Lol, instead to point arguments, you talking that im low So expected
Yes, it is cowardish way of play, you can be cloaked for 90 percent of the match, decloak, kill, escape... what is cowardish more then that? If we fight, stand and fight, no to hit me from behind and when i start to shoot, you escape like **sy
I know ways to deal with romulans and that kind of attacks on me, i have fleet, we are all pvp-ers, but we dont speak here that is imposible to kill and decloak romulans, we are saying that Romulans are overpowered in compare with FED/KDF. Yes, you can drop particle burst, photonic, etc, but if u know they are in range. If they have only little brain, they will not be in range, they will pick target, watch for what that target using, and pick a moment, then decloak, bo dem doff crit, and kill for few seconds (i saw players who can kill you in less then 2 seconds that way, for example MT, Snakie, etc), if your teammate try to track him, or intercept, he drops singulartiy, evasive, and escape to cloak again. How that is not cowardish?
Other thing, i didnt say MT is low player, read again, i sead he is maybe best tactician in the game, i saw him in bug ship, he was - more then excelent, i admired him; and now, way he is fighting on his romulan toon - its discusting, i would spit on him if i can.
*sigh*...
Very well, you know you're right, I won't bother you with facts anymore.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Lol, instead to point arguments, you talking that im low So expected
Yes, it is cowardish way of play, you can be cloaked for 90 percent of the match, decloak, kill, escape... what is cowardish more then that? If we fight, stand and fight, no to hit me from behind and when i start to shoot, you escape like **sy
I know ways to deal with romulans and that kind of attacks on me, i have fleet, we are all pvp-ers, but we dont speak here that is imposible to kill and decloak romulans, we are saying that Romulans are overpowered in compare with FED/KDF. Yes, you can drop particle burst, photonic, etc, but if u know they are in range. If they have only little brain, they will not be in range, they will pick target, watch for what that target using, and pick a moment, then decloak, bo dem doff crit, and kill for few seconds (i saw players who can kill you in less then 2 seconds that way, for example MT, Snakie, etc), if your teammate try to track him, or intercept, he drops singulartiy, evasive, and escape to cloak again. How that is not cowardish?
Other thing, i didnt say MT is low player, read again, i sead he is maybe best tactician in the game, i saw him in bug ship, he was - more then excelent, i admired him; and now, way he is fighting on his romulan toon - its discusting, i would spit on him if i can.
Ok I give up on trying to educate fish your either 8 year old, seriously deluded on some kind or 91 year old and won't change your ways to Adapt
Using singularity powers knocks your cloak off for 5 seconds your evasive should be as fast as theirs get after him this isn't cowardess this is tactics
So If a science captain comes up to you kicks your TRIBBLE Subnukes you then hits you with jam sensors or heavy grab beam then some tac comes along and whips you in the mean time the sci has disappeared from your screen under jam sensors. I ask you would your kiddy brain say that this is being a coward too you. I won't be coming back to find out your answer but i fear its probably yes
I think you should not comment ever again in the forums and do one
saying you would spit on Some of the best regarded players in the game yeah good way to make friends that one
Hop in your galaxy head to Kerrat get in zone chat and do your crying there never know someone might listen or not
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I don't mind the proliferation of superior cloaking technology for the Romulans. After all, it is they who originally developed cloaks (Klingons got it from them in trade; In return, the Romulans got badly needed D7 cruisers; Their ship design and power supplies were terrible back in TOS days), and continued to push their development and refinement.
What I do mind is the sheer amount of advantages given to them, at no cost in design and gameplay. Again, the ships pay for nothing to have the advantages. But their BOFF & Trait design completely and utterly breaks balance.
If you're a regular KDF or Federation player, even if you don't PVP, you should care a whole damn lot. Because there are places you PVE and compete with each other for ranking. He/She who does the most pew, gets 1st place and gets the kewl lewtz. The Romulans already enter this fight with huge advantages to be taken up on.
No design and setup with regular KDF or Federation players can even come close to the setup and advantages the Romulans get.
I've never really bought the argument that Romulans would automatically have better cloaks than the Klingons. The Klingon Empire has a decent R&D department to develop their own technology and improve what technology they get their hands on. Klingons aren't stupid, it's just that most of the Klingons you see are KDF soldiers. . .and intelligence isn't exactly a required trait in the KDF.
And even if the argument were really valid, it still doesn't explain why all Romulan ships have battlecloaks while all KDF ships except the BoP have standard cloaks. In canon, at least, both sides used their cloaks in roughly the same manner. Romulans were just a little more willing to use it on a regular basis.
So let me get this straight... you get your butt slapped around by a tactic that is SMART... and you call it unfair...
So let me ask you this. How is fighting smart being cowardly? Isn't this exactly what KDF BoPs spend their whole lives doing? There is nothing cowardly about using what is given to you. And there are so many hard counters to cloaking that it's just silly to complain about this.
All I can say is grow up, learn the game, and after all your attempts at decloaking/beating cloakers have failed, then you ask for help on how to beat them instead of call OP and cry for nerfs.
Indeed. As it stands right now, the only thing keeping the KDF BoP relevant is the battlecloak. NOT using the battlecloak on the KDF BoP would be stupid, as you're keeping yourself from using one of the two major advantages of the class.
Or if Cloaking would actually cost Aux Power in combat.
Nah, I don't think that's really necessary. Given that there are at least half-a-dozen ways of disabling cloaks, and the fact that I can still be spotted by a Sensor Scan or very high-aux anti-cloakers (even with 6 points into Stealth and usually running 60-70 to aux while cloaked), I'd say the cloak has enough weaknesses as it is.
Lol, instead to point arguments, you talking that im low So expected
Yes, it is cowardish way of play, you can be cloaked for 90 percent of the match, decloak, kill, escape... what is cowardish more then that? If we fight, stand and fight, no to hit me from behind and when i start to shoot, you escape like **sy
I know ways to deal with romulans and that kind of attacks on me, i have fleet, we are all pvp-ers, but we dont speak here that is imposible to kill and decloak romulans, we are saying that Romulans are overpowered in compare with FED/KDF. Yes, you can drop particle burst, photonic, etc, but if u know they are in range. If they have only little brain, they will not be in range, they will pick target, watch for what that target using, and pick a moment, then decloak, bo dem doff crit, and kill for few seconds (i saw players who can kill you in less then 2 seconds that way, for example MT, Snakie, etc), if your teammate try to track him, or intercept, he drops singulartiy, evasive, and escape to cloak again. How that is not cowardish?
Other thing, i didnt say MT is low player, read again, i sead he is maybe best tactician in the game, i saw him in bug ship, he was - more then excelent, i admired him; and now, way he is fighting on his romulan toon - its discusting, i would spit on him if i can.
B'rel is very flexible compare to t'varo though I'm honestly confused why the t'varo has 3 back weapons, better console layout is debatable tact consoles aren't the end all be all. With one more tact console you won't see that large of a jump in dps. The b'rel how ever even with its lower hp can invest skill points better and not have to worry about the power drain that romulan ships have to deal with, which is a overall -40. A skilled B'rel pilot will have a much more durable ship.
But your first point in that romulan loose nothing that is so false.. ok for one thing singularity cores hamper skill builds requiring us to invest heavily in power to get the same durability that kdf and fed get base line. even elite singularity cores only give us 10 of that lost power, and 30 at max singularity charge( please note that at max charge our battle cloak is worse then klingon's cloak) . Our ships out of cloak turn slower as well.
I do not deny there are some things that need to be changed like stacking boff passives, and klingon shield mods.. But other then that they all have their individual strengths and weaknesses you, just have to adapt to the way your ship works.
The B'Rel is more durable? Not sure what you're seeing here (B'Rel Retrofit, T'Varo Retrofit)
HULL (B'Rel, T'Varo): 22.5k, 27k
SHIELD MOD: 0.8, 0.9
The numbers say otherwise.
The B'Rel and all other KDF BOPs, though having full Universal slots, pay for it with having 1 less BOFF skill (Fleet Norgh gets full 12, but has 9 consoles as a "Fleet" ship), the lowest non-shuttle hullpoints and shield mods in the game. With Cryptic handing everybody Universal BOFF stations now, everybody else gets flexibility but pays no price and still reap the 12 max BOFF skills. The T'Varo's BOFF station setup leans towards TAC, but with a LtCdr Universal, it can be made to do practically any role that this Warbird will be required to do. Sci? Torpboat? Minelayer? Regular cloaking/decloaking attacks? It can do it all, just as much as the B'Rel can, and pays no price at all like the B'Rel and all other KDF BOPs do, and the Fleet version having 4 TAC Consoles, it can perform alot of its offensive actions in a superior manner than even the Fleet B'Rel. Because 4 ENG Consoles on a 24k hull Fleet Ship screams offensive / SCI power...
Also, the Romulan Singularity subsystem power penalty isn't much at all. It is when your character is still levelling. But in endgame, especially once you throw in much better Singularity Cores, reputation traits, space equipment sets and bonuses, etc., the "lower subsystem power" is no longer an issue at all. Please, tell me when was the last time you worried about prioritizing which subsystem needs more power than another on your Warbird at endgame?
... None at endgame?
Cool, now you got a bunch of free powers at no cost of BOFF stations, no cost of Console Slots, no cost of anything really, because the lower subsystem power of Singularity Cores have been mitigated.
And Romulan ships turn slower out of cloak?
T'Varo Retrofit: 18 turn rate
Dhelan Retrofit: 16
Mogai Retrofit: 14
The poor D'Deridex Retrofit: 5 (2 console set adds +2)
Haakona Adv Warbird: 5, but Dual-Vector Console helps alleviating this
Scimitar: 7
Ha'apax Adv Warbird: 5
Ha'nom: 10
Ha'feh: 16
KDF
Hegh'ta BOP (the standard; still the most commonly used BOP for KDF players): 21
Qin Raptor: 15
Guramba Siege Destroyer: 15
Bortasqu': 5.5
Vo'Quv: 5
T5 Vor'Cha series: 10
T5 Negh'Var series: 9
Scourge Retrofit: 17
Marauder FDC: 7
Varanus: 11
Starfleet:
Defiant Retrofit: 17
MVAE Retrofit: 16, though MV Console will vary this to higher points
Patrol Escort series: 16
Heavy Escort Carrier series: 15
Andorian Escorts: 16
Galaxy-class Retrofit: 6
Assault Cruiser / Regent / Sovereign series: 7
Odyssey: 6
Vesta: 12
Nebula series: 9
Atrox: 5
Intrepid series: 12
So... Romulan Warbirds have comparable out of cloak turn rates to the other groups. But, they do maneuver alot better while in cloak. Not even the cloakable KDF ships can do that.
On top of all the other things I stated before, the odds are heavily favored for the Romulans. And when Cryptic implements more regular DOFF missions to get BOFFs, it will get **ridiculous** when they can more easily (and cheaply) access Very Rare BOFFs with Superior Infiltrator, Superior Operative traits, that all stack.
Another thing: Before LOR, when a ship Battlecloaks against you in combat, and they were in weapons range, that KDF BOP captain gave you a free ticket to kill him. It was often a death sentence to do such a thing under fire. With Romulan Warbirds, their BOFFs stack so much defenses when you hit cloak, they do NOT worry about that when they hit cloaks during combat. It's actually tactically SMARTER to do that, provided you took a few small steps. But a KDF BOP is dead meat if still in weapons range.
Again, there are no weaknesses to Romulan Warbirds. For Battlecloaks handed out like candy all around, they suffer no penalty in hullpoints, no penalty in shield mods, no penalty in anything. Whatever designed weaknesses there were supposed to be, are easily negated (Singularity Subsystem Power).
The game is handed to the Romulans on a silver platter.
The B'Rel is more durable? Not sure what you're seeing here (B'Rel Retrofit, T'Varo Retrofit)
HULL (B'Rel, T'Varo): 22.5k, 27k
SHIELD MOD: 0.8, 0.9
The numbers say otherwise.
The B'Rel and all other KDF BOPs, though having full Universal slots, pay for it with having 1 less BOFF skill (Fleet Norgh gets full 12, but has 9 consoles as a "Fleet" ship), the lowest non-shuttle hullpoints and shield mods in the game. With Cryptic handing everybody Universal BOFF stations now, everybody else gets flexibility but pays no price and still reap the 12 max BOFF skills. The T'Varo's BOFF station setup leans towards TAC, but with a LtCdr Universal, it can be made to do practically any role that this Warbird will be required to do. Sci? Torpboat? Minelayer? Regular cloaking/decloaking attacks? It can do it all, just as much as the B'Rel can, and pays no price at all like the B'Rel and all other KDF BOPs do, and the Fleet version having 4 TAC Consoles, it can perform alot of its offensive actions in a superior manner than even the Fleet B'Rel. Because 4 ENG Consoles on a 24k hull Fleet Ship screams offensive / SCI power...
Also, the Romulan Singularity subsystem power penalty isn't much at all. It is when your character is still levelling. But in endgame, especially once you throw in much better Singularity Cores, reputation traits, space equipment sets and bonuses, etc., the "lower subsystem power" is no longer an issue at all. Please, tell me when was the last time you worried about prioritizing which subsystem needs more power than another on your Warbird at endgame?
... None at endgame?
Cool, now you got a bunch of free powers at no cost of BOFF stations, no cost of Console Slots, no cost of anything really, because the lower subsystem power of Singularity Cores have been mitigated.
And Romulan ships turn slower out of cloak?
T'Varo Retrofit: 18 turn rate
Dhelan Retrofit: 16
Mogai Retrofit: 14
The poor D'Deridex Retrofit: 5 (2 console set adds +2)
Haakona Adv Warbird: 5, but Dual-Vector Console helps alleviating this
Scimitar: 7
Ha'apax Adv Warbird: 5
Ha'nom: 10
Ha'feh: 16
KDF
Hegh'ta BOP (the standard; still the most commonly used BOP for KDF players): 21
Qin Raptor: 15
Guramba Siege Destroyer: 15
Bortasqu': 5.5
Vo'Quv: 5
T5 Vor'Cha series: 10
T5 Negh'Var series: 9
Scourge Retrofit: 17
Marauder FDC: 7
Varanus: 11
Starfleet:
Defiant Retrofit: 17
MVAE Retrofit: 16, though MV Console will vary this to higher points
Patrol Escort series: 16
Heavy Escort Carrier series: 15
Andorian Escorts: 16
Galaxy-class Retrofit: 6
Assault Cruiser / Regent / Sovereign series: 7
Odyssey: 6
Vesta: 12
Nebula series: 9
Atrox: 5
Intrepid series: 12
So... Romulan Warbirds have comparable out of cloak turn rates to the other groups. But, they do maneuver alot better while in cloak. Not even the cloakable KDF ships can do that.
On top of all the other things I stated before, the odds are heavily favored for the Romulans. And when Cryptic implements more regular DOFF missions to get BOFFs, it will get **ridiculous** when they can more easily (and cheaply) access Very Rare BOFFs with Superior Infiltrator, Superior Operative traits, that all stack.
Another thing: Before LOR, when a ship Battlecloaks against you in combat, and they were in weapons range, that KDF BOP captain gave you a free ticket to kill him. It was often a death sentence to do such a thing under fire. With Romulan Warbirds, their BOFFs stack so much defenses when you hit cloak, they do NOT worry about that when they hit cloaks during combat. It's actually tactically SMARTER to do that, provided you took a few small steps. But a KDF BOP is dead meat if still in weapons range.
Again, there are no weaknesses to Romulan Warbirds. For Battlecloaks handed out like candy all around, they suffer no penalty in hullpoints, no penalty in shield mods, no penalty in anything. Whatever designed weaknesses there were supposed to be, are easily negated (Singularity Subsystem Power).
The game is handed to the Romulans on a silver platter.
LOL since when did shield mod and hull, be the sole guide for durability, consoles and abilities make a bigger impact, along with the better turn rate in the hands of good piliot it can keep you always to the shield facing with the most shields. Then there is simply put I can get more stable high shield power on klingon bop then a romulan bop. If you don't know already shield power not only determines shield regeneration but, damage resistance.
did you even read my post I stated what was wrong with your assumption of the power loss being nothing even the best singularity cores only take away 10-30 power levels away from that and only in two subsystems based on singularity charge which i have said that is usually on cool down becuase max singularity kills your stealth, you have to spec so heavily into power to get your weapons and shield and engine power to manageable levels. Something I never would have to do in kdf or fed ship.
How ever the boff passives stacking needs to be removed. Those are what the imbalances the game in favor of romulans.
My only problem with the battle cloak, is the overuse of it in places like Ker'rat.
KDF touts their Honor, but in this game, well most of the ones i have come across are Honorless as a Ferengi.
In and out of batlle cloak pouncing on others at the last second Killing them and Ganking their kill.
Romulans should have been an all KDF faction as at least 60% of the KDF i have fought (HAVE FOUGHT not saying ALL) fight like sneaky Romulans who do not know how to face their Enemies in Glorious Battle.
But in all seriousness, its called an ALPHA strike, as in First Strike. Using it to survive and run away is a good tactic. I cannot argue that.
Its the constant use.
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My only problem with the battle cloak, is the overuse of it in places like Ker'rat.
KDF touts their Honor, but in this game, well most of the ones i have come across are Honorless as a Ferengi.
In and out of batlle cloak pouncing on others at the last second Killing them and Ganking their kill.
Romulans should have been an all KDF faction as at least 60% of the KDF i have fought (HAVE FOUGHT not saying ALL) fight like sneaky Romulans who do not know how to face their Enemies in Glorious Battle.
But in all seriousness, its called an ALPHA strike, as in First Strike. Using it to survive and run away is a good tactic. I cannot argue that.
Its the constant use.
Tell me about it. Do you know what the funnies thing is?
Will they battle cloak strike escorts or other high dps ships?
Lol no.
They will gang up on lone cruisers or science ships that are loot hunting, because they can't fight back.
My only problem with the battle cloak, is the overuse of it in places like Ker'rat.
KDF touts their Honor, but in this game, well most of the ones i have come across are Honorless as a Ferengi.
In and out of batlle cloak pouncing on others at the last second Killing them and Ganking their kill.
Romulans should have been an all KDF faction as at least 60% of the KDF i have fought (HAVE FOUGHT not saying ALL) fight like sneaky Romulans who do not know how to face their Enemies in Glorious Battle.
But in all seriousness, its called an ALPHA strike, as in First Strike. Using it to survive and run away is a good tactic. I cannot argue that.
Its the constant use.
Since you are arguing canonical on that one:
Klingon Honour is not meassured in what your understanding of honour is. For a Klingon it is honourable to prey on their enemies and destroy them. Your bad if you are unable to defend yourself since in principle you'd be able to but you were caught off guard and thus, being foolish. It would be dishonourable to prey on a defenseless ship, however.
That does not influence anything in-game, however. I don't PvP in STO because this game tends to get very boring since there is always ONE superior set-up/ship/tactic in this game introduced with each new level of power creep, there is no room for diversity in it and I dislike that. At one point it was antiproton weaponry you had to have, then it was a specific ship, now it's romulans...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Klingon Honour is not meassured in what your understanding of honour is. For a Klingon it is honourable to prey on their enemies and destroy them. Your bad if you are unable to defend yourself since in principle you'd be able to but you were caught off guard and thus, being foolish. It would be dishonourable to prey on a defenseless ship, however.
That does not influence anything in-game, however. I don't PvP in STO because this game tends to get very boring since there is always ONE superior set-up/ship/tactic in this game introduced with each new level of power creep, there is no room for diversity in it and I dislike that. At one point it was antiproton weaponry you had to have, then it was a specific ship, now it's romulans...
I'll give you that. I will. Maybe it's the KDF Romulan's, Orion's or Naussican's. (joking aside)
I often run into these guy running with someone with that secial new powercreep tool, the magic black ball of you cant do squat anymore. I am now practically defenseless. And i feel like at least a few people will agree with me on this.
As for the Anitproton's i obly like them because Black and red are my favorite colors, as it stands depending on my ship and build, i have Fleet Tet's, Fleet Phaser's, Rom Plasma's and Fleet Antiproton's and those antip's only go on my risian or my defiant, In one of my more unique builds.
Now i only PvP in Ker'rat as the current state of PvP doesnt suit me, but Ker'rat is ok as i get alittle bit of both.
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I often run into these guy running with someone with that secial new powercreep tool, the magic black ball of you cant do squat anymore. I am now practically defenseless. And i feel like at least a few people will agree with me on this.
Hang on - some PvP players caught so much flak from the community saying that our 'whining' nerfed that console to uselessness, and now you say it makes you defenseless?
TBH, it is a nasty shock, but it doesn't lock out bridge officer powers, so you can still take action and deploy defenses - hence being able to actually do 'squat'- or simply use TRIBBLE-for-tat, since it's so cheap. Countering it involves similar counters to any other slow - for defensive purposes, that is.
My only problem with the battle cloak, is the overuse of it in places like Ker'rat.
*snip*
But in all seriousness, its called an ALPHA strike, as in First Strike. Using it to survive and run away is a good tactic. I cannot argue that.
Its the constant use.
Well, I understand where you're coming from. Still, you have to wonder - if KDF Birds-of-Prey don't do hit-and-run alphas, what else can they do? They're made of paper compared to everything else - so they have to cloak. No choice - and to get kills, they have to front-load their damage, or they'll be outlasted and outgunned by any other ship. In other words - alpha.
Agreed; BOP;s are built for alpha strikes. I have seen a few players change it up with BOP's and do things differently (non-alpha ships)
But scurry5 is right; they are most of the time built to BUFF up; decloak; attempt to alpha their target and if they don't; get the heck out of dodge.
And me being in a cruiser usually makes me a tempeting target (low speed and defense; cant zoom away at superman speed); they try to alpha me; and when they usually fail (not always though) most smart BOP fliers run off and re-cloak.
The not so smart ones; well; you can see their destroyed hulls lining kerrat as a fed player warps in (of course there is a similar fed boneyard on the klink entry point)
I don't think it is right to remove their Battle cloak for BOP's or nerf them in anyway. Romulans however; well the buffs to cloaks and alpha strike bonus damages could be reduce a tiny bit from the BOFFs they have on station.
Hang on - some PvP players caught so much flak from the community saying that our 'whining' nerfed that console to uselessness, and now you say it makes you defenseless?
TBH, it is a nasty shock, but it doesn't lock out bridge officer powers, so you can still take action and deploy defenses - hence being able to actually do 'squat'- or simply use TRIBBLE-for-tat, since it's so cheap. Countering it involves similar counters to any other slow - for defensive purposes, that is.
Well, I understand where you're coming from. Still, you have to wonder - if KDF Birds-of-Prey don't do hit-and-run alphas, what else can they do? They're made of paper compared to everything else - so they have to cloak. No choice - and to get kills, they have to front-load their damage, or they'll be outlasted and outgunned by any other ship. In other words - alpha.
As someone who flies a BoP in PvP (even in the face of Romulans overpowering everything), my biggest issue with the Elachi console is the strength of the hold. They fixed the 'stun all abilities, leaving you helpless' part, but the hold is a tad ridiculous. Several times now, I've been clipping along with Evasive Maneuvers, trying to avoid getting shot, and then have had that thing stop me DEAD. No movement. No speed defense buff. That's a dangerous position for a BoP to be in, especially if you don't see it coming. Impulse Capacitance Cell is similarly useless at breaking free. Only thing I carry that would work is APO, and that's got a 1 minute cooldown.
And yeah, people complaining about BoPs battlecloaking are clueless. Really. What the heck else do they expect BoPs to do? I'm fairly easy to tear apart in PvP, provided you can slow me down enough or catch me without a speed buff to use. Even with TT1 and EPtS1 up, people tear gouges out of my shields. I run light and fast, high weapon, engine, and aux power. Most other BoPs are similarly squishy, though some are better at the tanking than others. Furthermore, as a result of our squishiness we often have to gang up 2-1 on tougher targets, because we can't afford to dog-fight against an opponent who's very likely to outlast us. On top of that, it's actually not that hard for skilled players to repel alphastrikes. . .especially since defense values seem really borked nowadays. It's even easier for the nigh-zombie boats in Ker'rat who only have enough firepower to outlast the Borg.
What I can't stand is Romulans ganging up 2-1 or 3/4 to 1 against lone targets, especially when those lone targets are mere BoPs. Now THAT is gutless, yet I see Fed-Roms doing it in Ker'rat with no Feddies calling 'em out for it.
If they buffed BoPs to where they had 28-30k hull, escort-level shield modifiers, AND gave KDF boffs similar bonuses that Romulan boffs have. . .BoPs would be rightfully feared once again. But then they'd have to get rid of Raptors, as they would be completely pointless.
Hang on - some PvP players caught so much flak from the community saying that our 'whining' nerfed that console to uselessness, and now you say it makes you defenseless?
TBH, it is a nasty shock, but it doesn't lock out bridge officer powers, so you can still take action and deploy defenses - hence being able to actually do 'squat'- or simply use TRIBBLE-for-tat, since it's so cheap. Countering it involves similar counters to any other slow - for defensive purposes, that is.
I'm not blaming it on the console itself. I blame the strategy people like to employ with it.
Cloaked Ships lying in wait, he pops you with said console, Ships uncloak and you get triple alpha'ed. Not the consoles fault, and a bit of actually good tactics. The part that irritates me is when that guy runs away and hides till it comes off CD so they can do it all over again. So yes i can get away from that ball, but not that tactic.
Well, I understand where you're coming from. Still, you have to wonder - if KDF Birds-of-Prey don't do hit-and-run alphas, what else can they do? They're made of paper compared to everything else - so they have to cloak. No choice - and to get kills, they have to front-load their damage, or they'll be outlasted and outgunned by any other ship. In other words - alpha.
Realistically its not the BoP's doing it, its the T'Varo's and Mogai's. I understand the BoP has a paper thin hull.
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its the classic "stay still so i can shoot you" vs. "i dont want to die so i hide" argument
stealth classes in every mmo get knocked because its almost always the grief class
the biggest problem in sto from what i can tell is that they have really overpowered the battle cloak. it isnt even BOPs that are the problem, they never really were from what I can tell.
its the damn romulans with their mega high crit and flat out DPS potential also having this thats throwing it off.
Either reduce crits or give the most powerful rom spiker ships a regular cloak
realistically you have to go one way or the other, until that happens the DPSscort romulans will own open area pvp. i know mine does. and it isnt even rocking full fleet or rep gear yet. that kind of scares me, too.
cloak and dagger in PvP doesnt usually ruin it, but STOs version of cloak and dagger is going to be a terminal cancer to pvp, i can tell already. its already turning into rom vs rom almost exclusively in arenas/captures. I can only imagine how bad kerrat is
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Cloaks serve two purposes, one is to escape, the other is sneak attack.
Battlecloak for escape is basically self-balanced by the loss of shields. It has a lot of [unecessary] boost advantages too, like increased defense, but if you are targeted with torpedoes while cloaking you have a good chance of getting waxed.
But there's no penalty at all for surprise attack decloak alpha. Its all upside. You get your shields back at full strength, you get a faction damage boost for decloaking, you get a BOFF damage boost for decloaking... There is no penalty for it whatsoever. Stupid.
never fear, everyone! Cryptic's sales will soon hit a plateau and they'll bring out the nerf hammer, or update the rest of the ships in the game! it's just sad we have to live with it for a long time before they take some sort of action. Then, they'll move on to the next OP money maker!
P.S. battle cloak is broken on the tier 5 fleet b'rel.. when you are getting shot at, it will keep you from cloaking. Your cloak ability will still be highlighted like it is activated, but you are visible and getting shot at.
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its the classic "stay still so i can shoot you" vs. "i dont want to die so i hide" argument
stealth classes in every mmo get knocked because its almost always the grief class
the biggest problem in sto from what i can tell is that they have really overpowered the battle cloak. it isnt even BOPs that are the problem, they never really were from what I can tell.
its the damn romulans with their mega high crit and flat out DPS potential also having this thats throwing it off.
Either reduce crits or give the most powerful rom spiker ships a regular cloak
realistically you have to go one way or the other, until that happens the DPSscort romulans will own open area pvp. i know mine does. and it isnt even rocking full fleet or rep gear yet. that kind of scares me, too.
cloak and dagger in PvP doesnt usually ruin it, but STOs version of cloak and dagger is going to be a terminal cancer to pvp, i can tell already. its already turning into rom vs rom almost exclusively in arenas/captures. I can only imagine how bad kerrat is
Ker'rat can get pretty frustrating when most of the Feddies are flying Romulan ships. Heck, it's not even an issue of the attack power. . .they can safely cloak while under fire. I don't think people really understand just how crucial that is. The combination of high defense plus higher hull (especially on the Dhelans, Mogais, Scimitars, etc) makes it much safer to cloak while potentially being fired on. If I do that in my KDF BoP, odds are I'll get sliced apart. Romulans are far more capable of doing stuff like that, which is part of the point of having a battlecloak. I don't have room for a big hull-resist buff like Polarize Hull, Aux2SIF, or w/e, and I'm carrying a Fleet Neutronium console that also boosts turnrate.
I've hit Romulans entering cloak with a BO3 + HY3 quantums salvo from my Fleet Norgh while they were cloaking, and they haven't blown up. That ain't right. The only time it might work is if I hit a T'Varo doing that. It removes most of the vulnerability of the battlecloak, vulnerabilities the KDF BoP pilots have long had to deal with.
Don't even get me started on the Scimitar. . .and people have the nerve to complain the Scimitar is 'meh'.
Ker'rat can get pretty frustrating when most of the Feddies are flying Romulan ships. Heck, it's not even an issue of the attack power. . .they can safely cloak while under fire. I don't think people really understand just how crucial that is. The combination of high defense plus higher hull (especially on the Dhelans, Mogais, Scimitars, etc) makes it much safer to cloak while potentially being fired on. If I do that in my KDF BoP, odds are I'll get sliced apart. Romulans are far more capable of doing stuff like that, which is part of the point of having a battlecloak. I don't have room for a big hull-resist buff like Polarize Hull, Aux2SIF, or w/e, and I'm carrying a Fleet Neutronium console that also boosts turnrate.
I've hit Romulans entering cloak with a BO3 + HY3 quantums salvo from my Fleet Norgh while they were cloaking, and they haven't blown up. That ain't right. The only time it might work is if I hit a T'Varo doing that. It removes most of the vulnerability of the battlecloak, vulnerabilities the KDF BoP pilots have long had to deal with.
Don't even get me started on the Scimitar. . .and people have the nerve to complain the Scimitar is 'meh'.
Honestly, the battle cloak has been a source of griefing for a long time. I cant tell you how many times I've seen a group of KDF BoP's in Kerrat go spawn camping just cloak/ spawncamp/ decloak/ alpha/ kill/ recloak/ spawncamp / rinse / lather / repeat.
The most wasteful greifing I see is BoP's (forgot the class name) that can fire torps while cloak, only ever do that and not actually engage with thier other weapons. They only want to force the targets to stay in red alert because they sure as heck aren't doing damage.
Fed's cloaker and standard cloaking KDF ship sometimes do the same with their ships, but its nowhere nearly as effective as battle cloaking. Now both sides are doing it at higher levels because of the Romulan ships.
If you ask me, up some of the BoP's stats and make all cloaks have a really long cool-down, both down and up. Make a person actually commit to an attack.
Honestly, the battle cloak has been a source of griefing for a long time. I cant tell you how many times I've seen a group of KDF BoP's in Kerrat go spawn camping just cloak/ spawncamp/ decloak/ alpha/ kill/ recloak/ spawncamp / rinse / lather / repeat.
The most wasteful greifing I see is BoP's (forgot the class name) that can fire torps while cloak, only ever do that and not actually engage with thier other weapons. They only want to force the targets to stay in red alert because they sure as heck aren't doing damage.
Fed's cloaker and standard cloaking KDF ship sometimes do the same with their ships, but its nowhere nearly as effective as battle cloaking. Now both sides are doing it at higher levels because of the Romulan ships.
If you ask me, up some of the BoP's stats and make all cloaks have a really long cool-down, both down and up. Make a person actually commit to an attack.
Fleet B'Rel, has the enhanced battle cloak.
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Ker'rat can get pretty frustrating when most of the Feddies are flying Romulan ships. Heck, it's not even an issue of the attack power. . .they can safely cloak while under fire. I don't think people really understand just how crucial that is. The combination of high defense plus higher hull (especially on the Dhelans, Mogais, Scimitars, etc) makes it much safer to cloak while potentially being fired on. If I do that in my KDF BoP, odds are I'll get sliced apart. Romulans are far more capable of doing stuff like that, which is part of the point of having a battlecloak. I don't have room for a big hull-resist buff like Polarize Hull, Aux2SIF, or w/e, and I'm carrying a Fleet Neutronium console that also boosts turnrate.
I've hit Romulans entering cloak with a BO3 + HY3 quantums salvo from my Fleet Norgh while they were cloaking, and they haven't blown up. That ain't right. The only time it might work is if I hit a T'Varo doing that. It removes most of the vulnerability of the battlecloak, vulnerabilities the KDF BoP pilots have long had to deal with.
Don't even get me started on the Scimitar. . .and people have the nerve to complain the Scimitar is 'meh'.
BOPs are balanced fine as far as I am concerned. They lack tactical consoles (the enhanced battle cloak one only has 3, for example), have a small hull, and have six weapon slots.
But the rom ships have every good piece of the puzzle... its possible to get a ship with 5 tactical consoles, 7 weapons, 45+k hull, battle cloak, a boff layout that is not squishy by any means (chaining TSS3, TSS2, HE1, RSP, and EPTS1, among other things, hell you could go with 2 copies of HE, TSS, and Aux to SIF if you want as well), singularity powers like quantum absorption (with the right singularity this also grants 20% damage resists on top of the heal and extra bonus hull), a turn rate fairly equivalent to a fleet defiant, and 20-25% crit rate depending on how much EC you wanna invest in high priced BOFFs.
Try a fleet dhelan (the above example is based on both of mine), youll see what I mean.
What... the... hell?
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The most wasteful greifing I see is BoP's (forgot the class name) that can fire torps while cloak, only ever do that and not actually engage with thier other weapons. They only want to force the targets to stay in red alert because they sure as heck aren't doing damage.
The B'rel (KDF) Retrofit, Fleet B'rel, T'varo (Rom) Retrofit and Fleet T'varo all have Enhanced Battle Cloak and these ships can use an all Torpedo builds. Neither Torpedoes, Mines and many Sci and Engineering powers do not break this ship out of cloak.
So these ships don't actually have other weapons.
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BOPs are balanced fine as far as I am concerned. They lack tactical consoles (the enhanced battle cloak one only has 3, for example), have a small hull, and have six weapon slots.
But the rom ships have every good piece of the puzzle... its possible to get a ship with 5 tactical consoles, 7 weapons, 45+k hull, battle cloak, a boff layout that is not squishy by any means (chaining TSS3, TSS2, HE1, RSP, and EPTS1, among other things, hell you could go with 2 copies of HE, TSS, and Aux to SIF if you want as well), singularity powers like quantum absorption (with the right singularity this also grants 20% damage resists on top of the heal and extra bonus hull), a turn rate fairly equivalent to a fleet defiant, and 20-25% crit rate depending on how much EC you wanna invest in high priced BOFFs.
Try a fleet dhelan (the above example is based on both of mine), youll see what I mean.
What... the... hell?
A fleet Dhelan with 45+k hull? Wut? How? Could you post your build?
I find my Dhelan a bit too fragile at the moment so I rarely take it out for a spin but this 45+k hull thing has drawn my attention.
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Very well, you know you're right, I won't bother you with facts anymore.
Ok I give up on trying to educate fish your either 8 year old, seriously deluded on some kind or 91 year old and won't change your ways to Adapt
Using singularity powers knocks your cloak off for 5 seconds your evasive should be as fast as theirs get after him this isn't cowardess this is tactics
So If a science captain comes up to you kicks your TRIBBLE Subnukes you then hits you with jam sensors or heavy grab beam then some tac comes along and whips you in the mean time the sci has disappeared from your screen under jam sensors. I ask you would your kiddy brain say that this is being a coward too you. I won't be coming back to find out your answer but i fear its probably yes
I think you should not comment ever again in the forums and do one
saying you would spit on Some of the best regarded players in the game yeah good way to make friends that one
Hop in your galaxy head to Kerrat get in zone chat and do your crying there never know someone might listen or not
I've never really bought the argument that Romulans would automatically have better cloaks than the Klingons. The Klingon Empire has a decent R&D department to develop their own technology and improve what technology they get their hands on. Klingons aren't stupid, it's just that most of the Klingons you see are KDF soldiers. . .and intelligence isn't exactly a required trait in the KDF.
And even if the argument were really valid, it still doesn't explain why all Romulan ships have battlecloaks while all KDF ships except the BoP have standard cloaks. In canon, at least, both sides used their cloaks in roughly the same manner. Romulans were just a little more willing to use it on a regular basis.
Indeed. As it stands right now, the only thing keeping the KDF BoP relevant is the battlecloak. NOT using the battlecloak on the KDF BoP would be stupid, as you're keeping yourself from using one of the two major advantages of the class.
Nah, I don't think that's really necessary. Given that there are at least half-a-dozen ways of disabling cloaks, and the fact that I can still be spotted by a Sensor Scan or very high-aux anti-cloakers (even with 6 points into Stealth and usually running 60-70 to aux while cloaked), I'd say the cloak has enough weaknesses as it is.
The facts speak for themselves.
The B'Rel is more durable? Not sure what you're seeing here (B'Rel Retrofit, T'Varo Retrofit)
HULL (B'Rel, T'Varo): 22.5k, 27k
SHIELD MOD: 0.8, 0.9
The numbers say otherwise.
The B'Rel and all other KDF BOPs, though having full Universal slots, pay for it with having 1 less BOFF skill (Fleet Norgh gets full 12, but has 9 consoles as a "Fleet" ship), the lowest non-shuttle hullpoints and shield mods in the game. With Cryptic handing everybody Universal BOFF stations now, everybody else gets flexibility but pays no price and still reap the 12 max BOFF skills. The T'Varo's BOFF station setup leans towards TAC, but with a LtCdr Universal, it can be made to do practically any role that this Warbird will be required to do. Sci? Torpboat? Minelayer? Regular cloaking/decloaking attacks? It can do it all, just as much as the B'Rel can, and pays no price at all like the B'Rel and all other KDF BOPs do, and the Fleet version having 4 TAC Consoles, it can perform alot of its offensive actions in a superior manner than even the Fleet B'Rel. Because 4 ENG Consoles on a 24k hull Fleet Ship screams offensive / SCI power...
Also, the Romulan Singularity subsystem power penalty isn't much at all. It is when your character is still levelling. But in endgame, especially once you throw in much better Singularity Cores, reputation traits, space equipment sets and bonuses, etc., the "lower subsystem power" is no longer an issue at all. Please, tell me when was the last time you worried about prioritizing which subsystem needs more power than another on your Warbird at endgame?
... None at endgame?
Cool, now you got a bunch of free powers at no cost of BOFF stations, no cost of Console Slots, no cost of anything really, because the lower subsystem power of Singularity Cores have been mitigated.
And Romulan ships turn slower out of cloak?
T'Varo Retrofit: 18 turn rate
Dhelan Retrofit: 16
Mogai Retrofit: 14
The poor D'Deridex Retrofit: 5 (2 console set adds +2)
Haakona Adv Warbird: 5, but Dual-Vector Console helps alleviating this
Scimitar: 7
Ha'apax Adv Warbird: 5
Ha'nom: 10
Ha'feh: 16
KDF
Hegh'ta BOP (the standard; still the most commonly used BOP for KDF players): 21
Qin Raptor: 15
Guramba Siege Destroyer: 15
Bortasqu': 5.5
Vo'Quv: 5
T5 Vor'Cha series: 10
T5 Negh'Var series: 9
Scourge Retrofit: 17
Marauder FDC: 7
Varanus: 11
Starfleet:
Defiant Retrofit: 17
MVAE Retrofit: 16, though MV Console will vary this to higher points
Patrol Escort series: 16
Heavy Escort Carrier series: 15
Andorian Escorts: 16
Galaxy-class Retrofit: 6
Assault Cruiser / Regent / Sovereign series: 7
Odyssey: 6
Vesta: 12
Nebula series: 9
Atrox: 5
Intrepid series: 12
So... Romulan Warbirds have comparable out of cloak turn rates to the other groups. But, they do maneuver alot better while in cloak. Not even the cloakable KDF ships can do that.
On top of all the other things I stated before, the odds are heavily favored for the Romulans. And when Cryptic implements more regular DOFF missions to get BOFFs, it will get **ridiculous** when they can more easily (and cheaply) access Very Rare BOFFs with Superior Infiltrator, Superior Operative traits, that all stack.
Another thing: Before LOR, when a ship Battlecloaks against you in combat, and they were in weapons range, that KDF BOP captain gave you a free ticket to kill him. It was often a death sentence to do such a thing under fire. With Romulan Warbirds, their BOFFs stack so much defenses when you hit cloak, they do NOT worry about that when they hit cloaks during combat. It's actually tactically SMARTER to do that, provided you took a few small steps. But a KDF BOP is dead meat if still in weapons range.
Again, there are no weaknesses to Romulan Warbirds. For Battlecloaks handed out like candy all around, they suffer no penalty in hullpoints, no penalty in shield mods, no penalty in anything. Whatever designed weaknesses there were supposed to be, are easily negated (Singularity Subsystem Power).
The game is handed to the Romulans on a silver platter.
did you even read my post I stated what was wrong with your assumption of the power loss being nothing even the best singularity cores only take away 10-30 power levels away from that and only in two subsystems based on singularity charge which i have said that is usually on cool down becuase max singularity kills your stealth, you have to spec so heavily into power to get your weapons and shield and engine power to manageable levels. Something I never would have to do in kdf or fed ship.
How ever the boff passives stacking needs to be removed. Those are what the imbalances the game in favor of romulans.
KDF touts their Honor, but in this game, well most of the ones i have come across are Honorless as a Ferengi.
In and out of batlle cloak pouncing on others at the last second Killing them and Ganking their kill.
Romulans should have been an all KDF faction as at least 60% of the KDF i have fought (HAVE FOUGHT not saying ALL) fight like sneaky Romulans who do not know how to face their Enemies in Glorious Battle.
But in all seriousness, its called an ALPHA strike, as in First Strike. Using it to survive and run away is a good tactic. I cannot argue that.
Its the constant use.
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Tell me about it. Do you know what the funnies thing is?
Will they battle cloak strike escorts or other high dps ships?
Lol no.
They will gang up on lone cruisers or science ships that are loot hunting, because they can't fight back.
Oh dont get me wrong most of my cruisers do have very big teeth, but all the teeth in the world wont help if you cant see your target....
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Since you are arguing canonical on that one:
Klingon Honour is not meassured in what your understanding of honour is. For a Klingon it is honourable to prey on their enemies and destroy them. Your bad if you are unable to defend yourself since in principle you'd be able to but you were caught off guard and thus, being foolish. It would be dishonourable to prey on a defenseless ship, however.
That does not influence anything in-game, however. I don't PvP in STO because this game tends to get very boring since there is always ONE superior set-up/ship/tactic in this game introduced with each new level of power creep, there is no room for diversity in it and I dislike that. At one point it was antiproton weaponry you had to have, then it was a specific ship, now it's romulans...
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I'll give you that. I will. Maybe it's the KDF Romulan's, Orion's or Naussican's. (joking aside)
I often run into these guy running with someone with that secial new powercreep tool, the magic black ball of you cant do squat anymore. I am now practically defenseless. And i feel like at least a few people will agree with me on this.
As for the Anitproton's i obly like them because Black and red are my favorite colors, as it stands depending on my ship and build, i have Fleet Tet's, Fleet Phaser's, Rom Plasma's and Fleet Antiproton's and those antip's only go on my risian or my defiant, In one of my more unique builds.
Now i only PvP in Ker'rat as the current state of PvP doesnt suit me, but Ker'rat is ok as i get alittle bit of both.
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Hang on - some PvP players caught so much flak from the community saying that our 'whining' nerfed that console to uselessness, and now you say it makes you defenseless?
TBH, it is a nasty shock, but it doesn't lock out bridge officer powers, so you can still take action and deploy defenses - hence being able to actually do 'squat'- or simply use TRIBBLE-for-tat, since it's so cheap. Countering it involves similar counters to any other slow - for defensive purposes, that is.
Well, I understand where you're coming from. Still, you have to wonder - if KDF Birds-of-Prey don't do hit-and-run alphas, what else can they do? They're made of paper compared to everything else - so they have to cloak. No choice - and to get kills, they have to front-load their damage, or they'll be outlasted and outgunned by any other ship. In other words - alpha.
But scurry5 is right; they are most of the time built to BUFF up; decloak; attempt to alpha their target and if they don't; get the heck out of dodge.
And me being in a cruiser usually makes me a tempeting target (low speed and defense; cant zoom away at superman speed); they try to alpha me; and when they usually fail (not always though) most smart BOP fliers run off and re-cloak.
The not so smart ones; well; you can see their destroyed hulls lining kerrat as a fed player warps in (of course there is a similar fed boneyard on the klink entry point)
I don't think it is right to remove their Battle cloak for BOP's or nerf them in anyway. Romulans however; well the buffs to cloaks and alpha strike bonus damages could be reduce a tiny bit from the BOFFs they have on station.
Not sure how to implement that though
As someone who flies a BoP in PvP (even in the face of Romulans overpowering everything), my biggest issue with the Elachi console is the strength of the hold. They fixed the 'stun all abilities, leaving you helpless' part, but the hold is a tad ridiculous. Several times now, I've been clipping along with Evasive Maneuvers, trying to avoid getting shot, and then have had that thing stop me DEAD. No movement. No speed defense buff. That's a dangerous position for a BoP to be in, especially if you don't see it coming. Impulse Capacitance Cell is similarly useless at breaking free. Only thing I carry that would work is APO, and that's got a 1 minute cooldown.
And yeah, people complaining about BoPs battlecloaking are clueless. Really. What the heck else do they expect BoPs to do? I'm fairly easy to tear apart in PvP, provided you can slow me down enough or catch me without a speed buff to use. Even with TT1 and EPtS1 up, people tear gouges out of my shields. I run light and fast, high weapon, engine, and aux power. Most other BoPs are similarly squishy, though some are better at the tanking than others. Furthermore, as a result of our squishiness we often have to gang up 2-1 on tougher targets, because we can't afford to dog-fight against an opponent who's very likely to outlast us. On top of that, it's actually not that hard for skilled players to repel alphastrikes. . .especially since defense values seem really borked nowadays. It's even easier for the nigh-zombie boats in Ker'rat who only have enough firepower to outlast the Borg.
What I can't stand is Romulans ganging up 2-1 or 3/4 to 1 against lone targets, especially when those lone targets are mere BoPs. Now THAT is gutless, yet I see Fed-Roms doing it in Ker'rat with no Feddies calling 'em out for it.
If they buffed BoPs to where they had 28-30k hull, escort-level shield modifiers, AND gave KDF boffs similar bonuses that Romulan boffs have. . .BoPs would be rightfully feared once again. But then they'd have to get rid of Raptors, as they would be completely pointless.
I'm not blaming it on the console itself. I blame the strategy people like to employ with it.
Cloaked Ships lying in wait, he pops you with said console, Ships uncloak and you get triple alpha'ed. Not the consoles fault, and a bit of actually good tactics. The part that irritates me is when that guy runs away and hides till it comes off CD so they can do it all over again. So yes i can get away from that ball, but not that tactic.
Realistically its not the BoP's doing it, its the T'Varo's and Mogai's. I understand the BoP has a paper thin hull.
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stealth classes in every mmo get knocked because its almost always the grief class
the biggest problem in sto from what i can tell is that they have really overpowered the battle cloak. it isnt even BOPs that are the problem, they never really were from what I can tell.
its the damn romulans with their mega high crit and flat out DPS potential also having this thats throwing it off.
Either reduce crits or give the most powerful rom spiker ships a regular cloak
realistically you have to go one way or the other, until that happens the DPSscort romulans will own open area pvp. i know mine does. and it isnt even rocking full fleet or rep gear yet. that kind of scares me, too.
cloak and dagger in PvP doesnt usually ruin it, but STOs version of cloak and dagger is going to be a terminal cancer to pvp, i can tell already. its already turning into rom vs rom almost exclusively in arenas/captures. I can only imagine how bad kerrat is
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Battlecloak for escape is basically self-balanced by the loss of shields. It has a lot of [unecessary] boost advantages too, like increased defense, but if you are targeted with torpedoes while cloaking you have a good chance of getting waxed.
But there's no penalty at all for surprise attack decloak alpha. Its all upside. You get your shields back at full strength, you get a faction damage boost for decloaking, you get a BOFF damage boost for decloaking... There is no penalty for it whatsoever. Stupid.
P.S. battle cloak is broken on the tier 5 fleet b'rel.. when you are getting shot at, it will keep you from cloaking. Your cloak ability will still be highlighted like it is activated, but you are visible and getting shot at.
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The real irony is not what you're trying to do, its that right below what you wrote you have your "balance coming since..." sig pic.
Ker'rat can get pretty frustrating when most of the Feddies are flying Romulan ships. Heck, it's not even an issue of the attack power. . .they can safely cloak while under fire. I don't think people really understand just how crucial that is. The combination of high defense plus higher hull (especially on the Dhelans, Mogais, Scimitars, etc) makes it much safer to cloak while potentially being fired on. If I do that in my KDF BoP, odds are I'll get sliced apart. Romulans are far more capable of doing stuff like that, which is part of the point of having a battlecloak. I don't have room for a big hull-resist buff like Polarize Hull, Aux2SIF, or w/e, and I'm carrying a Fleet Neutronium console that also boosts turnrate.
I've hit Romulans entering cloak with a BO3 + HY3 quantums salvo from my Fleet Norgh while they were cloaking, and they haven't blown up. That ain't right. The only time it might work is if I hit a T'Varo doing that. It removes most of the vulnerability of the battlecloak, vulnerabilities the KDF BoP pilots have long had to deal with.
Don't even get me started on the Scimitar. . .and people have the nerve to complain the Scimitar is 'meh'.
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Honestly, the battle cloak has been a source of griefing for a long time. I cant tell you how many times I've seen a group of KDF BoP's in Kerrat go spawn camping just cloak/ spawncamp/ decloak/ alpha/ kill/ recloak/ spawncamp / rinse / lather / repeat.
The most wasteful greifing I see is BoP's (forgot the class name) that can fire torps while cloak, only ever do that and not actually engage with thier other weapons. They only want to force the targets to stay in red alert because they sure as heck aren't doing damage.
Fed's cloaker and standard cloaking KDF ship sometimes do the same with their ships, but its nowhere nearly as effective as battle cloaking. Now both sides are doing it at higher levels because of the Romulan ships.
If you ask me, up some of the BoP's stats and make all cloaks have a really long cool-down, both down and up. Make a person actually commit to an attack.
Fleet B'Rel, has the enhanced battle cloak.
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BOPs are balanced fine as far as I am concerned. They lack tactical consoles (the enhanced battle cloak one only has 3, for example), have a small hull, and have six weapon slots.
But the rom ships have every good piece of the puzzle... its possible to get a ship with 5 tactical consoles, 7 weapons, 45+k hull, battle cloak, a boff layout that is not squishy by any means (chaining TSS3, TSS2, HE1, RSP, and EPTS1, among other things, hell you could go with 2 copies of HE, TSS, and Aux to SIF if you want as well), singularity powers like quantum absorption (with the right singularity this also grants 20% damage resists on top of the heal and extra bonus hull), a turn rate fairly equivalent to a fleet defiant, and 20-25% crit rate depending on how much EC you wanna invest in high priced BOFFs.
Try a fleet dhelan (the above example is based on both of mine), youll see what I mean.
What... the... hell?
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Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
The B'rel (KDF) Retrofit, Fleet B'rel, T'varo (Rom) Retrofit and Fleet T'varo all have Enhanced Battle Cloak and these ships can use an all Torpedo builds. Neither Torpedoes, Mines and many Sci and Engineering powers do not break this ship out of cloak.
So these ships don't actually have other weapons.
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A fleet Dhelan with 45+k hull? Wut? How? Could you post your build?
I find my Dhelan a bit too fragile at the moment so I rarely take it out for a spin but this 45+k hull thing has drawn my attention.