Toiva, did you see if there was a special gear/console with?
Well, there's no special console coming with it. You can still get two of the consoles by (re)playing Sphere of Influence and the third (Obelisk unique) one on the Lobi store Obelisk.
The price of this 'base' Obelisk is lower than that of Fleet level ships (good, since it doesn't have the Fleet 10 consoles, Shield and hull bonuses) - unless you got discount on the given Fleet level ship. But it's kinda hard to compare 2 FSMs and 20k Credits to 200k Credits, yet they deliver 9 console ships.
Check rest of Fleet ships, they all cost now 20k FC and some Fleet ship modules.
Yes, Fleet level ships do.
Not the basic Tier 5 ships (9 console slots etc.) simply available through a fleet.
Since the Spire Obelisk is the reward version with basic stats, I was expecting the 200k Fleet Credits price slapped on it.
Sorry for answering so late, was kinda AFK for the Holiday. :P
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Addition of Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser
Addition of Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort
Addition of Hirogen Apex Heavy Battlecruiser
Update to Dreadnought Cruiser stats (hangar and BOFF loadout)
Addition of Dyson Science Destroyers (RA Solanae, VA Omega, VA Montgonery, VA Helios)
Addition of Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Update to console images of Advanced Obelisk Carrier, Elachi S'Golth and Elachi Monbosh
Various inertia additions
Updated icons for the cross faction ships
Addition of Nicor Bio-Warship and Dromias Bio-Cruiser
Addition of the Mirror Universe Science Vessel Retrofit (Mirror Nova)
Addition of Patrol Escort Refit (Tempest)
Update to availability of Fleet Patrol Escort
Addition of the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit
Addition of Flanking Bonus icon to Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider
Corrected omission of Breen Bridge from the Chel Grett
That's interesting. With your Risian tropical background, the cruiser looks much better.
Either way, thanks for the update.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Dude... Cryptic should give you a job as official chartmaker or something.
If only... But since they never even helped Spidermitch back then (he had to actually ask people to send him pics of new ships, as the ones in released blogs were crappy), it's pretty unlikely they'll ever acknowledge the utility of Starfish1's charts.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
If only... But since they never even helped Spidermitch back then (he had to actually ask people to send him pics of new ships, as the ones in released blogs were crappy), it's pretty unlikely they'll ever acknowledge the utility of Starfish1's charts.
And why would they? It's a fan's effort and a company doesn't need to invest itself into everyone of these, otherwise it would lose it's indepence.
And why would they? It's a fan's effort and a company doesn't need to invest itself into everyone of these, otherwise it would lose it's indepence.
Would it be hard to send pics and stats for the chart maker to update the chart more easily? Possibly point out mistakes?
PWE sure 'doesn't need to invest itself', but it'd be a nice change of pace.
Thing is, there should be a chart like these available done by Cryptic/PWE in the first place, along with much more information for players. Many in game descriptions are wrong, C-store descriptions wrong, etc. These charts try to offer to players actual values they may not find elsewhere.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Addition of the Heavy Cruiser Refit (Constellation Class)
Update to the BOFF layout of the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Correction of the inertia values of the Fleet and Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Addition of T5-U icons to appropriate ships
Addition of text to indicate rank up ship choices
Hope you find the new updates useful.
Any issues or amendments, please post below, and I'll pick them up for the next update.
But you're quickly running out of space for all the new additions on the upper bar. First cruiser commands and flanking, then secondary deflectors and now the 'Update to near Tier 6'.
Btw, do you intend to make a new list with all the Tier 6 and Tier 5-U (Tier 5 Fleet-U) ships or try to cram it in the existing chart?
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
But you're quickly running out of space for all the new additions on the upper bar. First cruiser commands and flanking, then secondary deflectors and now the 'Update to near Tier 6'.
Btw, do you intend to make a new list with all the Tier 6 and Tier 5-U (Tier 5 Fleet-U) ships or try to cram it in the existing chart?
Will I? Won't I? Is it now time to call it a day?
I'm still undecided, but this Friday the KDF and Rom charts will have the same icons that I've given this Fed one, so that's a start, but after that, I'm going to look into adding more T5-U info.
There is already data flowing in about the extra console slots and Mastery Passive Abilities, but it sounds as though they are still in flux from reading what gorngonzolla said in the official thread.
I've been scratching my head for over a week on how I'm going to fit it all in and I think I've decided to play around with the layout and try to cram it in rather than duplicate everything. I'm giving myself a couple of weeks to try and come up with something I can live with that doesn't look too messy.
I've been scratching my head for over a week on how I'm going to fit it all in and I think I've decided to play around with the layout and try to cram it in rather than duplicate everything. I'm giving myself a couple of weeks to try and come up with something I can live with that doesn't look too messy.
I'm still undecided, but this Friday the KDF and Rom charts will have the same icons that I've given this Fed one, so that's a start, but after that, I'm going to look into adding more T5-U info.
There is already data flowing in about the extra console slots and Mastery Passive Abilities, but it sounds as though they are still in flux from reading what gorngonzolla said in the official thread.
It definitely is all in flux now.
I wouln't put anything definitive in your layout mockups, just try to find space for any given 4 passive abilities and a bonus console the upgradeable ships may end up with.
Sadly I'm locked out of Tribble as a Silver and so I'm even less informed than usual before a larger update.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
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edited September 2014
Might have to make the cells bigger for the ships to accomidate the new stuff.
But its still very well done.
I think the simplest solution to save space for t5-u is to add the information on top of the t5 entries but highlighted in the same green as your t5-u upgrade console.
For example. If you look at the Fleet battle cruiser on the t4 starbase, you can add a 2nd sci console with a green u icon behind it or put the second console in a green box. Then with the stats for the t5-u numbers for hull etc you can write the changed numbers in green beside the regular ones. then lower the whole thing downs for t6 ships over it.
It would be hard to add a t5u section as it would still require starbase teirs, va and ra ships duplicated. Only one new section for t6 should be added.
I think the simplest solution to save space for t5-u is to add the information on top of the t5 entries but highlighted in the same green as your t5-u upgrade console.
For example. If you look at the Fleet battle cruiser on the t4 starbase, you can add a 2nd sci console with a green u icon behind it or put the second console in a green box. Then with the stats for the t5-u numbers for hull etc you can write the changed numbers in green beside the regular ones. then lower the whole thing downs for t6 ships over it.
It would be hard to add a t5u section as it would still require starbase teirs, va and ra ships duplicated. Only one new section for t6 should be added.
Thanks for that, your input is really appreciated. I was thinking along similar lines myself and I've pretty much settled on the final solution after playing around with the layout over a number of days.
That green plus sign will appear as the extra console slot with the others, the passives will be listed below them and prefixed with the same green plus and because I won't know what the start and end figures will be for the hull, I've got a new icon which says Scaleable Hull in an up arrow, again with the green plus. If enough people give me the new hull scales, or Cryptic publishes them all I will see how I can fit them in there.
Thanks for that, your input is really appreciated. I was thinking along similar lines myself and I've pretty much settled on the final solution after playing around with the layout over a number of days.
That green plus sign will appear as the extra console slot with the others, the passives will be listed below them and prefixed with the same green plus and because I won't know what the start and end figures will be for the hull, I've got a new icon which says Scaleable Hull in an up arrow, again with the green plus. If enough people give me the new hull scales, or Cryptic publishes them all I will see how I can fit them in there.
Many thanks again.
From what I've seen, the hull bonus on the upgraded ships is 15% at level 50 up to 1/3 (33.33333%) at level 60.
For example: C-store Tier 5 Ar'kif goes from 31,500 up to 42,000 at level 60. Tier 5 C-Store Galaxy Dreadnought from 40k to 53,333.33 (as displayed).
So far I haven't found exceptions to that 'rule'.
Also, just a reminder:
Ships:
Renamed Aquarius Destroyer to Aquarius Light Escort.
Improved its base hull value from 24,000 to 25,500.
Improved its shield modifier from 0.85 to 0.9.
Improved its turn rate from 17 to 20.
Improved its impulse speed from 0.15 to 0.22.
Added Raider Flanking, allowing it to gain a damage bonus when attacking a targets' rear arc.
+25% Damage vs. NPCs, +8.33% Damage vs. Players.
Can now equip Console - Universal - Cloaking Device.
All seats, except Commander Tactical, have been upgraded to be Universal.
Renamed Fleet Aquarius Destroyer to Fleet Aquarius Light Escort.
Improved its base hull value from 26,400 to 28,050.
Improved its shield modifier from 0.935 to 0.99.
Improved its turn rate from 17 to 20.
Improved its impulse speed from 0.15 to 0.22.
Added Raider Flanking, allowing it to gain a damage bonus when attacking a targets' rear arc.
+25% Damage vs. NPCs, +8.33% Damage vs. Players.
Can now equip Starfleet Cloaking Device.
All seats, except Commander Tactical, have been upgraded to be Universal.
T5-U versions of this starship will benefit from the improvements above.
Fleet Aquarius Light Escort [T5-U].
This starship now has the Raider Starship Mastery package:
Level 1: Precise Weapon Systems (+Accuracy)
Level 2: Tactical Maneuver (+Defense)
Level 3: Enhanced Weapon Systems (+Damage)
Level 4: Enhanced Weapon Banks (+Crit Severity)
Vesta Multi-Mission Science Vessels.
Improved its base hull value from 27,900 to 29,040.
Improved its shield modifier from 1.35 to 1.4.
T5-U versions of this starship will benefit from the improvements above.
Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit.
Improved its turn rate from 9 to 10.
Improved its inertial from 40 to 45.
Added a +accuracy bonus on the Console - Universal - Tachyon Grid to both the passive and active effects.
The Fleet and T5-U versions of this starship will also benefit from the improvements above.
D'Kyr Science Vessel
Improved its turn rate from 10 to 11.
Improved its Inertia from 30 to 45.
Upgraded the Ensign Science bridge officer seat to Ensign Universal.
T5-U versions of this starship will benefit from the improvements above.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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The price of this 'base' Obelisk is lower than that of Fleet level ships (good, since it doesn't have the Fleet 10 consoles, Shield and hull bonuses) - unless you got discount on the given Fleet level ship. But it's kinda hard to compare 2 FSMs and 20k Credits to 200k Credits, yet they deliver 9 console ships.
Yes, Fleet level ships do.
Not the basic Tier 5 ships (9 console slots etc.) simply available through a fleet.
Since the Spire Obelisk is the reward version with basic stats, I was expecting the 200k Fleet Credits price slapped on it.
Sorry for answering so late, was kinda AFK for the Holiday. :P
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg
Addition of Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser
Addition of Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort
Addition of Hirogen Apex Heavy Battlecruiser
Update to Dreadnought Cruiser stats (hangar and BOFF loadout)
Addition of Dyson Science Destroyers (RA Solanae, VA Omega, VA Montgonery, VA Helios)
Addition of Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Update to console images of Advanced Obelisk Carrier, Elachi S'Golth and Elachi Monbosh
Various inertia additions
Updated icons for the cross faction ships
For those who can't view the large chart, I have updated the upper and lower half only versions:
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1a.jpg
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1b.jpg
Any issues or amendments, please let me know.
Regards,
Starfish1
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg
Addition of Nicor Bio-Warship and Dromias Bio-Cruiser
Addition of the Mirror Universe Science Vessel Retrofit (Mirror Nova)
Addition of Patrol Escort Refit (Tempest)
Update to availability of Fleet Patrol Escort
Addition of the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit
Addition of Flanking Bonus icon to Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider
Corrected omission of Breen Bridge from the Chel Grett
Any issues or amendments, please let me know.
Regards,
Starfish1
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg
Quick Update:
Included Risian Luxury Cruiser
Any issues or amendments, please post below.
Regards,
Starfish1
Edit: Ignore that it's working fine now, Problem with firefox. Looks great, keep up the good work!
Your chart shows 2 Science, 5 Tactical, 2 Engineering. Shouldn't that be 3 Engineering?
Thanks for all the hard work you have put into this project.
I believe it's as the chart shows it.
It's the Fleet version that has the additional engineering slot, not the VA Tempest variant.
Just saw that and jumped to the wrong conclusion.
And thanks again for the Chart.
No worries, and you're welcome.
Hope you find it useful.
I'll add the Risian Cruiser to the other two charts in due course.
Either way, thanks for the update.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Don't forget the other 2 threads/charts:
Romulan vessels
KDF vessels
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg
Xindi Lock Box Update:
Added Xindi-Aquatic Narcine Dreadnought Carrier
Added Xindi-Reptilian Contortrix Escort
Added Mirror Universe Escort Retrofit
Updated console images for the Risian vessels
Hope you find the new updates useful.
Any issues or amendments, please post below, and I'll pick them up for the next update.
Regards,
Starfish1
If only... But since they never even helped Spidermitch back then (he had to actually ask people to send him pics of new ships, as the ones in released blogs were crappy), it's pretty unlikely they'll ever acknowledge the utility of Starfish1's charts.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
And why would they? It's a fan's effort and a company doesn't need to invest itself into everyone of these, otherwise it would lose it's indepence.
Would it be hard to send pics and stats for the chart maker to update the chart more easily? Possibly point out mistakes?
PWE sure 'doesn't need to invest itself', but it'd be a nice change of pace.
Thing is, there should be a chart like these available done by Cryptic/PWE in the first place, along with much more information for players. Many in game descriptions are wrong, C-store descriptions wrong, etc. These charts try to offer to players actual values they may not find elsewhere.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
http://starfish1.co.uk/chart1.jpg
Addition of the Heavy Cruiser Refit (Constellation Class)
Update to the BOFF layout of the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Correction of the inertia values of the Fleet and Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Addition of T5-U icons to appropriate ships
Addition of text to indicate rank up ship choices
Hope you find the new updates useful.
Any issues or amendments, please post below, and I'll pick them up for the next update.
Regards,
Starfish1
But you're quickly running out of space for all the new additions on the upper bar. First cruiser commands and flanking, then secondary deflectors and now the 'Update to near Tier 6'.
Btw, do you intend to make a new list with all the Tier 6 and Tier 5-U (Tier 5 Fleet-U) ships or try to cram it in the existing chart?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Will I? Won't I? Is it now time to call it a day?
I'm still undecided, but this Friday the KDF and Rom charts will have the same icons that I've given this Fed one, so that's a start, but after that, I'm going to look into adding more T5-U info.
There is already data flowing in about the extra console slots and Mastery Passive Abilities, but it sounds as though they are still in flux from reading what gorngonzolla said in the official thread.
I've been scratching my head for over a week on how I'm going to fit it all in and I think I've decided to play around with the layout and try to cram it in rather than duplicate everything. I'm giving myself a couple of weeks to try and come up with something I can live with that doesn't look too messy.
Wish me luck.
Good luck!
It definitely is all in flux now.
I wouln't put anything definitive in your layout mockups, just try to find space for any given 4 passive abilities and a bonus console the upgradeable ships may end up with.
Sadly I'm locked out of Tribble as a Silver and so I'm even less informed than usual before a larger update.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
But its still very well done.
For example. If you look at the Fleet battle cruiser on the t4 starbase, you can add a 2nd sci console with a green u icon behind it or put the second console in a green box. Then with the stats for the t5-u numbers for hull etc you can write the changed numbers in green beside the regular ones. then lower the whole thing downs for t6 ships over it.
It would be hard to add a t5u section as it would still require starbase teirs, va and ra ships duplicated. Only one new section for t6 should be added.
Thanks for that, your input is really appreciated. I was thinking along similar lines myself and I've pretty much settled on the final solution after playing around with the layout over a number of days.
That green plus sign will appear as the extra console slot with the others, the passives will be listed below them and prefixed with the same green plus and because I won't know what the start and end figures will be for the hull, I've got a new icon which says Scaleable Hull in an up arrow, again with the green plus. If enough people give me the new hull scales, or Cryptic publishes them all I will see how I can fit them in there.
Many thanks again.
From what I've seen, the hull bonus on the upgraded ships is 15% at level 50 up to 1/3 (33.33333%) at level 60.
For example: C-store Tier 5 Ar'kif goes from 31,500 up to 42,000 at level 60. Tier 5 C-Store Galaxy Dreadnought from 40k to 53,333.33 (as displayed).
So far I haven't found exceptions to that 'rule'.
Also, just a reminder:
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Like you, I missed it: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1356771&highlight=starfish1&page=2
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!