PS: CBS said only NO! to a TOS T5 Constitution class.
CBS said "No" to a T5 Connie. We all know this.
And I claimed they said "Yes' to a T5 B'Rel. Again it's in the game we all know this.
The question here is have they said "Yes' to a T5 Miranda? They may not have said "No", but I don't think they said "Yes' either.
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why. When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
More ships... please for the love of all things holy... no more ships for a while (or throw the KDF some love with a couple ships)... but seriously the Feds dont need any more ships for a while...
Content PLEASE, PvP Update, Gateway Update, Foundry Update, Exploration zones, pick one.. pick them all... but for the love of god... NO MORE SHIPS... why do we need new ships to fly around the same old tired content.
+1.
Really, what do people do with all of the ships we already have in game? What we need is more places to use them.
The Fed needs older ships which are out of date and WEAK given the buffs needed to make them compete on equal footing with the klingons and romulans
A few klingon ships also need updates to make them competitive
more new alien ships will be lock box failures like the last 4 lock box ships have been and cryptic knows what failures they have been
anyone who watch's the sales of the lockbox ships also know how poor these ships have done as well
Star trek fans want there classic canon ships treated with the respect they deserve and put on a equal footing with the Alien ships...and we wont mind paying for it either
I guess cryptic has to bring out a few more alien ship failures before they believe this as well
If its alien and not as good as the wells/Mobius/JHDN/JHHC guess what.....Its not going to sell well cryptic because all of the people who power game already have these ships except a small few
If the Fan ships are put in this class they will Sell and sell big...perhaps thats the problem ?
The less than sterling cash flow from the last 4 ships is most likely why the JHAS is now for sale again lol
out fleet has about 75 active members who play several days a week is what i base my statements on i figure most other fleets are about the same,75% of our active members are star trek fans and the rest min/maxers thats more true on our KDF fleet its almost all Fans
most of our Romulan players are power gamers with only a few fan members.Hmmm guess why ? lol
anyway cryptic thats my take on it do what you will but i will leave you with this
make a Galaxy equal in firepower to the JHDN and it will outsell it by a large margin
make intrepod equal to the Wells and it will outsell the Wells
Make a Vorcha and a Neg'Var and a K'Vort along th Same lines
put these ships in lockboxes just like the alien trash your selling and these iconic ships will OUT SELL them if there competitive
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Be nice if they made the K'Vort Class cruiser with an enhanced battle cloak. Give the KDF back some mojo in that area considering the Romulans seems to have robbed them of that with all their battle cloak ships. Or even perhaps as a destroyer similar to the Mogai. Either way K'Vort would be cool and needs to be added since it is canon.
As for the fedside I would love to see the New Orleans, hopefully as a destroyer or light cruiser.
Whilst you are right, and I really DON'T disagree, it does however seem to me that no matter what new content is added, it's always the STF's (particularly ISE) that are the busiest, with the newer content receiving far less attention. It's very rare for it to take more than a minute to be dropped into a new instance of ISE, whereas with other content it's not usual to have to wait a few mintues before sufficent players queue.
So, frankly, in the context of the thread, evidence suggests that new ships simply = something new to take into STF's. Or if you prefer, new content to use in old content.
Actually new STFs, better quality level and more of them was what I had in mind, not the FE missions in particular. Because we've done the current STFs to the death and then some.
Maybe it's just me, but I usually pick a ship I love and stick with it for a loooong time. Would be nice if I could take that ship in a new environment once in a while.
Well this only counts for me, but I have every ship in STO and I like them all and I would switch from one ship to another far more often when it wouldn't mean to recreate my power bar all the time.
PS to jellico1:
Those Lock Box ships don't sell bad otherwise there wouldn't be so much messages that someone got the ship everytime a new Lock Box is released. I actual think they make a fortune alone in the first two days.
A reason those ship don't sell that well on the Exchange is that still 80Mil and more is a lot in this game and do you really want to use it on a new ship, or do you rather invest it in some MK-XII purple gear.
Yeah the last ship I heard the developers were genuinely interested in including was the constellation class. It's a terrible shame about the Springfield and new Orleans classes.
Sorry, but if anyone needs more ships its the KDF, and not the Feds.
I must agree with you.
But the thing FED and KDF need the most is a rework of their ships.
Especially the (Fleet) Heavy Cruiser Retrofit, which has a much too similar BOFF layout as the Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser and Galaxy -R. (forgive me if i have forgotten anything)
To be honest i don't know much about KDF ships but i can imagine that some of their ships suffer from the same problem.
These ships need a serious rework to make them more unique or at least more versatile.
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- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
And I claimed they said "Yes' to a T5 B'Rel. Again it's in the game we all know this.
The question here is have they said "Yes' to a T5 Miranda? They may not have said "No", but I don't think they said "Yes' either.
A common mistake of the proliferation of non-canon sources that contradict with hard canon.
The B'rel was actually only seen once on screen in TNG, and was a vastly larger ship than the Constitution, and a couple of them even posed a threat to a Galaxy Class starship.
I don't think it matters who needs what; the issue is that there are still canon ships, that some of us would like to fly, that are not in the game. They didn't even make it in as non-playable NPC ships.
We got the Centaur and Cheyenne, so where are the others? The ship line up just doesn't feel complete without them.
Personally, I'm particularly interested in the Freedom, Challenger, and Niagara classes; because they would introduce new unique and distinctive ship configurations.
Yes, yes . . . I would like to see Allegiance class as well.
The license for the Merian was being negotiated at the same time as the Vesta - as Mark is the creator of both - but I have no idea whether the license was completed. I don't believe you'll ever see the Allegiance, though.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I haven't played in probably 9 months but I patched up and logged in yesterday only to find that PWE hasn't added any new canon federation ships. Has PWE given up on adding ships like:
Niagara
New Orleans
Freedom
Challenger
Springfield
Constellation
Curry
Soyuz
ect...
The Constellation is really the only ship on that list that has any screen time; and I'd have to wonder if they don't just consider the Stargazer Class in the game a 25th century version of the Constellation - especially since it's named after what is probably the only famous Constellation in canon.
The rest are just glimpsed kit-bashes. At best I'd rather see Cryptic making a few more original ships at this point.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The Constellation is really the only ship on that list that has any screen time; and I'd have to wonder if they don't just consider the Stargazer Class in the game a 25th century version of the Constellation - especially since it's named after what is probably the only famous Constellation in canon.
The rest are just glimpsed kit-bashes. At best I'd rather see Cryptic making a few more original ships at this point.
Agreed, but they should have given the Stargazer Class (Heavy Cruiser Retrofit) a different BOFF layout.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
The Constellation is really the only ship on that list that has any screen time; and I'd have to wonder if they don't just consider the Stargazer Class in the game a 25th century version of the Constellation - especially since it's named after what is probably the only famous Constellation in canon.
The rest are just glimpsed kit-bashes. At best I'd rather see Cryptic making a few more original ships at this point.
If they made them with the standard 3 variants of the free ships, they could do both at the same time.
The Constellation is really the only ship on that list that has any screen time; and I'd have to wonder if they don't just consider the Stargazer Class in the game a 25th century version of the Constellation - especially since it's named after what is probably the only famous Constellation in canon.
The rest are just glimpsed kit-bashes. At best I'd rather see Cryptic making a few more original ships at this point.
Cryptic's designs are ugly and even a few minutes is a lot more then any of the Cryptic ships have seen on screen. Also this isn't Cryptic space online its Star Trek Online which means it should use stuff from the shows and extras only when required.
Cryptic's designs are ugly and even a few minutes is a lot more then any of the Cryptic ships have seen on screen. Also this isn't Cryptic space online its Star Trek Online which means it should use stuff from the shows and extras only when required.
Ugly is subjective, and it's important to understand that. When TNG first started in '87 the BBS was flooded with people saying how ugly the Galaxy was. Compared to the streamline Excelsior and Connie from the TOS movies the Galaxy was fat with an over-sized saucer that made it look like it should fall forward in space. It wasn't universally loved. 26 years later it's considered iconic, and very loved by much of the fan-base.
As far as the game being Cryptic Online, STO's timeline is 30 years past Nemesis. Starfleet would have many new ship designs by 2409. Heck, the Intrepid, Defiant, Prometheus, and Sovereign were only a few years behind the production of the Galaxy. There's no reason to assume Starfleet stopped making ships with those designs.
If CBS made a new series decades past Voyager would you expect those shows to only use the old ships? Of course not! You'd expect to see the new Enterprise ship and all the other advancements in that time. That's what we should be expecting in STO too, rather then 250 year old ships that have no place in this time period.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The only thing they have left to add is some kit bashes, some tiny obscure ships that were only shown for less than a second. Personally I want some lower tier Caitian, Vulcan or Andorian ships. NO MORE FLYING SPOONS WITH SUB-PAR STATS!!!
Ugly is subjective, and it's important to understand that. When TNG first started in '87 the BBS was flooded with people saying how ugly the Galaxy was. Compared to the streamline Excelsior and Connie from the TOS movies the Galaxy was fat with an over-sized saucer that made it look like it should fall forward in space. It wasn't universally loved. 26 years later it's considered iconic, and very loved by much of the fan-base.
As far as the game being Cryptic Online, STO's timeline is 30 years past Nemesis. Starfleet would have many new ship designs by 2409. Heck, the Intrepid, Defiant, Prometheus, and Sovereign were only a few years behind the production of the Galaxy. There's no reason to assume Starfleet stopped making ships with those designs.
If CBS made a new series decades past Voyager would you expect those shows to only use the old ships? Of course not! You'd expect to see the new Enterprise ship and all the other advancements in that time. That's what we should be expecting in STO too, rather then 250 year old ships that have no place in this time period.
It took me along time to like the Galaxy. I thought it was one of the ugliest ships made. Now, I like it. Sleek, powerful, and majestic.
The Galaxy is one of my Favorite ships. That being said I like the Sleeker more stylized look of the Venture, THAT being said the Venture skin on the Gal-X takes it from a funnly looking Kitbash to a sleek ship that looks like it was DESIGNED that way.
But i dont really want new ships, maybe a few made into Fleet status with the standard bonuses, Like the Atrox and the Gal-X.
Let the Klingons have a go for a while, you know maybe they will get a bigger player base, which will mean more money for Cryptic bringing more stuff for the klingons, you know like a capitalist cycle which is how this game runs.
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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Yes Klingons need more love with ships but only 10% of the players play KDF from a economic point of view it makes no scenes to make new ships for a faction that not many people play.
I myself have Klingon alts so new ships are welcome but I don't think that we will get them.
And thats the thing, From a ship creation point, the company is making ships to make money, so the fact that 10% of the players on kdf side play from an economic stand point.
all im saying is people want.
the ones who open their wallets more usually end up with more.
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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It is not so much, that Feds need more ships, but Trekkis who like to see a complete ship class catalogue.
I think KDF has achieved that already.
Nearly all canon Klingon ships are in the game but still some are missing and I would love to see them getting added.
I am not aware of any, but if there are, I can get behind that. With a few exceptions Icm Not a fan if Cryptic designs.
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CBS said "No" to a T5 Connie. We all know this.
And I claimed they said "Yes' to a T5 B'Rel. Again it's in the game we all know this.
The question here is have they said "Yes' to a T5 Miranda? They may not have said "No", but I don't think they said "Yes' either.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
+1.
Really, what do people do with all of the ships we already have in game?
The klingons need new ships,........K'Vort
The Fed needs older ships which are out of date and WEAK given the buffs needed to make them compete on equal footing with the klingons and romulans
A few klingon ships also need updates to make them competitive
more new alien ships will be lock box failures like the last 4 lock box ships have been and cryptic knows what failures they have been
anyone who watch's the sales of the lockbox ships also know how poor these ships have done as well
Star trek fans want there classic canon ships treated with the respect they deserve and put on a equal footing with the Alien ships...and we wont mind paying for it either
I guess cryptic has to bring out a few more alien ship failures before they believe this as well
If its alien and not as good as the wells/Mobius/JHDN/JHHC guess what.....Its not going to sell well cryptic because all of the people who power game already have these ships except a small few
If the Fan ships are put in this class they will Sell and sell big...perhaps thats the problem ?
The less than sterling cash flow from the last 4 ships is most likely why the JHAS is now for sale again lol
out fleet has about 75 active members who play several days a week is what i base my statements on i figure most other fleets are about the same,75% of our active members are star trek fans and the rest min/maxers thats more true on our KDF fleet its almost all Fans
most of our Romulan players are power gamers with only a few fan members.Hmmm guess why ? lol
anyway cryptic thats my take on it do what you will but i will leave you with this
make a Galaxy equal in firepower to the JHDN and it will outsell it by a large margin
make intrepod equal to the Wells and it will outsell the Wells
Make a Vorcha and a Neg'Var and a K'Vort along th Same lines
put these ships in lockboxes just like the alien trash your selling and these iconic ships will OUT SELL them if there competitive
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Be nice if they made the K'Vort Class cruiser with an enhanced battle cloak. Give the KDF back some mojo in that area considering the Romulans seems to have robbed them of that with all their battle cloak ships. Or even perhaps as a destroyer similar to the Mogai. Either way K'Vort would be cool and needs to be added since it is canon.
As for the fedside I would love to see the New Orleans, hopefully as a destroyer or light cruiser.
Actually new STFs, better quality level and more of them was what I had in mind, not the FE missions in particular. Because we've done the current STFs to the death and then some.
Maybe it's just me, but I usually pick a ship I love and stick with it for a loooong time. Would be nice if I could take that ship in a new environment once in a while.
PS to jellico1:
Those Lock Box ships don't sell bad otherwise there wouldn't be so much messages that someone got the ship everytime a new Lock Box is released. I actual think they make a fortune alone in the first two days.
A reason those ship don't sell that well on the Exchange is that still 80Mil and more is a lot in this game and do you really want to use it on a new ship, or do you rather invest it in some MK-XII purple gear.
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I must agree with you.
But the thing FED and KDF need the most is a rework of their ships.
Especially the (Fleet) Heavy Cruiser Retrofit, which has a much too similar BOFF layout as the Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser and Galaxy -R. (forgive me if i have forgotten anything)
To be honest i don't know much about KDF ships but i can imagine that some of their ships suffer from the same problem.
These ships need a serious rework to make them more unique or at least more versatile.
A common mistake of the proliferation of non-canon sources that contradict with hard canon.
The B'rel was actually only seen once on screen in TNG, and was a vastly larger ship than the Constitution, and a couple of them even posed a threat to a Galaxy Class starship.
We got the Centaur and Cheyenne, so where are the others? The ship line up just doesn't feel complete without them.
Personally, I'm particularly interested in the Freedom, Challenger, and Niagara classes; because they would introduce new unique and distinctive ship configurations.
The Battlecruiser type is in the game already
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Koro%27t%27inga_Battle_Cruiser
Yes, yes . . . I would like to see Allegiance class as well.
The rest are just glimpsed kit-bashes. At best I'd rather see Cryptic making a few more original ships at this point.
Agreed, but they should have given the Stargazer Class (Heavy Cruiser Retrofit) a different BOFF layout.
If they made them with the standard 3 variants of the free ships, they could do both at the same time.
Cryptic's designs are ugly and even a few minutes is a lot more then any of the Cryptic ships have seen on screen. Also this isn't Cryptic space online its Star Trek Online which means it should use stuff from the shows and extras only when required.
As far as the game being Cryptic Online, STO's timeline is 30 years past Nemesis. Starfleet would have many new ship designs by 2409. Heck, the Intrepid, Defiant, Prometheus, and Sovereign were only a few years behind the production of the Galaxy. There's no reason to assume Starfleet stopped making ships with those designs.
If CBS made a new series decades past Voyager would you expect those shows to only use the old ships? Of course not! You'd expect to see the new Enterprise ship and all the other advancements in that time. That's what we should be expecting in STO too, rather then 250 year old ships that have no place in this time period.
Take a look at this Playable Ships lineup. The KDF & Romulans need attention.
It took me along time to like the Galaxy. I thought it was one of the ugliest ships made. Now, I like it. Sleek, powerful, and majestic.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But i dont really want new ships, maybe a few made into Fleet status with the standard bonuses, Like the Atrox and the Gal-X.
Let the Klingons have a go for a while, you know maybe they will get a bigger player base, which will mean more money for Cryptic bringing more stuff for the klingons, you know like a capitalist cycle which is how this game runs.
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I myself have Klingon alts so new ships are welcome but I don't think that we will get them.
all im saying is people want.
the ones who open their wallets more usually end up with more.
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]