earning 25 million ec per day.

vadavianthule · September 2013

Hi all, have had a quick scan but please redirect me if im posting an already discussed thread.
A fellow captain I chatted to during an estf said he earned 25 million energy credits per day! I think thats bs but i was wondering, is there anyone out there who can earn close to that?. The most ive managed in a week is 17 million.

And sorry to anyone who thought this thread was how to earn 25 million per day. I couldnt help my self with the title :-).

questerius · September 2013

I suppose it is possible if you buy a 10-pack of lockbox keys and sell them for 1.6-1.7M.
Add selling minerals and you can go a long way.

kublakhan81 · September 2013

Did he say how many toons that was spread across? I'd find it hard to believe any one toon was making 25m per day.

captainaramda · September 2013

Yeah, I was kinda wondering something along the same lines. Read in another forum post where the OP was claiming to easily earn 100M (100,000,000) EC in a day. I, too, think that's bs but if someone can explain how that's possible, I'd like to learn. The best I've managed is only a few hundred thousand.

vadavianthule · September 2013

Earning a million is easy just by selling loot or doing the 101 farming for ec foundry mission and selling rare partial traces. But I dont come close to 25 mil.

topset · September 2013

That sort of money can be made per day, sure, but it's going to be from having a big bankroll, and buying/selling on the exchange.

I bet 90%+ of the people making 25m/day+ are doing it from watching the exchange. There's some serious money to be made from mispricing and people not understanding the concept of value on some stuff (acc3 or crd3 weapons), or selling stacks as single items. The problem is do you fancy clicking "search" for 3 solid hours of game time? Rooted to that one spot on ESD? I'll pass.

The problem is, this method of making money is incredibly boring for most people, and you need a decent bankroll to get going. I find if I have 100m+ in the bank, it's much easier to make money. If you only have 10-20m capital, you're going to struggle.

If you're going to be farming EC by way of contraband/doffing/loot then you won't match those numbers. Make that "month" instead of "day". Maybe "week" if you have enough toons.

Nobody is making 100m "easily" per day unless they have an exploit. But sure, there are day-traders who watch the exchange, snipe stuff, buy/sell high value items quickly who might be able to make 25-100m per day consistently if they have several hours to put into it.

I know a couple of players who do this regularly, who have 1 billion+ EC - but that's pretty much all they do. Neither of them care about dilithium or ship collecting or even any PvE content much at all, they get their fun from making stacks on the exchange.

I'm the other way, I love spending EC - I just need to earn large quantities of it so I can waste it on junk that I don't need. (I'm looking at you Orb Weaver, launch day, 80m EC. Ended up discharging it. Worse. Purchase. Ever.)

/rant.

cgta1967 · September 2013

I can make about 500K on each toon in about 5-10 minutes each via the quick space battle foundries

I do it maybe twice a week on two toons.....thats about all the incentive I have for grinding out money.

I guess I could do it on all 9 vice admirals...but I would go crazy trying.... I do zero of the new grinding style missions for the same reason.... dilithium and marks just arent that important to me to make a game un-fun. I'd rather have fun doing something different each gaming session and make nothing at all.

already have just about all the gear I need anyway.

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topset · September 2013

cgta1967 wrote: »

I can make about 500K on each toon in about 5-10 minutes each via the quick space battle foundries

I do it maybe twice a week on two toons.....thats about all the incentive I have for grinding out money.

I guess I could do it on all 9 vice admirals...but I would go crazy trying.... I do zero of the new grinding style missions for the same reason.... dilithium and marks just arent that important to me to make a game un-fun. I'd rather have fun doing something different each gaming session and make nothing at all.

already have just about all the gear I need anyway.

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I'm just curious then, what exactly do you do in-game?

cgta1967 · September 2013

topset wrote: »

I'm just curious then, what exactly do you do in-game?

haha....

I've been playing since beta, I put in my time in just about every part that the game offers.... I got lots of stuff, got 9 vice admirals with good ships and purple gear.... but I still like to zoom around in my starships and have fun without the headach of "having" to do anything.

I have no need to grind anymore..... I got around 50 mill in the bank at any given time...... bank is full of purple gear for new toons I am playing and leveling ( I take my time these days)...

not interested in lockbox ships or items at all....the gear I earned is fine ( all my captains are flying different ships as well...I have earned a lot of viariety to date without using real money).

endgame doesnt interest me at all after I run the missions a couple times and go back to them periodically at best. Same with marks and dilithium as I said...did the runs...do them peroiodically...but thats it....I have no need to keep at it.....I'll go mine when I want to skip around in a pressure suit.....I do pugs if I'm bored, serious runs if freinds are on line.... but I prefer solo to team most of the time.....( I watch Netflix on the second monitor alot while I play )

..... Guess I am more of an explorer admiral type than a ambitious new captain these days.

many people think end game is grinding to get the best things over the other guy....I think it as I've earned the right to do what I want comfortably with what I've earned over my career....and I no longer have to worry about where any resources are coming from if I want to start another character.

topset · September 2013

cgta1967 wrote: »

-snip-

Great post, the reason I ask is because I'm completely the same. I have enough resources and supplies to last me, I've got 8 characters, they all have the rep they need (Mostly just T2, it's quick and easy) I've bought all the lockbox ships that interest me, I've mashed all the STFs a million times, got over a hundred mill in the bank so I don't need to actually do anything.

I just... don't find myself logging on as much as I used to, because frankly I've done it all. Only thing left is PvP - and lets face it, is that really worth the headaches?

Just looking for inspiration to keep me coming back, barring foundry missions of good content done by trekkies, and most of that is sifting through garbage looking for gems. The only thing keeping me in the game is my fleet which I've put a lot of time and effort into, but even that just plods along with nothing but shoving doffs at it.

dahminus · September 2013

Step 1 have many toons at 50, at 1 a week. It isn't too bad

Step 2 do ec farming foundry missions at avg 600k a pop

Step 3 convert dil to zen, pool it and buy the current best bang for buck item that can be sold on the exchange, currently the survivor packs are number 1 but not for much longer

Step 4 sell do contraband missions and sell em..kdf did this hand over fist but it has been nerfed

Step 5 sell everything to vendors and when I doubt check current exchange prices

Step 6 sell fleet marks...unsure how profitable it is

Step 7 find the artifact doff mission and do it on all toons

Step 8 do asylum doff missions and sell the rares/very rares

Bonus if you leveled roms, sell your amazing rom officers you gained while leveling up, that have superior rom op and subterfuge for 9 mil+

Another bonus, come in first in fleet actions for decent sellables

That's enough for now...

vadavianthule · September 2013

I hear you, pvp does my head in too. Ive also been playing since beta and now spend most my time looking at my fleet galaxy hanging in space.... ahhh.... I also have maxed everything out and my bank is full of marks boxes waiting for the next reputation thing to grind. I did alot of bird breeding and now have over 3k marks boxes not including the ones (loads) that have droped during pve's I am hoping that the next reputation expansion gives me a different type of mark in the boxes.

lucho80 · September 2013

dahminus wrote: »

Step 8 do asylum doff missions and sell the rares/very rares

This one by itself used to be an EC gold mine up until two months ago. Not so much now. Heck, the MK XII console lottery and selling VR doffs doesn't net you much right now because of the stupid bug ship promotion combines with fleet holdings. My advise, buy stuff now while prices are depressed, sell when this whole bug ship craze goes away.

futurepastnow · September 2013

That guy's claim of making so much may or may not be BS, but it's certainly possible. But it can (almost) only be done by, as others have said, flipping big-ticket items on the exchange. To do that properly, you need starting capital. A lot of it, to make 25 million a day.

Start small, work your way up. Everybody starts somewhere. And don't be like me and spend it as quickly as you make it

vadavianthule · September 2013

That is something I could do. Yea definitely, I onpy have 3 toons. My main fed. A lvl 2 alt I never use and a lvl 50 klink.

pwstolemyname · September 2013

I imagine the person was exaggerating. However, I am quite certain It is doable, without resorting to exchange flipping. You just need a good number of alts. Klink for preference.

Firstly you can do the Pi-Canis missions in a cheep bop build in the space of 15-20 minutes that's 4k dilithium (klink side only). which you can turn into EC one way or another. Your limited to once a day per alt, but if you have 10 klink alts that's 4.5mill EC worth of keys to sell in the space of 3.3 hours work. From that we can make 25 mill in the space of 18.4 hours. Which is less then a day. You just need 57 Klingon alts.

However I recon you could do better then that with fewer alts. lets go with 5 Klingon alts instead and have them run federation minefield.

This 5 man fleet action rewards 3 very rare mk XI items if you get first place. With practice and the right build you can consistently do this. Provided your not unlucky enough to be in a group with some one else who knows what they are doing.

The downsides are that your very rare mk xi items are random, your as likely to get an item worth 5k as one worth 5mill. But you have all day to get lucky a few times and make that 25mill. I recon its possible to make significantly more then 25mill in the day if the RNG smiles upon you.

yreodred · September 2013

topset wrote: »

Great post, the reason I ask is because I'm completely the same. I have enough resources and supplies to last me, I've got 8 characters, they all have the rep they need (Mostly just T2, it's quick and easy) I've bought all the lockbox ships that interest me, I've mashed all the STFs a million times, got over a hundred mill in the bank so I don't need to actually do anything.

I just... don't find myself logging on as much as I used to, because frankly I've done it all. Only thing left is PvP - and lets face it, is that really worth the headaches?

Just looking for inspiration to keep me coming back, barring foundry missions of good content done by trekkies, and most of that is sifting through garbage looking for gems. The only thing keeping me in the game is my fleet which I've put a lot of time and effort into, but even that just plods along with nothing but shoving doffs at it.

I do the mostly the same, except for the money.

Somehow i almost never have any money left, since i am always tweaking one of my characters just for fun.

Btw. Very interesting Thread.

It seems i don't have the lobes for a good deal on the exchange, lol
I could need a good tip how to invest 50 mil, or does someone know where to get some good infos?

Some tips for massive money making would be appreciated.

eurialo · September 2013

captainaramda wrote: »

Yeah, I was kinda wondering something along the same lines. Read in another forum post where the OP was claiming to easily earn 100M (100,000,000) EC in a day. I, too, think that's bs but if someone can explain how that's possible, I'd like to learn. The best I've managed is only a few hundred thousand.

exchange speculation...
They know what is the averrage price of purple items, they look at the exchange and buy items under the avverage price to sell them at the avverage one. Or they buy items to sell them in a future supposing the price will raise. Moreover, sometime some players try to buy a lot of certain items to raise their price (this appenend just a few days ago with the space trait helmsman). And often many players use some external program (ex. to buy with a single double click or avoiding the disable of the search button if pressed to often).

yreodred · September 2013

eurialo wrote: »

exchange speculation...
They know what is the averrage price of purple items, they look at the exchange and buy items under the avverage price to sell them at the avverage one. Or they buy items to sell them in a future supposing the price will raise. Moreover, sometime some players try to buy a lot of certain items to raise their price (this appenend just a few days ago with the space trait helmsman). And often many players use some external program (ex. to buy with a single double click or avoiding the disable of the search button if pressed to often).

I never quite understood how tis is supposed to work. Are these ppl constantly watching the market?
I have once tried to make a bouyout (it was an item that wasn't availlable at that point of time for a long time), but the result was that eve i have bought everything on the market. Some people still had some of those items at their bank and put them into the exchange for the EXACT same price as before. So in the end i barely got rid of those things. So i made some loss but i'll never do something like that again, lol.

I don't know but for me this is too much, since i have other things to do all day, like eat and go out of the house and so on.

marc8219 · September 2013

I can make more then that without playing the exchange at all just by farming the foundry on all my characters and doffing on all of them and selling all the loot, contraband, and excess doffs, I have 10 characters level 50 with good gear and all with at least semi decent doff rosters and 4 of them have excellent rosters with mostly purple and blue though so it takes time to set something like this up.

tlamstrike · September 2013

Very possible to earn that much in a day. You can break down green doffs from the exchange and sell the whites, do that on two or three characters and you can make lots of EC. Also setting up two characters with decent scatter volley escorts or BFAW AtoBatt cruisers and just running Starbase 24, Gorn Minefield and Crystalline Entity Elite back to back can net good loot drops with 2st place finishes.

nccmark · September 2013

I have made 10+ million in a 12 hour play-day...but only once or twice, on a weekend, with nothing I had to do in real life.

I wouldn't want to invest that kind of time regularly. My real life is worth more than fake currency in a game.

This other guy must be unemployed, no real world connections, etc in order to make 25 million ECs a day whenever he wants....and that assumes the claim is even true.

reginamala78 · September 2013

I think it may be possible to set up bots to monitor the exchange for mis-prices as well and make money that way. Once or twice I've accidentally posted something at a dramatically wrong price (like missing a zero), realized it almost immediately, but its gone faster than I can move my mouse pointer to unlist it. I just highly doubt people could ALWAYS be reacting THAT quickly EVERY time.

ussultimatum · September 2013

topset wrote: »

I've bought all the lockbox ships that interest me, I've mashed all the STFs a million times, got over a hundred mill in the bank so I don't need to actually do anything.

If I ever manage to get you into PvP 100 mill will disappear in a flash. :P

yreodred · September 2013

reginamala78 wrote: »

...
Once or twice I've accidentally posted something at a dramatically wrong price (like missing a zero), realized it almost immediately, but its gone faster than I can move my mouse pointer to unlist it. I just highly doubt people could ALWAYS be reacting THAT quickly EVERY time.

Exactly the same happend to me too.
At first i had a similar suspicion, but you shouldn't forget how many people are playing this game on the same server WORLDWIDE.

Exchange is definately not the right thing for me to make money, i just seem to lack the lobes for it, lol.

reginamala78 · September 2013

yreodred wrote: »

Exactly the same happend to me too.
At first i had a similar suspicion, but you shouldn't forget how many people are playing this game on the same server WORLDWIDE.

Exchange is definately not the right thing for me to make money, i just seem to lack the lobes for it, lol.

Eh, when I get the "Item Sold On The Exchange" message before the "Item Posted" message has even disappeared, on a fairly specialized piece of gear, there's a difference between human fast and software fast.

psychickitty · September 2013

just wanted to post this....in response to players looking for inspiration or something to keep them playing.

You have probably done the engineer and science and tactical on all three groups....o rmaybe didn't on the romulan but did the Klingon and federation side at least.....so you think now what?

Well here is what you do....

You find a race...and you make your captain a xenophobe for that race only....like Ferengi or Gorn or Fersan.....as good examples.......and you make your ship only that race.
Toughest part is changing the duty officers...that takes the longest to do...and probably isn't worth it.

ALso try to find a fleet of that race only.....I did the ferengi thing(I have the ships and shuttle and the whip even)....and did romulan.....not long ago I joined a fersan fleet only...yes Klingon play is tougher in some ways as they just don't have the same ship choices....nor all the weapons and consoles.

Anywise to keep myself interested I choose a theme and try to stay with that only...on my romulan Klingon for example I am trying to be time travelers from the future...so my uniforms and ships and everything trys to stay that way.

raulblanco7 · September 2013

Last year i made lot of exchange trade, made lot of ec from it, dont know how much, never checked, it was enough to see, i spend a lot every day and my money just was more than yesterday... once i wanted to do a test, starting a new account, and check how much hour needing in game to reach 100 million ec, but not tested yet.

The best way to earn money on exchange for me was the trading with space weapons, when started with 10m ec, i just did it with mk xi all quality, than as i got more and more money, finally i just traded with mk xi and xii very rare weapons, mostly xii... that was the real profit.
Half of them just was overpriced, lot of crazy price every day, 10-20.000 ec for 2-3 million worth weapons, others just was sale for cheapest price minus some ec, but they dont counted it was CRTD3, CRTH3, ACC3, DMG3 once i bought a disruptor dual heavy cannons mk xii acc3 for about 2-3 million, and sold some hour later for 100 million... but it was at the last year.

Now the weapons price's are low, and i found a way to earn 100-200 million per day, i did it 2 week long than the devs fixed it, never thought it was an exploit, needed about 250m ec investment to start it and some hour per day, but worth it, earned more than 2 billion in that 2 week... with that money on my bank's i stoped checking exchange, now i just left about 1,5 billion and i love to spend ec, so i will need to restart the trading soon.

Tip: dont spend your dilithium to zen and sell keys for ec, buy lock boxes when they made lock box rerun... 200 dilithium per 20 temporal or cardassian lock box at dili store, or less if your fleet have high tier dilithium mine.

1 key 112,5 zen if calculating with 10pack... average zen - dilithium price usually at 115 now (before the jem'hadar ship drop) so you spend about 12.937 dilithium for 1 key what you can sell for 1,6m ec... instead of that, buy about 64 x 20 lock boxes from temporal and cardassian, what you will can sell some months later for about 200.000 ec / 20 lock boxes or more (for example 700.000 ec / 20 temporal when they released the rom temp ships) so that is 64 x 200.000 = 12.800.000 ec instead of 1.600.000 ec, but of course, ist a longer investments, need some months to price increase on exchange... i have more than 20.000 lock box on my banks, waiting for the acceptable price to start selling.

eurialo · September 2013

yreodred wrote: »

I never quite understood how tis is supposed to work. Are these ppl constantly watching the market?

yes, they do!
They constantly whatch what players sell (generally very rare items): doffs, ships, weapons... You need to spend a lot of time, but is not rare that a player type the wrong price. Some day ago I just have seen poste a temporal science vessel for 12.8 millions EC (just a typing error) but I didn't had the time to doubleclick (as said, many players use external programs to be very very very fast). And twice in the past I have seen also 2 jhas posted wid one zero missing... (unfortunatelly I can't buy none of them

).

Only once I had the time to buy 250 contraband at 500k

devs should find a way to neutralize external programs... ex random moving the windows with the ok button, but that is not enough

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doffingcomrade · September 2013

25mil a day is about 2 stacks of catfood per day, so easily doable.

earning 25 million ec per day.

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