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iczeramc
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KDF have Birds of Pery/And the Fer'Jai Frigates
Tholain's get Mesh Weavers.
Jem'Hadar Bug ships.
Not sure where the Romulan Drones stand on HP.
But every other race gets a heavy attack ship for their carriers.
I mean not even the Caition full blown carrier gets anything bigger then a fighter.
Now I get that the Armitage couldn't launch frigate class ships, but shuttles VS birds of pery unfair.
I hope we get something for Fed ships(along with hopefully a full blown United Federation of Planets styled Carrier)
I mean Birds of Pery seem OP to me in game with Elites getting Repid Fire and High Yield III for abilities and like 33,000HP at rank 5
They also blow up a lot less and do not get one shotted when things use any rank of Beams Fire at will.
But yeah I hope we will see something bigger then Shuttles some day for the Fed side
Tholain's get Mesh Weavers.
Jem'Hadar Bug ships.
Not sure where the Romulan Drones stand on HP.
But every other race gets a heavy attack ship for their carriers.
I mean not even the Caition full blown carrier gets anything bigger then a fighter.
Now I get that the Armitage couldn't launch frigate class ships, but shuttles VS birds of pery unfair.
I hope we get something for Fed ships(along with hopefully a full blown United Federation of Planets styled Carrier)
I mean Birds of Pery seem OP to me in game with Elites getting Repid Fire and High Yield III for abilities and like 33,000HP at rank 5
They also blow up a lot less and do not get one shotted when things use any rank of Beams Fire at will.
But yeah I hope we will see something bigger then Shuttles some day for the Fed side
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But yeah I don't think we will see it, but I mean Miranda Class Ships could be modded or something along the lines of the Steamrunner/Zephyr Class would be go to small ships. Or even the Aquarius Destroyer could work.
Even the Elite Type 10s(From what I hear) don't last anywhere near as long as the Birds of Pery.
Some of it is just me letting off steam, the Figher Pet updates was nice and all.
Just kinda want to have a fed class Frigate with a Fed styled Carrier.
I personally don't like the Caition so yeah, and Fed is the only faction to have a full on carrier styled like the rest of the ships.
Caition counts to a point, but their on loan from the Caition Defense Force lol
Fighter/Shuttle They launch in wings of 3
Runabouts They launch in wings of 2
Frigates They launch in wings of 1
The Cooldown goes up the less ships get launched. Frigates take about a minute. Romulan Drone ships are counted as Frigates. KDF Siphon Drones are counted as fighters.
I consider Runabouts to be the best choice Fed side.
Honestly I think the Stalkers should be converted into Frigates and Peregrines take the place as fighters. Rename the player class one too.
Mirandas are a ridiculous choice for a Carrier Frigate, and according to canon bigger than a BoP. The Aquarius is meant to be paired with an Odyssey. And it's silly for an Atrox to have Federation designed Frigates.
The best solution is to give it Catian designed Frigates. Since it's an old ship and Cryptic rarely go back and rebalance ships I don't think this is likely. And I think the lack of Atrox Frigates is incredibly unfair.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Each hangar supports 2 deployed frigates at any given time.
Yes, that's true, but he was just saying that they launch one at a time.
100% correct
All Hangers support 2 Wings which means 6 Fighters, 4 Runabouts or 2 Frigates. I listed the amount launched from each every cooldown.
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When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
And before someone bashes me for not making a comment about it.
Yes I do know Fed players have the ability to pilot ships with Frigate class Hanger units(Jem'Dread, Recluse)
But still ever other race which gets a Carrier also gets Frigates.(Other then the Fed side)
And Honestly I wouldn't have a problem as much, but Fighters and Shuttles don't pack near the bite that Frigate do.
@ dknight0001
The only problem I have with Runabouts is it's harder to Synergize with them.
Runnabouts: Carry 1 Phaser Beam Array and 1 Chroniton Tropedo Launcher.
I myself don't find Chroniton's to be very useful in PVE which is what I play mostly.
So yes I could work on a Phaser build Armatiage with Cannons build and I've thought about this once my fleet reaches Tier 5 Science and I can get the Yellowstone Hanger units.
Delta Flyers: Carryer 1 Phaser Beam Array and 1 Transphasic Torpedo launcher.
My own thoughts is that these Transphasic Torpedos are best used against shields.
Once your target's shields are down Trasnphasic lose some of their over all bite.
Again a Phaser build could be used, but the damage from the Phaser arrays is still kinda weak, so upping them by 80% is nice, but it's 80% of only 50-100 damage.
Though I do change to these when I do Hive Onslaught as the Queen never seems to lose shields. Mind you they get zapped a lot too because hanger units seems to cause the Queen to "Beams Fire at Will" more often.
My Current build is using the Peregrines as bombers.
Peregrines: Carry 1 Phaser Pulse Cannon(min Turret it seems), Phaser Dual Cannons, and a Quantum Torpedo launcher
In my Build I use Quantum Torpedo boat and the Peregrines can git anywhere from 5000-7000 on unshielded targets.
If your wondering yes I do a lot of STF which is why I run this.
Waiting on Dilithium to get a MVA so I can do other things.
Anyway I like them as Bombers, but they get picked off super super easy.
You can run any weapon you like.
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When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Indeed.
And disruptor comes to mind as the resistance debuff will help your pets damage.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Instead of full blown starship frigate, the Federation gets a unique new pet class:
Scout ships.
Think about the one Data flew in Insurrection.
Small, nimble one man ships, but tough enough to go up against So'na cruiser.
Yes, but that is exactly it: IT was another game, and thus we'd probably never see the Typhon/Typhon-class.
Too bad. I would like to have seen it have a layout similar to the Klingon Kar'fir.
Or seem to anyway, though it's harder to take notice on Phaser Relays as the fighters's DPS is low as it is. Though it's easier to see on Torpedo consoles.
Advanced Peregrines: use Quantum Torpedos, and would normally do anywhere from 3000-ish-5000-ish damage, stacking 4 Quantum consoles takes the the damage from that to 4500-ish upwards of 6500-ish. (Against unshielded Targets)
As far as "Star Trek Invasion" it would be awesome to see some fighters with that level oh power, but that isn't likely as we haven't been able to get the rights to other games ship designs.
Condor Heavy Bomber, based on the Peregrine Fighter, but upgraded with heavier armament and a reinforced hull.
Make these roughly the same durability as a Runabout pet, give it DHCs, and either Quantum or Tricobalt Torpedos with HY1 and better, and make it where the bombers pull out of their attack run when launching the Tricos
Condor Heavy Bomber - 1 DHC, 1 Tricobalt, no powers
Advanced Condor Heavy Bomber (Dilithium) - 2 DHCs, 1 Tricobalt, HY1
Elite Condor Heavy Bomber (Fleet) - 2 DHCs, 1 Tricobalt, HY2, another power, defensive, maybe a self heal like Aux2SIF.
It is a really FED like ship. Other question is, it fit for the Caitian Atrox or not. Maybe it fit with a blue paintjob
This This This...
Anything else would be a waste.
It also begs to be flown by players as a "small" craft.
And the Scout ship would be nice, not sure why it hasn't appeared in game yet.
But there are still many cannon ships that have not been seen, so I wonder if it's a copy right thing or just their to do list.
Though it's cool the Elite Runabouts are the Yellowstones =D
Please someone tell me they can't use the Drones on the updated Ar?Kif >.>
What I've noticed is that they make more money from Ship bundles (and lock box keys) than carrier pets on the C-Store. Therefore I'm expecting another 10 ships for season 8 instead of a federation Frigate.
Anyway, I do also know that asking for anything bigger then what we have will most likely never see the light of day as far as carrier pets go.
I love my Armitage, but it's lacking the bite the other Heavy Escort Carriers have.
The Jem'hadar Heavy Escort being only slightly better, bit more tanky and with a full Jem'hadar set it helps augment the fighters some.
Directed Energy Modulation on the Jem'hadar fighters give them a edge in damage.
They still can't take hits worth a damn, but their ****s hurt a bit more.
But I mean Fed ships have needed a bit of a update for a while the poor Galaxy X is showing it's age poorly.
I hope the Armitage fairs better in the end.
Still not sure what to do with the Ensign Tac Bright officer slot some times though.
On the other hand: Recuse got its unique Mesh Weavers, only usable by that one ship, quite a long time after its first introduction.
Being how similar the Atrox is the to the Vo'quv, yet...worse...because it costs so much more, it does seem like the big blue kitty carrier should unlock a federation frigate pet. It even makes sense for Cryptic, since sales of that ship would see a big surge if it offered a new pet that could be used on other federation-owned heavy carriers. Big return on investment since the Atrox itself is already built.
The closest thing we might get is some Caitian frigate design that can be added to the Atrox. Other than that, carriers on the FED side will probably be limited to fighters and shuttles.
The KDF has access to larger ships like B'rels, but Federation players have shuttles that have a variety of useful abilities, so I guess it's supposed to even out somewhere along the line.
Fighters DPS is poor over all compared to the frigates.
I'm just annoyed we lack the bite all the other HEC seem to have and it's mostly by way of skills on the Hanger units.
Though if the last "Q&A" is to be believed(or remotely close to being implemented) then we could see some type of new Synergy with the two Point Defense consoles coming into play.
The other thing is if I want to augment the Arimitage to the best of it's abilities then it means using normal Peregrine or Elite type 10 Shuttles.(A Phaser/Photon build)
Also I wonder why they picked the type 10 shuttles as I don't recall seeing those on the show at all.
The Type 8s were on TNG a lot, and Voyager had type 12(which I'd still like to see as Carrier pets)
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When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Though... I suspect that the 3rd Galaxy variant mentioned in the Geko interview may be the clue. It would most probably have a hangar, and they might stick a frigate in there.
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