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Permanent death in your MMO....Good or Bad idea?
hawkwing43
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Over at Star Citizen, they will have a Permanent Death system in place from what I understand. It will work something like this.
Your toon will do missions, and when they fail at the mission, they will take a hit to their over all health. (Only if you meet with death that is.) So depending on how bad you take that hit, you blow up with your ship, get shot in the head or whatever nasty bit of meeting your end. You will take hits to yout over all health, and your toon will show scares to boot.
You take one respawn too me, the last one will be yout last. But it's not the end of your game, as a benorfactor takes over some of your stuff, while yout main guy in buried with whatever honors you gain over your time in the game. I and still looking into this system, and I know I missed a few key points. I will look into it more later.
But how would you feel if STO took on a permanent death system?
Your toon will do missions, and when they fail at the mission, they will take a hit to their over all health. (Only if you meet with death that is.) So depending on how bad you take that hit, you blow up with your ship, get shot in the head or whatever nasty bit of meeting your end. You will take hits to yout over all health, and your toon will show scares to boot.
You take one respawn too me, the last one will be yout last. But it's not the end of your game, as a benorfactor takes over some of your stuff, while yout main guy in buried with whatever honors you gain over your time in the game. I and still looking into this system, and I know I missed a few key points. I will look into it more later.
But how would you feel if STO took on a permanent death system?
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If a designer is just throwing it into a game for a cheap 'difficulty', then no, it's not fun or interesting to deal with. It's just poor design trying to sell itself as being harder.
IMO, this is not a perma death system. Perma death is where you would have to start over with no form of benefactor or clone to backup to.
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But i certainly wouldn't play the ones i spend enough money to run a small town on thats for sure.
One of my first realizations that STO was not supposed to be 'realistic' in terms of space combat and travel is that there is no collision damage between your ship and other objects (such as asteroids, space stations, other ships, etc.). Part of me recognized that having collision damage detection would not be in the player's favor because there are so many bad pilots. Can you imagine the outcry of having to take damage and respawn when you haphazardly run head-on into an asteroid instead of dodging it?
Even the injury system in the game is a watered down death penalty. Suffering 2 or 3% damage loss from death is nothing. It has no real long-term effect unless you start acquiring multiple injuries, and even then I think they have a certain cap.
Star Citizen is going to compete with EvE Online, not STO. STO is an extremely easy game with an extremely easy PvE and PvP experience.
STO is hopscotch in terms of skill level and difficulty, EvE Online and Star Citizen are really the professional sports league. If you want a difficult sci-fi game, play Faster Than Light. If you want an easy game, play Space Invaders.
If you suck at playing EvE Online or Star Citizen, you can always return to STO and be "good" at playground hopscotch.
There could be an ingame scoreboard of the furthest advanced characters in the league. There should be a minimum monthly expertise gain in order to keep your spot on the board though.
You can already try that in STO just do the following:
1. Take you favorite character
2. Play the game
3. When you blow up for whatever reason, unseen mega torp, server lag, etc......log back into the character select screen.
4. Delete toon
STO is a casual space combat game with no death penalties other than occasionally fixing injuries and respawning which is why the majority of players don't even PvP they want to relax after work and experience a Trekish getaway from RL.
If you want a hardcore experience delete your toon upon any death or play EVE.
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The other MMORPG I play, Underlight, has permanent death, though it's rare. In that game it's the full thing - any items your character is carrying are lost, end of story. I think it's great - it gives the game a whole extra dimension to know that if you push your luck too far, that CAN happen. At the moment, it can only happen at the hands of one of the super-beings played by GMs (that's how small Underlight is, the GMs run their own characters and that provides a lot of the plot). It used to be possible for player characters to achieve the "Strike skill", too, but that hasn't happened for a long time, and the suggestion of bringing it back always causes a row on the game forum. I get the impression the GMs may be plotting it again just now, though.
That said, I wouldn't want it on STO. Underlight is suited to it; collecting the best possible items is a much less important part of the game, for instance, and because RP is a part of the gameplay, even a Level 1 character is right there in the thick of it. In fact, a Level 1 character has been driving a large chunk of the plot for months, until she pushed her luck too far last month and got the chop. In STO it's different - there's just so much work involved in the nitty gritty of building up a character from the ground.
Of course it is optional. Your option is to not play.
"he's as dangerous as a ferret with a chainsaw."
(Although there are people working on mitigating or entirely removing permadeath from it...)
I play STO to relax. I can't relax if everything I've done is literally on the line. It sounds like a great feature for people with more money (or time) than sense - and has been pointed out already, if that's what you're into, EvE Online is over that way.
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Yeah. All the posts in this forum just radiate contentment and serenity. :rolleyes:
If, Eve had ground avatars and better visuals, I'd be playing Eve. So, don't worry, when SC goes live, players won't need you to suggest they leave you with this kindergarten game.
When you die, delete your char, then your account... Bingo, death.
Now...
As always: This is the worst idea, of all the lousy ideas ever given on these formus...
Even worse than Superl (old guys know who I am talking about) trying to be EP.
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
For example, I think permadeath in a zombie apocalypse MMO would be fine because in that setting, you want to feel like you're in danger every second.
In the early days of Star Wars Galaxies, when the first Jedi were introduced, they had permadeath. While most people railed against that, I loved it. Jedi in that era were hunted ferociously by the Empire. I loved the idea that my jedi felt like he was in constant danger.
However, I don't think permadeath would fit with the tone and style of a Star Trek MMO. I think it would detract from the experience instead of add to it. Star Trek isn't about constant tension. It's about exploration, action, and fun. I don't think permadeath would contribute to that feeling.
Permadeath is the diametric extreme to what we (nearly) have now, in STO. Suggesting that people suicide their characters is ridiculous. It is the shared experience, which is part of what makes an MMO different from a single player game.
Psuedo-Elitism is not an attractive look for you. Nor anyone else for that matter.
Having something like this in STO does not really increase the difficulty of the game. It merely give pwe/cryptic carte blanche to pick someone's pocket.
Permanent death of a character in STO? Well, OP, it sounds like there's not true permanent death in the game you mentioned. If there was, your account would be deleted and you'd have to start over completely from scratch. With no 'mysterious benefactor' who passes on that Mega Oblivion Quad Cannon Mk XII your new toon just inherited from his/her Great Uncle Horatio. Who mysteriously disappeared one day on Drozana Station, never to be seen again.
It's a game. Not a lifestyle choice. Real Life - Sucks. Bad. I come to STO to have fun and forget about Real Life for awhile. Whyever would I want to play something which I have to start anew every time I commit a tactical faux pas?
And yes, as a matter of fact, I did quit playing EvE Online after getting a free trial. Having a game in which you can't complete your third mission without getting ganked every five minutes does not appeal to me. Apparently, it appeals to you, and I commend it to your attention. Enjoy. Just please quit being a Stop Having Fun Guy.
The problem stems from the fact that "disposability" is a foreign concept in the MMO verse. As long as the player character is designed from the ground up to be "disposable" (like in Day Z, where everyone is the same faceless goon) it could totally be a thing.
I've actually thought of something similar where after a total party kill you re-spawn in your ships sickbay.
I can just speak for myself. I tried EvE for a while. Was kind of an on-off relationship (and no, you ususally do not get ganked as soon as you leave a station). Its not that I sucked at playing EvE, its that EvE sucked immense at entertaining me in PvE. Which is ok, since its a PvP game. And PvP is something I do not really enjoy most of the time & if I like some PvP I most defineatly not look for it in these type of games like EvE or STO (unless I'm drunk and get dragged into it by fleetmates).
So, pretty please, take your "Cool Gamers play <whatever game you fancy more than STO> & the kiddys stay here" attitude and stuff it where the sun is not meant to shine.
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