I'm already there. I have my main:a fed Tac, a fed engineer, and a Rom/Fed Sci, all of which are done with the rep grind. I have two kdf, which i never play and refuse to grind on. The only way i'll be making any more characters is if they introduce a new class or a new faction, and even then i think i'll be weary of grinding rep systems. If this were the only game i played, it wouldn't be so bad, or if the grind were a bit more varied, but they aren't so it can be a huge pain.
I only started playing early May so I don't have many characters. On my Romulan I'm on Tier 3 Omega/Romulan Rep done, with Nukara at Tier 1 (Currently doing Nukara by Tribble power, may take 5 years).
My Fed is almost T3 Omega and T2 Romulan. No plans for Nukara.
On my third and favourite character, my KDF Orion I decided I didn't want to do the Rom rep or the Nukara. In fact I started doing a lot of STFs while my character was still in the mid 40's to stockpile up on marks so I wouldn't feel burnt out later grinding. Just got the assimilated console the other day and I will probably only go as far as getting the Cutting Beam, the KHG Mk XI space and ground sets. Then I will call it a day.
Have recently rolled a Trill Fed Sci, which I have no plans to do any rep on at all.
Doing fleet mark runs, a few STF's. Foundry missions and learning how to create Foundry missions myself does not lend a lot of time to do 3 rep systems to completion on multiple characters. However it has to be said its up to you when you want to finish the rep, theres no completion date required.
Oh and if anyone feels burnt out on rep and could use a laugh. I created this a few days ago to cheer myself up for when I've done one STF too many. (Not a crit of the game, just done for a laugh)
Introduce "STF" missions for Nukara and Romulan, include the "BNP" concept with it too. This makes the grind fun. It also makes the space/ground sets worth buying.
Also, scale the doff system so that it generates enough expertise to support all the rep systems for new characters.
I?m out no more toon leveling and definitely NO reputation for me.
I have only fully leveled 3 Feds from way back and only managed to level one Romulan toon in all 3 reputations and called it quits. Its just tooooooooooooooooooooo B O R I N G. all the washing rinsing and repeating just go to me and now I only log on for 30- 40 min 2 or 3 times a day.
All that wash rise and repeat as sucked the fun out of this game and don?t have the energy to play beyond 40min.
I thought this new lock box would put a jumpstart in my interest, but sad to say it has not.
I use to have only four characters until I made my first Klingon character who is at commander level. I stop doing STF long time ago and I have all my four characters including my Romulan at tier two when it comes to STF. But for the Romulan rep I max all the four out and it's was no small feat. I am done with rep system, they are boring and take too much time. Beside all the stuff you buy at the rep store are bound to that character only so what the point in grinding for them.
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Its ironic that cryptic made rep to keep ppl busy till new stuff arrives yet the rep makes ppl more mad than having not much to do till stuff arrives.
I joined "Star Trek: Online" at the start of season five. During my first year with the game, the atmosphere was a whole lot better. Players had parties on Deep Space Nine, Earth Space Dock, and Drozana. Once the reputation system and fleet bases were introduced, the Omega offices on Deep Space Nine were closed down. Virtually all of the parties ended.
People wanted an easy way to obtain Omega/M.A.C.O. gear. Instead of just adjusting the drop rates, Cryptic decided to overhaul the whole system. Before the new system was put into place, the price to buy stuff was rather inexpensive. All the reputation system store items were originally sold in the Omega store. We use to be able to buy plasma, antiproton, disruptor, tachyon, and phaser ground and space gear with little stress. Even though the elite drop rates were frustrating, the overall endgame was extremely stress free. Everyone was having a ball.
As a direct result of creating multiple holding systems (reputations, fleetbases, and embassies), Cryptic turned a fun form of entertainment into a nine to five job.
Do you want to know the irony? If Cryptic solely introduced the reputation system, players would not have ended up burning out. Unless cryptic deals with the endless grinding, over priced dilithium items, insane cool-down timers, and out of control exchange prices, the quality of this game will continue to turn players off.
I want to sign into the game next week, but the lack of fun has created a buzz kill.
Do you remember that 'free item giveaway' last week? I never signed into the system. Regardless about what they give away for free, the game's overall issues will continue to be a plague. Giving away free items will not solve the game's overall problems.
I am watching season eight's advertising closely. If Cryptic solves some of the issues, I may try to come back for the next season. Since I have spent so much money on "STO", I am going to give Cryptic a chance to fix things. "Star Trek: Online's" current state is not worth my time and money.
Rep system killed the fun of alts for me almost right away.
I just couldn't keep up and did not have the time to bother, so since then I have exclusively devoted my time and efforts to developing my KDF tactical officer, with some "casual" play on my alts.
Just like with the First Mark System we used to have.
Eventually, They will have made so many different Rep Systems that They will have to either condense them all into one type of Point, or scrap the whole thing...
At which point the process will start all over again.
:rolleyes:
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I have 5 toons, 3 Fed, 1 KDF, and one Fromulan. My main is maxed out on Reps but he's the only one. I had started doing STF runs on my KDF but then the rep system came and I just couldn't do it. I'm half tempted to run up the Rommy track for my Frommy but only half tempted.
Has the rep system stopped me from making alts? No, I just have no desire to make additional toons. I already have 1 of each profession and one of each faction. That's plenty for me.
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actually I have 6 toons, 5 of them are full skilled (omega, romulan and nukara reputation included) and I am not planning to complete omega, nukara or romulan reputation on the 6th character... moreover I did not created a romulan toon because I do not like grinding marks by playing everyday the same missions.
I will never create a new toon untill I will have to repeat several times every day the same contents to complete the reputation system.
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I have one Fed main with T5 Omega and Romulan rep.
I now have one Romulan/KDF with T5 Romulan and almost Nukara.
I also have 15 or so other alts that I have zero intention to level up rep on. They will be deleted at some point in the very near future.
I don't plan on ever making a new character. I might if they release a new faction, but only for the levelling mission content; which I will then delete at either level 50 or as soon as the unique content stops.
The grind is too intense for those of us with limited time to play the game.
Seriously, making it account bound would be so much better. We'd still have to requisition the gear, meaning that we'd still be spending the dil, which is what really counts.
What possible purpose does it serve to make us run missions like Japori over, and over and over again. Cryptic doesnt make any money of it, and all it does is slow purchases of character slots and associated items.
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The grind is too intense for those of us with limited time to play the game.
Seriously, making it account bound would be so much better. We'd still have to requisition the gear, meaning that we'd still be spending the dil, which is what really counts.
What possible purpose does it serve to make us run missions like Japori over, and over and over again. Cryptic doesnt make any money of it, and all it does is slow purchases of character slots and associated items.
This a thousand times.
One character gets to a rep tier... each character gets the passive unlock and access to other projects of that tier. That way, people with two dozen characters(*coughlikemecough*) wouldn't have to spend a lifetime grinding each of their reps out.
I'm only at 14 lvl 50s and its put a damper on playing characters that I haven't done rep on. I'm going through and playing 2 of my old toons at a time and one of my new Rom toons and just lvling those. I also buy all the provisions I will need for that toon at the start so I don't have to worry about that (just the hypo, charges, cells and regens). Really doesn't take that much to max out 1 toon, may be 20 runs of a particular high rewarding mission like CEE during rep hour. The only thing that really hurts is to get distracted by toys before you max out the rep, just wait until you are done.
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Basically, I try and reach max reputation for all options on my main character, a level 50 FED. On my other characters, my KDF and ROM, I have not even touched any of them. I plan to do the same for the new event system they came out with, assuming those events will become more frequent (maybe one for each season, like LOTRO does). I try to max out my main character, because that is the one I use most, and leave the other two factions as a fun thing to play once in a while.
I have completed tier 5 Omega reputation on my main captain, tier 3 Romulan, and tier 1 for Nukara. I intend to max out both Romulan and Nukara (Romulan for the torpedo and beam array, Nukara for the dual beam and web mines), but only on my main character.
Although I know it will most likely never happen, I wish the reputation system was a constant between all of your characters, so it would give people more incentive for each one, and so it would draw significantly less resources from each one of your characters. I, for one, do not have a ton of time to grind Romulan or Nukara missions or fleet actions for the relatively small amount of marks you get per run (compared to the STF Omega marks), so I would love having the same reputation status on each of my captains, and then worry about grinding out the top level gear for each of them in turn.
I tend to use Rep to give a character a theme. My Romulan does Romulan reputation, my fed tac does Omega rep, etc. I see reputation systems as the mission starfleet has assigned one of my characters. For me, the problems is that I need 2 more fun and interesting (I dont find tholians fun) rep categories so my 4 characters all have a clear purpose.
Ask yourself: would starfleet assign a ship and crew to rebuild Romulus while fighting the borg all the time? I think it is more logical to assume that the Omega task force members spend all their time fighting the borg, where as some ships spend all their time helping the Romulan people. I realize this is an in universe explanation for a game mechanic, but it keeps me happy. Also, as a bonus, it differentiates my characters in a meaningful way!
I have 4 Characters, 2 Feds, a Kling and a Rom. They are all max level. They are all at level 1 or 2 on all the Reps. I am working on the reps on all four at the same time. And it's tedius. I will not make another alt till I have all the reps done on the current 4. Once that is done then I will make one Character and level him up and rep him before going on to the next alt. I have always planned on making an Tact, Eng and Sci per faction. That hasn't changed. But my play time is now shorter because the rep is so tedious to me. So I jump on each Alt to do what I need to do to get the rep going and then go to the next. Once I have reps done on all four, I log out and go to some other game to have fun.
The rep system is only being done because the Tier XII purple gear is there. And I want to have it to equipe my guys. It sucks and if there was a different way that was fun, I would play for longer periods of time in STO.
Already did. After the nightmare ive been having repping up my two romulans and orion (nope still not done with nukara, i was gone for a month and half though) im so done. Ill finish these characters and no more. I absolutely refuse to grind like this anymore. I spend more time in game grinding marks and expertise than i do playing anything id actually enjoy. I am so sick of ISE it isnt even funny.
(it can take four hours just to get enough marks and cash to set up my remaining three characters - thank god my main is done- for the next 20 hours of projects, this is insane cryptic)
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I probably won't use the rep system on my other characters. I have 5. I'm almost done with the Omega rep, and the Tholian rep and Romulan rep are done. The thing is, I don't really mindthe rep system or the grind. It's there to keep prestige gear out of the hands of every toon out there. This way that prestige equipment is still rarish, but available for those of us willing to pay the ridiculous prices to make an all rating XII ship.
I do like the idea of the tier progression being account shared, but binding the store unlocks and the items to character. This way you alleviate some of the grind (sure, I ran the Tholian Nebula rescue six times this week, but running it with 3 different ships is less tedious than 1).
I also think some, not all DoFFs should offer marks. If I send my duty officers to reinforce a base in Romulan territory, track Borg fleet movements, or have my chef explore the culinary applications of Tholian corpses I think that is worth a fleet mark or two. It also encourages players to regularly patol the regions that they are supposedly having all this impact in.
That said, the epoph DoFFs are awesome and reduce the grind for the Romulan rep exponentially and I think it would be also cool to intigrate something similar to get Omega marks, Neural processors, or Tholian marks as time goes on and more projects are added.
I've started working yet more characters through the rep system, so I guess not, for me. But I am being lazy about it. And I'm going to leave more reps at Tier 2 rather than finish them. If I don't feel like doing the missions for marks some days, I just don't. The projects don't need to be filled every 20 hours.
rep grind beyond Tier III stops me. I get some of the passives but it gets expensive to do multiples like that at once especially. I hate the time delay as well, can we have something other than 20hrs each for a change?
At what point do we gain enough favor with these people that it doesn't take 20 hrs for projects? That would be my question we're supposedly supposed to be improving our favors with these people, sooooo.
It's kinda like the missions for Doff commendations. You get to Tier III and then have to do the exact same amount all over again to get to Tier IV but there's nothing to improve the time it takes to get there nor are there missions that allow for much much higher commendations so as to shorten the time it takes from 50k-100k. Rep seems to have this same limitation!
I can't get the game to work in Linux, but once I can get back into the game I'd probably still handle my alts the same way with these new reps systems:
One job per alt (The Farming Cappy. The Foundry Cappy. The PvE Cappy.) and one rep per alt.
rep is launched
take a good look at my 3 characters, thinking of trashing one, painfully grind out rep for all of them
ya, im never making a new character again
LoR launches
TRIBBLE, ok 1 more character
grinding 3rd rep for old characters and all 3 for my rom, its hell
NEVER making a new character again
Pretty much sums up how I feel about it. I got a Fed, KDF and RRF each with a different carreer and I'm done making new characters. I don't care if they add another faction. I won't make another; because too much rep.
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I have 3 toons, one for each faction.
Started on Fed, soon switched to KDF which is now my main.
Since LoR, it's the first time I've sat back and gone, 'ya know what, not going to bother grinding after hitting lvl50'.
I think it was the right decision too. Too much grind as is, so now my alts just do doff missions to feed my main extra dil and earn FMs for base projects.
Until or unless Cryptic figure out a way of making reps on alts easier to grind or or almost effortless, I'm not going to bother grinding rep on alts.
So to answer thread title. LoR was what stopped me. Any future reps will just compound the problem.
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My Fed is almost T3 Omega and T2 Romulan. No plans for Nukara.
On my third and favourite character, my KDF Orion I decided I didn't want to do the Rom rep or the Nukara. In fact I started doing a lot of STFs while my character was still in the mid 40's to stockpile up on marks so I wouldn't feel burnt out later grinding. Just got the assimilated console the other day and I will probably only go as far as getting the Cutting Beam, the KHG Mk XI space and ground sets. Then I will call it a day.
Have recently rolled a Trill Fed Sci, which I have no plans to do any rep on at all.
Doing fleet mark runs, a few STF's. Foundry missions and learning how to create Foundry missions myself does not lend a lot of time to do 3 rep systems to completion on multiple characters. However it has to be said its up to you when you want to finish the rep, theres no completion date required.
Oh and if anyone feels burnt out on rep and could use a laugh. I created this a few days ago to cheer myself up for when I've done one STF too many.
http://imageshack.us/a/img577/6250/svgz.jpg
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Introduce "STF" missions for Nukara and Romulan, include the "BNP" concept with it too. This makes the grind fun. It also makes the space/ground sets worth buying.
Also, scale the doff system so that it generates enough expertise to support all the rep systems for new characters.
I would level all new characters this way.
I have only fully leveled 3 Feds from way back and only managed to level one Romulan toon in all 3 reputations and called it quits. Its just tooooooooooooooooooooo B O R I N G. all the washing rinsing and repeating just go to me and now I only log on for 30- 40 min 2 or 3 times a day.
All that wash rise and repeat as sucked the fun out of this game and don?t have the energy to play beyond 40min.
I thought this new lock box would put a jumpstart in my interest, but sad to say it has not.
I guess im suffering from P.T.W.R.R. syndrome
Post
Traumatic
Wash
Rinse and
Repeat
syndrome
People wanted an easy way to obtain Omega/M.A.C.O. gear. Instead of just adjusting the drop rates, Cryptic decided to overhaul the whole system. Before the new system was put into place, the price to buy stuff was rather inexpensive. All the reputation system store items were originally sold in the Omega store. We use to be able to buy plasma, antiproton, disruptor, tachyon, and phaser ground and space gear with little stress. Even though the elite drop rates were frustrating, the overall endgame was extremely stress free. Everyone was having a ball.
As a direct result of creating multiple holding systems (reputations, fleetbases, and embassies), Cryptic turned a fun form of entertainment into a nine to five job.
Do you want to know the irony? If Cryptic solely introduced the reputation system, players would not have ended up burning out. Unless cryptic deals with the endless grinding, over priced dilithium items, insane cool-down timers, and out of control exchange prices, the quality of this game will continue to turn players off.
I want to sign into the game next week, but the lack of fun has created a buzz kill.
Do you remember that 'free item giveaway' last week? I never signed into the system. Regardless about what they give away for free, the game's overall issues will continue to be a plague. Giving away free items will not solve the game's overall problems.
I am watching season eight's advertising closely. If Cryptic solves some of the issues, I may try to come back for the next season. Since I have spent so much money on "STO", I am going to give Cryptic a chance to fix things. "Star Trek: Online's" current state is not worth my time and money.
*crosses fingers*
I pray they are listening to everyone's concerns.
I just couldn't keep up and did not have the time to bother, so since then I have exclusively devoted my time and efforts to developing my KDF tactical officer, with some "casual" play on my alts.
Just like with the First Mark System we used to have.
Eventually, They will have made so many different Rep Systems that They will have to either condense them all into one type of Point, or scrap the whole thing...
At which point the process will start all over again.
:rolleyes:
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Has the rep system stopped me from making alts? No, I just have no desire to make additional toons. I already have 1 of each profession and one of each faction. That's plenty for me.
I will never create a new toon untill I will have to repeat several times every day the same contents to complete the reputation system.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
I now have one Romulan/KDF with T5 Romulan and almost Nukara.
I also have 15 or so other alts that I have zero intention to level up rep on. They will be deleted at some point in the very near future.
I don't plan on ever making a new character. I might if they release a new faction, but only for the levelling mission content; which I will then delete at either level 50 or as soon as the unique content stops.
Seriously, making it account bound would be so much better. We'd still have to requisition the gear, meaning that we'd still be spending the dil, which is what really counts.
What possible purpose does it serve to make us run missions like Japori over, and over and over again. Cryptic doesnt make any money of it, and all it does is slow purchases of character slots and associated items.
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One character gets to a rep tier... each character gets the passive unlock and access to other projects of that tier. That way, people with two dozen characters(*coughlikemecough*) wouldn't have to spend a lifetime grinding each of their reps out.
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I have completed tier 5 Omega reputation on my main captain, tier 3 Romulan, and tier 1 for Nukara. I intend to max out both Romulan and Nukara (Romulan for the torpedo and beam array, Nukara for the dual beam and web mines), but only on my main character.
Although I know it will most likely never happen, I wish the reputation system was a constant between all of your characters, so it would give people more incentive for each one, and so it would draw significantly less resources from each one of your characters. I, for one, do not have a ton of time to grind Romulan or Nukara missions or fleet actions for the relatively small amount of marks you get per run (compared to the STF Omega marks), so I would love having the same reputation status on each of my captains, and then worry about grinding out the top level gear for each of them in turn.
Ask yourself: would starfleet assign a ship and crew to rebuild Romulus while fighting the borg all the time? I think it is more logical to assume that the Omega task force members spend all their time fighting the borg, where as some ships spend all their time helping the Romulan people. I realize this is an in universe explanation for a game mechanic, but it keeps me happy. Also, as a bonus, it differentiates my characters in a meaningful way!
The rep system is only being done because the Tier XII purple gear is there. And I want to have it to equipe my guys. It sucks and if there was a different way that was fun, I would play for longer periods of time in STO.
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(it can take four hours just to get enough marks and cash to set up my remaining three characters - thank god my main is done- for the next 20 hours of projects, this is insane cryptic)
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I do like the idea of the tier progression being account shared, but binding the store unlocks and the items to character. This way you alleviate some of the grind (sure, I ran the Tholian Nebula rescue six times this week, but running it with 3 different ships is less tedious than 1).
I also think some, not all DoFFs should offer marks. If I send my duty officers to reinforce a base in Romulan territory, track Borg fleet movements, or have my chef explore the culinary applications of Tholian corpses I think that is worth a fleet mark or two. It also encourages players to regularly patol the regions that they are supposedly having all this impact in.
That said, the epoph DoFFs are awesome and reduce the grind for the Romulan rep exponentially and I think it would be also cool to intigrate something similar to get Omega marks, Neural processors, or Tholian marks as time goes on and more projects are added.
At what point do we gain enough favor with these people that it doesn't take 20 hrs for projects? That would be my question we're supposedly supposed to be improving our favors with these people, sooooo.
It's kinda like the missions for Doff commendations. You get to Tier III and then have to do the exact same amount all over again to get to Tier IV but there's nothing to improve the time it takes to get there nor are there missions that allow for much much higher commendations so as to shorten the time it takes from 50k-100k. Rep seems to have this same limitation!
I love the game, but the time/resources required to hit T5 on all of them puts me off so so so much!
One job per alt (The Farming Cappy. The Foundry Cappy. The PvE Cappy.) and one rep per alt.
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Started on Fed, soon switched to KDF which is now my main.
Since LoR, it's the first time I've sat back and gone, 'ya know what, not going to bother grinding after hitting lvl50'.
I think it was the right decision too. Too much grind as is, so now my alts just do doff missions to feed my main extra dil and earn FMs for base projects.
Until or unless Cryptic figure out a way of making reps on alts easier to grind or or almost effortless, I'm not going to bother grinding rep on alts.
So to answer thread title. LoR was what stopped me. Any future reps will just compound the problem.