Erm, I'd like to throw in my vote against swimwear costumes as well, actually. I won't fault some of those designs for creativity, I guess, but I can't help but feel that it really isn't appropriate to have people wandering around military installations (un)dressed like that.
Okay, yes, there are already plenty of revealing outfits to throw onto Federation characters as it is, but a plunging neckline is something I can see someone getting away with (in fiction). Wearing a swimsuit to your meeting with Admiral Quinn? Not so much...
... then again, I'm one of those strange people who plays a fully-clothed Orion, so...
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-- Winston Churchill
I'm inclined to agree with miri2. (FYI: I also have a fully-clothed female Orion character.)
A culture/species should realize that what is okay to wear on their homeworld, on Risa, and in the privacy of their quarters quite likely isn't what they would wear at an official conference and in a warzone ... unless they plan to surf instead of fight, that is. I don't recall ever seeing in any of the ST series (TOS, TNG, DS9, ST:V, ST:E) off-duty uniforms worn while a character was on-duty ... except when an emergency happened while a character was off-duty. (For what seem to me to be obvious reasons, I'm excluding Spock on the Genesis planet in "STIII", Orion slave girls in TOS, and Deanna Troi's mother in TNG.) And even then, I think that they would've tried to change back into their on-duty uniform before reporting. Those that serve on starships in the ST universe, at Starfleet and Klingon (and no doubt also Romulan) Academies, and as ground personnel are all highly trained and thus wouldn't be frivolous when it comes to both their appearance while so employed.
Thing is, while the KDF has Orions (only) that do the bathing suit thing, the Feds can sure simulate a bikini top on all their ladies with the Fed Mirror Universe top... Heck, I think a couple of the Risans use that shirt...
Yeah, you can't get the bottom, but then again, with the plethora of mini-skirts... :P
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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First off I would pay 1500 zen to have an orion in star fleet.
Any way, with them having such a lax uniform code that you can wear over a dozen variations of the regular uniform. Including whether it is open at the neck or not. Multiple old uniforms, Several informal uniforms. (Looking at you racing and section 31) As well as formal dresses/tuxedos, and 'mercenary' wear. How can Starfleet demand not wearing swimwear to see Admiral Quinn?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Ok, look... not all species are as prudish about covering up their bodies as everyone else.
The Orion females don't wear bikinis. They wear their uniform.
They think nothing more about their skin being visible as humans think about their face being visible.
Now, the UFP enforcing a dress code, fine. The UFP can have whatever regulations they want, for themselves, but other cultures are still going to stick to their own cultural norms.
Anyways... don't call the Orion uniform a bikini... it is insulting to Orions when you trash talk their uniform.
Any way, with them having such a lax uniform code that you can wear over a dozen variations of the regular uniform. Including whether it is open at the neck or not. Multiple old uniforms, Several informal uniforms. (Looking at you racing and section 31) As well as formal dresses/tuxedos, and 'mercenary' wear. How can Starfleet demand not wearing swimwear to see Admiral Quinn?
So, one thing those dozens of uniform options have in common is that they are variations on Starfleet uniforms. Yes, the game allows players a wide variety of uniforms to choose from so that players have an easier time making their character look like an individual. Yes, this is, in fact, the opposite intention of a uniform, but this is a concession to gameplay.
The "mercenary" and formal dress costumes, yes, are off-duty wear. But they're all a far cry from swimwear.
Ultimately, it comes down to this: If you're in a navy, and your superior officer sends you a message while you're off-duty on shore saying "get to my station now," you might be excused if you rushed to his station wearing your civies to save some time.
He'd probably throw a fit, though, if you rushed into his office wearing a speedo and swim goggles.*
I think the same principle can be seen to apply here.
* Assuming, as Star Trek seems to, a society operating more or less within the parameters of "Western" Earther values.
True success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.
-- Winston Churchill
So, one thing those dozens of uniform options have in common is that they are variations on Starfleet uniforms. Yes, the game allows players a wide variety of uniforms to choose from so that players have an easier time making their character look like an individual. Yes, this is, in fact, the opposite intention of a uniform, but this is a concession to gameplay.
The "mercenary" and formal dress costumes, yes, are off-duty wear. But they're all a far cry from swimwear.
Ultimately, it comes down to this: If you're in a navy, and your superior officer sends you a message while you're off-duty on shore saying "get to my station now," you might be excused if you rushed to his station wearing your civies to save some time.
He'd probably throw a fit, though, if you rushed into his office wearing a speedo and swim goggles.*
I think the same principle can be seen to apply here.
* Assuming, as Star Trek seems to, a society operating more or less within the parameters of "Western" Earther values.
Miri2 makes a good point.
Yeah theres nothing wrong with having swimwear in game, but that's not the issue the problem comes in with thinking that they are suited for or appropriate for military applications, this is not: The Federations Next Top model, or: Dancing With The Starfleet Captains.
If you look at it from a military perspective, if you showed up to basic training in swimwear and refused to put on the uniform of whatever country you support you would be kicked out the same day. And if you went out into battle today in swimwear sure you might look cool, but you'd be coming back home in smaller pieces without a pulse.
So, one thing those dozens of uniform options have in common is that they are variations on Starfleet uniforms. Yes, the game allows players a wide variety of uniforms to choose from so that players have an easier time making their character look like an individual. Yes, this is, in fact, the opposite intention of a uniform, but this is a concession to gameplay.
The "mercenary" and formal dress costumes, yes, are off-duty wear. But they're all a far cry from swimwear.
Ultimately, it comes down to this: If you're in a navy, and your superior officer sends you a message while you're off-duty on shore saying "get to my station now," you might be excused if you rushed to his station wearing your civies to save some time.
He'd probably throw a fit, though, if you rushed into his office wearing a speedo and swim goggles.*
I think the same principle can be seen to apply here.
* Assuming, as Star Trek seems to, a society operating more or less within the parameters of "Western" Earther values.
Considering the allowed "mirror universe" bared midrift uniforms and the female formal dress. Oh and dressing in religious robes. If you got called to a command center so fast you could not change at all before hand, then they are going to accept a speedo or bikini.
(Though a towel wrap would be a good thing to include in such a costume Cryptic.)
Again, it is they relaxed the uniform code to ludicrous levels already. Saying we are drawing a line at that point is a little odd.
Also I am with many that would like to see, the mercenary set on the uniform tab. Just so the belts and the like can be used.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Considering the allowed "mirror universe" bared midrift uniforms and the female formal dress. Oh and dressing in religious robes. If you got called to a command center so fast you could not change at all before hand, then they are going to accept a speedo or bikini.
(Though a towel wrap would be a good thing to include in such a costume Cryptic.)
Again, it is they relaxed the uniform code to ludicrous levels already. Saying we are drawing a line at that point is a little odd.
Also I am with many that would like to see, the mercenary set on the uniform tab. Just so the belts and the like can be used.
I also like this idea. I'm puzzled as to why they're offduty myself.
Considering the allowed "mirror universe" bared midrift uniforms and the female formal dress. Oh and dressing in religious robes. If you got called to a command center so fast you could not change at all before hand, then they are going to accept a speedo or bikini.
(Though a towel wrap would be a good thing to include in such a costume Cryptic.)
Again, it is they relaxed the uniform code to ludicrous levels already. Saying we are drawing a line at that point is a little odd.
Also I am with many that would like to see, the mercenary set on the uniform tab. Just so the belts and the like can be used.
The towel wrap is there. Its called a TOS Nurse Skirt. Sadly it is only a female variant...
She's an NPC... they have no rules! Even her parents said so!
(Seriously, they couldn't make the bikinis to fit the player character models this time, so only the NPCs could have bikinis. It's likely next summer we will have them.)
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And watch what happens. It'll be like SWTOR after they added "adaptive armor", where they had Jedi running around in Leia's slave outfit and soldiers relying on their well-toned abs for chest protection.
If they add bikinis, they should give them negative-number protection values since they're worse than TNG pajamas in anything besides Earth-tropical atmospheric conditions.
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And watch what happens. It'll be like SWTOR after they added "adaptive armor", where they had Jedi running around in Leia's slave outfit and soldiers relying on their well-toned abs for chest protection.
If they add bikinis, they should give them negative-number protection values since they're worse than TNG pajamas in anything besides Earth-tropical atmospheric conditions.
Bad comparison. For every jedi in fetish-wear you had three complaining that the clothing system was nuts. Picking and choosing armour based on stats and not on appearance.
That said, clothing in STO does nothing but set an appearance. You buy armour to stop damage and wear that over your clothes.
Aaand I just figured out how they will get swimwear into the next summer event. Introduce a swimming event to showcase the new swimming feature. Bikinis are the off duty reward. .
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
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Okay, yes, there are already plenty of revealing outfits to throw onto Federation characters as it is, but a plunging neckline is something I can see someone getting away with (in fiction). Wearing a swimsuit to your meeting with Admiral Quinn? Not so much...
... then again, I'm one of those strange people who plays a fully-clothed Orion, so...
-- Winston Churchill
A culture/species should realize that what is okay to wear on their homeworld, on Risa, and in the privacy of their quarters quite likely isn't what they would wear at an official conference and in a warzone ... unless they plan to surf instead of fight, that is. I don't recall ever seeing in any of the ST series (TOS, TNG, DS9, ST:V, ST:E) off-duty uniforms worn while a character was on-duty ... except when an emergency happened while a character was off-duty. (For what seem to me to be obvious reasons, I'm excluding Spock on the Genesis planet in "STIII", Orion slave girls in TOS, and Deanna Troi's mother in TNG.) And even then, I think that they would've tried to change back into their on-duty uniform before reporting. Those that serve on starships in the ST universe, at Starfleet and Klingon (and no doubt also Romulan) Academies, and as ground personnel are all highly trained and thus wouldn't be frivolous when it comes to both their appearance while so employed.
Yeah, you can't get the bottom, but then again, with the plethora of mini-skirts... :P
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Any way, with them having such a lax uniform code that you can wear over a dozen variations of the regular uniform. Including whether it is open at the neck or not. Multiple old uniforms, Several informal uniforms. (Looking at you racing and section 31) As well as formal dresses/tuxedos, and 'mercenary' wear. How can Starfleet demand not wearing swimwear to see Admiral Quinn?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
The Orion females don't wear bikinis. They wear their uniform.
They think nothing more about their skin being visible as humans think about their face being visible.
Now, the UFP enforcing a dress code, fine. The UFP can have whatever regulations they want, for themselves, but other cultures are still going to stick to their own cultural norms.
Anyways... don't call the Orion uniform a bikini... it is insulting to Orions when you trash talk their uniform.
-- Smoov
The "mercenary" and formal dress costumes, yes, are off-duty wear. But they're all a far cry from swimwear.
Ultimately, it comes down to this: If you're in a navy, and your superior officer sends you a message while you're off-duty on shore saying "get to my station now," you might be excused if you rushed to his station wearing your civies to save some time.
He'd probably throw a fit, though, if you rushed into his office wearing a speedo and swim goggles.*
I think the same principle can be seen to apply here.
* Assuming, as Star Trek seems to, a society operating more or less within the parameters of "Western" Earther values.
-- Winston Churchill
Miri2 makes a good point.
Yeah theres nothing wrong with having swimwear in game, but that's not the issue the problem comes in with thinking that they are suited for or appropriate for military applications, this is not: The Federations Next Top model, or: Dancing With The Starfleet Captains.
If you look at it from a military perspective, if you showed up to basic training in swimwear and refused to put on the uniform of whatever country you support you would be kicked out the same day. And if you went out into battle today in swimwear sure you might look cool, but you'd be coming back home in smaller pieces without a pulse.
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Considering the allowed "mirror universe" bared midrift uniforms and the female formal dress. Oh and dressing in religious robes. If you got called to a command center so fast you could not change at all before hand, then they are going to accept a speedo or bikini.
(Though a towel wrap would be a good thing to include in such a costume Cryptic.)
Again, it is they relaxed the uniform code to ludicrous levels already. Saying we are drawing a line at that point is a little odd.
Also I am with many that would like to see, the mercenary set on the uniform tab. Just so the belts and the like can be used.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
My character Tsin'xing
In creating this game, did you happen to notice how most women in TOS ended up dressing? And you're worried about bikinis?
Prudes...
The towel wrap is there. Its called a TOS Nurse Skirt. Sadly it is only a female variant...
She's an NPC... they have no rules! Even her parents said so!
(Seriously, they couldn't make the bikinis to fit the player character models this time, so only the NPCs could have bikinis. It's likely next summer we will have them.)
SCE ADVISORY NOTICE: Improper Impulse Engine maintenance can result in REAR THRUSTER LEAKAGE. ALWAYS have your work inspected by another qualified officer.
If they add bikinis, they should give them negative-number protection values since they're worse than TNG pajamas in anything besides Earth-tropical atmospheric conditions.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Bad comparison. For every jedi in fetish-wear you had three complaining that the clothing system was nuts. Picking and choosing armour based on stats and not on appearance.
That said, clothing in STO does nothing but set an appearance. You buy armour to stop damage and wear that over your clothes.
Aaand I just figured out how they will get swimwear into the next summer event. Introduce a swimming event to showcase the new swimming feature. Bikinis are the off duty reward. .
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.