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  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Personally I think a separate chart for each faction is best served by a separate thread for each chart (put in each faction's Shipyards, Fleetyards, and Flotilla as appropriate).

    Thanks again for the efforts Starfish1. Great job!

    You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Heeeyyy Star is still alive :D

    lordhavelock is right with his idea. Divide and conquer!


    You said it is difficult for you to get ship pictures with the right light exposure? I am not sure now if it is the right word but you know what I mean. Aren't there most of the ship pictures in a gallery here on the board? I know the ships are not always in the right angle, but maybe you would take a look if you like.
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Personally I think a separate chart for each faction is best served by a separate thread for each chart (put in each faction's Shipyards, Fleetyards, and Flotilla as appropriate).

    Thanks again for the efforts Starfish1. Great job!

    Great suggestion. Thanks. :)

    PS. I have re-uploaded the Fed chart so the mistake with the Monbosh BOFF layout (there's a tongue twister for you) is now fixed. Sorry to anyone who uploaded it straight away and got the mistake. You will need to upload it again. :o

    I'm going to fix the KDF and Rommy ones just now.
    Heeeyyy Star is still alive :D

    lordhavelock is right with his idea. Divide and conquer!


    You said it is difficult for you to get ship pictures with the right light exposure? I am not sure now if it is the right word but you know what I mean. Aren't there most of the ship pictures in a gallery here on the board? I know the ships are not always in the right angle, but maybe you would take a look if you like.

    Thanks for that.

    I did something a bit sneaky for these Elachi ships and also for the Tal Shiar ships as well. I sat outside ESD waiting for the new ships to warp in, and grabbed some screenshots. I sometimes have to wait a while, but failing that, yes, I would have to use the ones on the website as placeholders.

    Many thanks again.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I did something a bit sneaky for these Elachi ships and also for the Tal Shiar ships as well. I sat outside ESD waiting for the new ships to warp in, and grabbed some screenshots. I sometimes have to wait a while, but failing that, yes, I would have to use the ones on the website as placeholders.

    Many thanks again.

    Wow, didn't know you were so devoted to the charts (and their users). Thanks for your hard work.


    As for the single thread for all charts, I agree with PatricianVetinari (which I wrote on the KDF chart threda).
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Hello Starfish1. While working on a spreadsheet, I was chugging my way through your chart (such a work of Art, my friend!) and I noticed a couple of nits that could do with picking:

    • The NX Class Light Escort offers +5 to Weapons Power (none is listed on your chart).
    • The Tholian Recluse offers +5 Engine Power, +10 Auxiliary (instead of just +5 Aux listed).
    • Several ships (ex: Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit) have a sub-note that they "Can also be accessed as a character unlock by redeeming the Life Time Subscription VA Token" - As a point of clarification, the VA Token is available as part of the Veteran Rewards. Anyone subscribed for 600 days will also get access to VA Tokens. Not just LTS subscribers (though LTS does not have to wait 600 days, they get it immediately upon purchase). May I suggest: "Can also be accessed as a character unlock by redeeming LTS/Veteran VA Token"?
    • The Armitage's console is misspelled (Torpedo Point Defence should be Defense).
    • The Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit should be listed as having the same Advanced Transwarp Drive as the non-Fleet version (as opposed to simply "Transwarp Drive" as is now listed).


    Thanks again for the hard work!

    You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Hello Starfish1. While working on a spreadsheet, I was chugging my way through your chart (such a work of Art, my friend!) and I noticed a couple of nits that could do with picking:

    • The NX Class Light Escort offers +5 to Weapons Power (none is listed on your chart).
    • The Tholian Recluse offers +5 Engine Power, +10 Auxiliary (instead of just +5 Aux listed).
    • Several ships (ex: Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit) have a sub-note that they "Can also be accessed as a character unlock by redeeming the Life Time Subscription VA Token" - As a point of clarification, the VA Token is available as part of the Veteran Rewards. Anyone subscribed for 600 days will also get access to VA Tokens. Not just LTS subscribers (though LTS does not have to wait 600 days, they get it immediately upon purchase). May I suggest: "Can also be accessed as a character unlock by redeeming LTS/Veteran VA Token"?
    • The Armitage's console is misspelled (Torpedo Point Defence should be Defense).
    • The Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit should be listed as having the same Advanced Transwarp Drive as the non-Fleet version (as opposed to simply "Transwarp Drive" as is now listed).


    Thanks again for the hard work!

    Thanks so much for this. :)

    It will probably be next week before I can make the changes, but these are great. Thank you.

    The whole, 'defence' vs 'defense' thing came up in another thread of mine, and it's because I am from the UK, and that's how we spell it in UK English. If it's a ship name I tend to spell it as it is 'in game' but if it's text I tend to spell it in UK English, though I should probably just stick with one version of our language, and I guess most of the English speakers who use the charts are from the US.

    Many thanks again. :D
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ...It will probably be next week before I can make the changes, but these are great. Thank you.

    The whole, 'defence' vs 'defense' thing came up in another thread of mine, and it's because I am from the UK, and that's how we spell it in UK English...
    Hey, no rush, just lettin' ya know.

    So what do you think you guys like, what, invented the language or something?!?! Sheesh! :P

    Yeah, I figured it might be a TOE-mato, to-MAH-to, color, colour thing. I'd go with whatever version is in the game, but it ain't no biggie either way.

    :)

    You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2013
    The whole, 'defence' vs 'defense' thing came up in another thread of mine, and it's because I am from the UK, and that's how we spell it in UK English. If it's a ship name I tend to spell it as it is 'in game' but if it's text I tend to spell it in UK English, though I should probably just stick with one version of our language, and I guess most of the English speakers who use the charts are from the US.

    Even though the whole missing u / z instead of s / s instead of c / re vs er situation really grates my eyes, it would be better if the spelling was consistent to only one version of English, I can put up with ionize and defense, but what really annoys me is Sabre been spelt incorrectly, even the American aircraft was spelt the re way (and I'm guessing the ship was named after the aeroplane).
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  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Updated to version 3.6
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Correction to NX class bonus power levels
    Correction to Tholian Recluse bonus power levels
    Update to VA Intrepid, Galaxy and Defiant token text
    Correction to spelling of Armitage console
    Correction to spelling of Thunderchild console
    Correction to description of transwarp ability for the Fleet Excelsior

    Also updated version chart1a.jpg and chart1b.jpg (links below) for those that can't open the full chart.

    Any issues, let me know. :)

    The upper half for those who have issues opening the full version
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1a.jpg

    The lower half for those who have issues opening the full version
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1b.jpg

    Many thanks.

    Regards,
    Starfish1
  • edtheheroedthehero Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Starfish, this is truly excellent work.

    I noted that at the bottom of the chart, where the firing arcs are explained, there's the date "10.11.2012". Maybe that date should be changed?

    Keep up the good work. It's appreciated. :)
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  • akulaeasternakulaeastern Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Nice charts... This thread hold be sticky.
  • spidermitch0spidermitch0 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    These things are really looking good, Starfish! It's great to see someone continuing this great community resource! Cool little tutorial video too :cool: Makes me want to jump back into STO... *sigh* if only I had more time :(
  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Could you add the unique ship variants to the Federation Fleet ships that have one?

    Fleet Assault - Imperial
    Fleet Star - Nomad
    Fleet Advanced - Hephaestus
    Fleet Patrol - Maelstrom
    Fleet DSSV - Nimbus
    Fleet RSV - Comet
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  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Updated to version 3.7
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Added the Avenger Battle Cruiser and Avenger Fleet Battle Cruiser
    Updated the descriptions of original Avenger class to read Sentinel class
    Added thumbnails of unique fleet ship variants (Imperial, Nomad, Hephaestus, Maelstrom, Nimbus and Comet) to applicable vessels

    Thanks to lianthlia and bugspatteredjack for the inertia value of the Avenger :)
    Thanks to smokeybacon90 for the fleet variants suggestion :)

    Any issues, let me know.

    Regards,
    Starfish1
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Updated to version 3.8
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Updated appropriate cross faction and Federation ships with the new Advanced Comm Array icons. Due to lack of space, I have resorted to putting them on the frame itself. I have taken the liberty of colour coding the icons to aid in distinguishing them at a glance.

    I have also updated the Frame Guide for the new icons.

    Hope it helps. :)

    Any issues, let me know.

    Regards,
    Starfish1
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'd have to check to be sure, but I believe there's (and apparently has been for a while) a small mistake with the 'star cruiser' and its fleet version's inertia. It should probably be 30 instead of the marked 15.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    toiva wrote: »
    I'd have to check to be sure, but I believe there's (and apparently has been for a while) a small mistake with the 'star cruiser' and its fleet version's inertia. It should probably be 30 instead of the marked 15.

    Thanks for that toiva. :)

    It does seem very low, but then the Galaxy is only 25. I wonder if they just upped it to 30 for the mirror version. I can't even be sure where I got that original figure from.

    If anyone owns either of those two vessels (Star Cruiser and/or Fleet Star Cruiser) can you please let us know what the inertia of those vessels is. I'm not playing the game enough anymore to spot someone who has it to ask them. :o
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So I went ahead and got the star cruiser on Tribble.

    Sure, you could argue it's no holodeck, but even if it weren't the same value, it could come soon (with season 8). I also looked at all the other ships my toon currently has there and found some other discrepancies.

    Inertia:
    Star cruiser: 30, it's 15 on the chart
    Multi-vector advanced escort: 60; it's 70 on the chart
    Multi-mission reconnaissance explorer: 40; it's 50 on the chart
    Odyssey star cruiser: 20; same as on the chart
    And others that have the same inertia as on the chart: Breen Chel Grett, Long Range sci, Assault cruiser, Assault cruiser refit, Mirror assault cruiser.

    Afaik, the Fleet variants and other types of the same ship class model (Tier 4 Exploration cruiser and the Tier 5 Exploration cruiser retrofit, for instance) keep the same inertia. Therefore I'd guess all of the Vestas have 40, the Fleet Prometheus also has 60 and the Fleet star cruiser also 30.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    toiva wrote: »
    So I went ahead and got the star cruiser on Tribble.

    Inertia:
    Star cruiser: 30, it's 15 on the chart
    Multi-vector advanced escort: 60; it's 70 on the chart
    Multi-mission reconnaissance explorer: 40; it's 50 on the chart

    Afaik, the Fleet variants and other types of the same ship class model (Tier 4 Exploration cruiser and the Tier 5 Exploration cruiser retrofit, for instance) keep the same inertia. Therefore I'd guess all of the Vestas have 40, the Fleet Prometheus also has 60 and the Fleet star cruiser also 30.

    Wow! :eek:

    That's very good of you. Thanks for doing that (and also for confirming the others are correct). :)


    Updated to version 3.9
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Updated inertia values as per the post from Tovia, including the RA Advanced Escort (another version of the Prometheus).

    Any issues or amendments, please let me know.

    Regards,
    Starfish1
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Updated to version 3.10
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Added the Obelisk Carriers.

    Any issues or amendments, please let me know.

    Regards,
    Starfish1
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Fast work, I just wanted to point out the basic version of the Obelisk carrier doesn't come with the Omnidirectional AP beam array nor the Subspace Rift warp core. You get them separately, so they probably shouldn't be listed on the vessel.

    (Technically, you get one of the two at the same time as the basic Obelisk, but it's still not part of the Obelisk package and you need to replay the mission for the second item.)

    EDIT: Actually, I think even the Two and Three part bonuses shouldn't be listed on the two Obelisk carriers. (But if there's place, whatever.)

    Another little tidbit I found: The Andorian escorts have an inertia of 60, not 70 like the chart states.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Updated to version 3.11
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Added the two new Voth ships
    Updated Mirror Universe Patrol Escort to include also available in Voth lock box
    Updated Mirror Universe Advanced Escort to include also available in Voth lock box
    Updated inertia values of Andorian ships (thanks tovia) :)
    Changed Obelisk Carrier graphics a bit to show all the three rewards a bit better

    A big thank you to whichever Dev took the screenshots of the two Voth ships. The angle was perfect for my chart. You've saved me a lot of time. :)

    Fleet Spire vessels to follow.
    Klingon and Romulan charts will get the lock box update in the next day or two.

    Any issues or amendments, please let me know.

    Regards,
    Starfish1
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Happy Birthday to my Federation Ship Chart. :)

    It's year ago today that I released the first version of this chart.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Happy Birthday to my Federation Ship Chart. :)

    It's year ago today that I released the first version of this chart.

    Happy birthday then. I wish the chart to stay as informative as ever and help many players with choosing a new ship. ;)
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Updated to version 3.12
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Added Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider
    Updated Breen Chel Grett Warship
    Added Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer to tier 2*
    Added Fleet Caitian Atrox Carrier to tier 3*
    Included inertia value to VA Catian Atrox
    Updated rewards text for Obelisk Carrier
    Re-organised cross faction vessels into a more sensible order

    * The spire fleet ships have been included with the other fleet ships but given a spire icon with the requirements/cost to indicate the fleet holding. I actually let out a little groan when I realised that Cryptic had added ships to a new holding because I couldn't see an easy way to integrate them into the chart. They should ideally have a spire holding area on the chart of their own to separate them from the other fleet ships, but the chart is probably big enough as it is already. I suspect Cryptic will continue this trend with other fleet holdings in the future, so I would give those ships their own holding icon if/when that happens. I am open to better suggestions or comments on this decision if you have any though. :)

    Fleet Obelisk to follow when I know the price/requirement.

    Klingon and Romulan charts will get updated shortly.

    Any issues or amendments, please let me know.

    Regards,
    Starfish1
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I'm sure you know the Obelisk is finally visible in the ingame store, but here's a pic, anyway.
    It's indeed the same stats as the free one that was available from Sphere of Influence.
    Curiously, it doesn't cost 200k Fleet Credits like the Odyssey and the Bortas, but 2 Fleet ship modules and 20k Fleet Credits.

    http://s13.postimg.org/rrt8c2ozb/screenshot_2013_12_21_18_45_52.jpg
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    toiva wrote: »
    I'm sure you know the Obelisk is finally visible in the ingame store, but here's a pic, anyway.
    It's indeed the same stats as the free one that was available from Sphere of Influence.
    Curiously, it doesn't cost 200k Fleet Credits like the Odyssey and the Bortas, but 2 Fleet ship modules and 20k Fleet Credits.

    http://s13.postimg.org/rrt8c2ozb/screenshot_2013_12_21_18_45_52.jpg


    Hmm... Those costs are strange..

    Toiva, did you see if there was a special gear/console with?
  • earlnyghthawkearlnyghthawk Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Honestly, this chart kind of looks like some of the "info-charts", that come with some of my older games. You know the kind, they have info, but they look nice enough to use as posters, occasionally.
    It looks slick, and well done, over all.
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  • dkratascodkratasco Member Posts: 585 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    toiva wrote: »
    I'm sure you know the Obelisk is finally visible in the ingame store, but here's a pic, anyway.
    It's indeed the same stats as the free one that was available from Sphere of Influence.
    Curiously, it doesn't cost 200k Fleet Credits like the Odyssey and the Bortas, but 2 Fleet ship modules and 20k Fleet Credits.

    http://s13.postimg.org/rrt8c2ozb/screenshot_2013_12_21_18_45_52.jpg

    Check rest of Fleet ships, they all cost now 20k FC and some Fleet ship modules.
  • starfish1701starfish1701 Member Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Thanks for the comments guys, and thanks for the heads up about the Obelisk Tovia :)

    Updated to version 3.13
    http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg

    Added Fleet Holdings legend
    Added Obelisk Carrier to the fleet ships section
    Updated the Voth Bastion with inertia, fighter and set bonus details
    Updated the Voth Palisade with intertia and set bonus details
    Added the Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser
    Minor correction to the Regent class torpedo launcher colour
    Added the Voth Heavy Fighter
    Minor update to the RA Obelisk and Advanced Obelisk set bonus text

    Any issues or amendments, please let me know.

    This may be the last update to the charts till mid March (due to boring real life stuff). If that is the case, please don't think I've forgotten about them or aren't updating them anymore.

    Please post corrections or issues as normal, and I'll pick them up and correct them (along with any new ships) with the next update. :)

    Regards,
    Starfish1
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