

    However, I still need to get that Bortasqu'...
    Current ship/builds:
    KDF Tac: Bortasqu' Tactical
    Fed Tac: Fleet Gal-X

    Keep those big guns a-thunderin'
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    hawke89305092hawke89305092 Member Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    stofsk wrote: »
    The underslung rails/disruptor cannons are on the Negh'var we see in 'Way of the Warrior' and the mirror universe episodes, plus the Voyager episode. The unnamed ships we see in 'All Good Things' don't have the underslung rails. That's the model the Negh'var is erroneously modeled after, rather than the actual ship named Negh'var we see in 'Way of the Warrior'.
    The Negh'var model in game is missing some of the big spikes the All Good Things version had on the head and nacelles, though.

    And as any true Klingon warrior knows, the more spikes on your ship, the better...
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    eradicator84eradicator84 Member Posts: 1,116 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Definitely some gaps starting to show in KDFs 'native' ship line up escort wise imo.
    5 tac slot escort and Escort with hanger.

    On the Escort carrier route, I'm kinda of the opinion it should be a beefed up raptor I think.
    Orions do cruisers, Gorn do sci ships, Nausicans do the more traditional escorts. Raptor fits the bill quite possibly.

    Maybe even a new ship from the Fek'Ihri might suit. Only one type of playable ship from them atm. A miniature Karfi anyone? :D
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I would certainly buy and enjoy a KDF faction escort carrier. A Ferasin version would be awesome.
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    romaltyaromaltya Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    What I don't understand is why they don't rework the ships the KDF already has.. A lot of them has roles that are more or less copyed to the ROM faction but the rom factions ships has considerably more firepower, hull strenght and is about as versatile as the KDFs.. I love(d) my KDF tac captain even to the point where I accepted being ludicrilously underpowered vice a vie the fed.. But with the new faction being almost identical to the KDF in many tactical options I have more or less given up on my good old KDF captain..

    To make up for it I did chose to stay allied with the KDF..
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    stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The Negh'var model in game is missing some of the big spikes the All Good Things version had on the head and nacelles, though.

    And as any true Klingon warrior knows, the more spikes on your ship, the better...
    True enough. The Negh'var model in game isn't faithful to the Negh'var OR the Voodieh! :P
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    zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    stofsk wrote: »
    True enough. The Negh'var model in game isn't faithful to the Negh'var OR the Voodieh! :P

    Yeah its classic fed side cut and paste and call it klingon. From the current state of affairs though we are not even deemed worthy of a romulan cut and paste though.
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    carasucia83carasucia83 Member Posts: 568 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    sammaelus wrote: »
    now look at it from cryptic's point of view:

    Cryptic: how many people play KDF (even after we scammed them about the "new" content) ?
    A: not enough to milk them - TRIBBLE them with promises of new content (we lie about it for years, who's gonna notice?)


    Cryptic: How many people play FED
    A: considerably more - keep dangling shinies in front of the sheep


    Cryptic: How many people play our new "faction" ROM which we did totally not recycle from the other 2 incomplete factions we have?
    A: remarkably a lot, though they for some reason do not dump as much cash onto us as we'd (and our chinese overlords) like - put a hangar on one of the ships or something




    Don't expect respect or balance from Cryptic, in all games they manage(d to botch) the one and only thing they care about is $$$. They reworded the time-old proverb "Don't fix it if ain't broke" to "Don't fix it if it doesn't relate to microtransaction in-game"

    If your 3rd point were true, they wouldn't still be using the 'chewbacca defense' as a reason we don't have a full rom faction.

    I pretty much agree with all this though.
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Build an actual Klingon Warship!!!! Something even Kahless would smile about and wish to ride into battle!!
    I will pay!!!
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Build an actual Klingon Warship!!!! Something even Kahless would smile about and wish to ride into battle!!
    I will pay!!!

    I don't know if there would be some liscencing issues with this concrete example I'm about to post, but I'd gladly pay 5k Zen for a single beast like this one:

    D70
    Khin'vagh

    Now there's a battleship for my taste! ;)

    Honestly, I simply can't understand why is it so damn hard to give the KDF at least one C-Store T5 ship in two years. I feel that Cryptic should really be ashamed of this.
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    marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    On the Escort carrier route, I'm kinda of the opinion it should be a beefed up raptor I think.
    Orions do cruisers, Gorn do sci ships, Nausicans do the more traditional escorts. Raptor fits the bill quite possibly.

    I hope they break that tradition and we see a Orion escort, gorn cruiser and a nausicaan sci ship/carrier seeing as they invented siphon drones.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    I don't know if there would be some liscencing issues with this concrete example I'm about to post, but I'd gladly pay 5k Zen for a single beast like this one:

    D70
    Khin'vagh

    Now there's a battleship for my taste! ;)

    Honestly, I simply can't understand why is it so damn hard to give the KDF at least one C-Store T5 ship in two years. I feel that Cryptic should really be ashamed of this.
    *points at Bortas*

    On the upside, several of the existing ships will get new registry prefix options tomorrow.
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It would just be nice to get a reasonably designed KDF vessel thats balanced between Tactical and Engineering with a smidgeon of science that does not get nerfed because of the feds crying foul because frankly except for a few fleet choices, all KDF faction choices feel a little gimped.
    Yes, I too would like some more non-klingon ships also.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    It would just be nice to get a reasonably designed KDF vessel thats balanced between Tactical and Engineering with a smidgeon of science that does not get nerfed because of the feds crying foul because frankly except for a few fleet choices, all KDF faction choices feel a little gimped.
    Yes, I too would like some more non-klingon ships also.
    Yes, I would love to see a Kilrathi, er... Ferasan battle carrier. :D
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    I don't know if there would be some liscencing issues with this concrete example I'm about to post, but I'd gladly pay 5k Zen for a single beast like this one:

    D70
    Khin'vagh

    Now there's a battleship for my taste! ;)

    Honestly, I simply can't understand why is it so damn hard to give the KDF at least one C-Store T5 ship in two years. I feel that Cryptic should really be ashamed of this.

    It could, from its sleeknlooks, be a great KDF rom hybrid.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    *points at Bortas*

    On the upside, several of the existing ships will get new registry prefix options tomorrow.

    Uhm.....remind me again when was the Bortasqu' 3-pack released? And according to Cpt.Geko the new C-Store ship we were suposed to get this year is pushed back for next year. How many years does that make it? So yeah, 2 years.

    But do you see what are we discussing here? We're discussing wheather a faction in a MMO that tries to pass itself as a quality title (at least I hope so) got a single end-game ship in 20 or 24 months. That's a sad state of the things IMHO.

    I agree that new registry prefixes are a nice move especially for people interested in RP or desiring to stay in character, I already said this in the patchnotes thread. But by no crazy circumistances is it possible registry prefixes to substitute an actual ship you can buy and use at end game PvE or PvP.
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    I don't know if there would be some liscencing issues with this concrete example I'm about to post, but I'd gladly pay 5k Zen for a single beast like this one:

    D70
    Khin'vagh

    Now there's a battleship for my taste! ;)

    Licensing issues?
    Probably lots of them from past talks on the matter.
    Wishstone told us y long time ago that they can't use fan designs unless they come from a contest like the one for the Enterprise-F.:(
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Licensing issues?
    Probably lots of them from past talks on the matter.
    Wishstone told us y long time ago that they can't use fan designs unless they come from a contest like the one for the Enterprise-F.:(

    Yeah I assumed that much, that's why I said something like that and not the ship itself - although it really looks cool to me and I'd love one.

    I'd be just as much satisfied with Cryptic's own design of a new KDF ship. While I have very little faith in Cryptic designing proper looking Starfleet ships, I have all the faith in the world in their KDF ship designs. They've proven this before, at least for my taste they have made some really cool looking KDF ships.
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    negvar1negvar1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ok forgive any spelling errors as this is my first post. the fleet tor'khat is simply a beast when well flown, mine turns at 19 dgs per sec and does 6k dps and is tanky as ten yards of blue blazes on my tac i can circle at 8-10 k and starfe for massive effect it has no equalivent on feddy side and is the one warship we have far superiour to anything they have
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Uhm.....remind me again when was the Bortasqu' 3-pack released? And according to Cpt.Geko the new C-Store ship we were suposed to get this year is pushed back for next year. How many years does that make it? So yeah, 2 years.

    But do you see what are we discussing here? We're discussing wheather a faction in a MMO that tries to pass itself as a quality title (at least I hope so) got a single end-game ship in 20 or 24 months. That's a sad state of the things IMHO.

    I agree that new registry prefixes are a nice move especially for people interested in RP or desiring to stay in character, I already said this in the patchnotes thread. But by no crazy circumistances is it possible registry prefixes to substitute an actual ship you can buy and use at end game PvE or PvP.
    I started playing in season 3. Yes, I attempted to play KDF back then.... didn't work very well... Looking at the way KDF is now compared to back then, I really don't see why people whine about it so much.
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    pwetacodeathpwetacodeath Member Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I just want to see more T5 Ships that can be made into Fleet Ships. Tired of having to pay for 4 Fleet modules for every KDF fleet ship, when I can get basically any and all FED Fleet ships for 1 module.
    And yes a 5 console Tac ship would be nice as well.
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I started playing in season 3. Yes, I attempted to play KDF back then.... didn't work very well... Looking at the way KDF is now compared to back then, I really don't see why people whine about it so much.

    I assume that's because Cryptic with their treatment of the KDF faction in the past made you lower your standards and expectations from them for the KDF.
    To me if a developer wants to sell a MMO as a quality title, and I certainly hope that a Star Trek game is suposed to meet the requirements for that, it's absolutely unforgivable to have such huge discrepancies between the factions in game. In a quality game the factions you have availible for people to choose from should be equal on all levels.
    Yes the KDF has been largely improved from the joke it was a couple of years ago, but the gap between the KDF and Federation factions is still the size of the Grand Canyon.

    However, noone in this thread is whining about the state of the KDF. People are just asking for one single T5 ship in the C-Store for this faction in 2 years. That's 2 years of power creep with nothing to compensate for it. Seen how the ships in STO are the main thing and more or less an extension of one's character, I really don't see how this qualifies as "whining".
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