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Capt. Worf Star Trek TV series is 'not dead yet'

hawkwing43hawkwing43 Member Posts: 1,701 Arc User
edited August 2013 in Ten Forward
Ok I am sure you heard about this project, the one Michael Dorn is trying to get off the launch pad. I wish him all the luck on this one. You can read more at the following links:

Hmmmmm I wonder if this would be a great Netflix series?

http://www.blastr.com/2013-8-20/michael-dorn-reveals-his-capt-worf-star-trek-tv-series-not-dead-yet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryan-young/wil-wheaton-and-michael-d_b_3784659.html
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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,229 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Worf or Klingons, however I find that the title Star Trek: Captain Worf is suggesting it will only be centred around just Worf leaving little or no room for other character development. Of course there is going to be other character interaction, but Worf this Worf that would be over kill and like Enterprise be cancelled before it's time.
  • mjarbarmjarbar Member Posts: 2,084 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    However a series centred around a Klingon ship would be good. Based around the time between Enterprise and TOS would be when the Empire was at war with the Romulans and hostile to the Feds.

    On top of that internal strife and room for encountering the unknown means that there would be a wide scope for storylines.
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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,229 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    mjarbar wrote: »
    However a series centred around a Klingon ship would be good. Based around the time between Enterprise and TOS would be when the Empire was at war with the Romulans and hostile to the Feds.

    On top of that internal strife and room for encountering the unknown means that there would be a wide scope for storylines.

    Not centring around a ship or faction, BUT Klingon / Federation wide would be better. Could have a title like Star Trek: Galactic Wars. Could have episodes where one event is played out from the perspectives of both Klingon and Fed

    The years between Archer and Kirk need to be covered, bit like the 20 odd so years between Luke and Leia in Star Wars being born
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    A new series starring Worf, eh?

    Better than seeing him loitering around First City all day IMO.
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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,229 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    A new series starring Worf, eh?

    Better than seeing him loitering around First City all day IMO.

    Can't you get arrested for loitering lol
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    eazzie wrote: »
    Can't you get arrested for loitering lol
    Apparently in First City you can stand around for years at a time and nobody will even notice...
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    eazzie wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Worf or Klingons, however I find that the title Star Trek: Captain Worf is suggesting it will only be centred around just Worf leaving little or no room for other character development. Of course there is going to be other character interaction, but Worf this Worf that would be over kill and like Enterprise be cancelled before it's time.

    That isn't the title the show would carry, but calling it Star Trek: Ship Name doesn't exactly convey the concept.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Michael Dorn is 60 years old. He would have been killed by a younger Klingon for his command a long time ago - 60 human is like 120 in Klingon years. :)
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Michael Dorn is 60 years old. He would have been killed by a younger Klingon for his command a long time ago - 60 human is like 120 in Klingon years. :)

    Klingons live a long time. Kor, Kang, and Koloth were all veterans from the war with the Federation a hundred years before DS9, and aside from Kor's brain going a little weird near the end, all three were still competent warriors and leaders. Kor was still successful in his last battle even if he did keep forgetting which war he was fighting.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    hevach wrote: »
    Klingons live a long time. Kor, Kang, and Koloth were all veterans from the war with the Federation a hundred years before DS9, and aside from Kor's brain going a little weird near the end, all three were still competent warriors and leaders. Kor was still successful in his last battle even if he did keep forgetting which war he was fighting.
    I'm well aware that Klingons live an average of 150 years. My point was that Michael is getting older. The rigors of playing an active, relatively young Klingon day in and day out for 9 months a year would put a lot of wear and tear on his body. I really don't see Worf being the Picard type: sit in the chair and give big dramatic speeches.
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  • linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    hawkwing43 wrote: »
    Ok I am sure you heard about this project, the one Michael Dorn is trying to get off the launch pad. I wish him all the luck on this one. You can read more at the following links:

    Hmmmmm I wonder if this would be a great Netflix series?

    http://www.blastr.com/2013-8-20/michael-dorn-reveals-his-capt-worf-star-trek-tv-series-not-dead-yet

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryan-young/wil-wheaton-and-michael-d_b_3784659.html
    Worf is an overly cooked character.

    "Star Trek: TNG" and "Star Trek: DS9" covered all of Worf's back, middle, and forward history.

    We do not need to see Worf in a third series.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I'm well aware that Klingons live an average of 150 years. My point was that Michael is getting older. The rigors of playing an active, relatively young Klingon day in and day out for 9 months a year would put a lot of wear and tear on his body. I really don't see Worf being the Picard type: sit in the chair and give big dramatic speeches.

    Really? I think that would be awesome.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    centersolace wrote: »
    Really? I think that would be awesome.
    I think it would be completely out of character - as he's always portrayed as attack first, talk second.

    Getting what some small fraction of players thinks sounds cool over what's in character or canon is how STO got where it's at right now. :)
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I think it would be completely out of character - as he's always portrayed as attack first, talk second.

    Getting what some small fraction of players thinks sounds cool over what's in character or canon is how STO got where it's at right now. :)

    I don't think it would be completely out of character. He could always do the speech after he hands someone their left butt cheek. :D
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    There's an entire genre of special effects and set design specifically for letting aging action stars look like they're doing awesome things without actually breaking their hips.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    hawkwing43 wrote: »
    Ok I am sure you heard about this project, the one Michael Dorn is trying to get off the launch pad. I wish him all the luck on this one. You can read more at the following links:

    Hmmmmm I wonder if this would be a great Netflix series?

    http://www.blastr.com/2013-8-20/michael-dorn-reveals-his-capt-worf-star-trek-tv-series-not-dead-yet

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryan-young/wil-wheaton-and-michael-d_b_3784659.html

    Um, it's dead until it's been greenlit for production and with CBS holding off on new 'prime universe' Star Trek stuff on TV until Paramount's current JJverse feature film series has concluded (and no signs of that given the financial success of the latest film; the fact all the actors signed a three feature deal; and there's now talk of trying to extend that; sorry, but I doubt i'll get greenlit for production.

    (Remember george Takei was campaigning for a Captain Sulu/U.S.S. Excelsior series for nearly a decade that culminated in STVI and the VOY episode "Flashback" <--- Which Takei tried o promote as a backdoor pilot, which went nowhere.)

    Who knows what'll happen 10 years down the line, but at this point and time, i don't see gthis getting any sort of real production approval at this time.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Sisko put a reprimand on Worf's record which he (Sisko) said would almost certainly mean he (Worf) would never be given command of a starship...
  • connortreeves67connortreeves67 Member Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Personally if i saw Worf again in a prime universe trek feature, on either tv or film I would love to see him play an Admiral. He got denied alot during his time on the enterprise would be nice to see him deny some people for a change. :D
  • drowrulesupremedrowrulesupreme Member Posts: 692 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Star Trek : Bird of Prey

    A show about the trials of Ambassador Worf's son Alexander/K'mtar as he strives to be the warrior his father was (and still is?) onboard a Klingon BoP assigned to deep space/patrolling the Cardassian Protectorates. Plenty of scope for exploration (Klingon style), skirmishes, stops at DS9 and a good dose of "what it means to BE Klingon".
    It gives us the "human" aspect as Alexander is half-human and doesn't think or act like a full-blood Klingon. Maybe throw in a human raised by Klingons who is more Klingon than Alexander as a counter and you can have fun watching the "alien" be more human than a "human".
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    connortreeves67 wrote: »
    Personally if i saw Worf again in a prime universe trek feature, on either tv or film I would love to see him play an Admiral. He got denied alot during his time on the enterprise would be nice to see him deny some people for a change. :D

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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited August 2013
    marcusdkane wrote: »
    Sisko put a reprimand on Worf's record which he (Sisko) said would almost certainly mean he (Worf) would never be given command of a starship...

    True, but if I remember correctly, that was before Worf killed Gowron, saving the war for all the good guys by restoring the Klingons to fighting strength, appointing his BFF Martok as Chancellor (buying substantial influence to bring to bear), led the attack on a vital Dominion shipyard, killed the top Dominion Vorta (which only caused a delay thanks to cloning but massive points for the effort), captained the Defiant in the desperate attempt to stop the Borg at Earth, and served as Federation Ambassador to Quo'nos (reinforcing Martok's influence). All of which were unknown to Sisko at the time he made that statement.
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    steamwright wrote: »
    True, but if I remember correctly, that was before Worf killed Gowron, saving the war for all the good guys by restoring the Klingons to fighting strength, appointing his BFF Martok as Chancellor (buying substantial influence to bring to bear), led the attack on a vital Dominion shipyard, killed the top Dominion Vorta (which only caused a delay thanks to cloning but massive points for the effort), captained the Defiant in the desperate attempt to stop the Borg at Earth, and served as Federation Ambassador to Quo'nos (reinforcing Martok's influence). All of which were unknown to Sisko at the time he made that statement.

    That is of course true, but, it wasn't just a reprimand for a disciplinary infraction such as brawling in Quark's or drunk on duty, but for a very specific lapse in judgement which was incompatible with command. It was essentially like failing the bridge officer's test (which he was never shown to have taken, as his rank was never elevated to Commander) and equally, as much as I love Worf (in a totally non-homo way :D ) and think he's a badass, he has never shown any kind of development of personal moral character, but instead, always shows himself as rather lacking in that area... (initially fobbing Alexander off on his foster-parents, his behaviour towards Ezri Dax etc) I simply don't believe that Worf's is capable of having that 'moment of clarity' which would enable him to grow as a person and be capable of making that kind of decision again in a way which would enable him to 'pass the test'. By contrast, by the time of the Dominion war, Nog had proven beyond doubt that he was no longer the scheming punk he was in Emissary, but had grown into the model of a Starfleet officer. Worf, on the other hand, was exactly the same as when he objected to commanding the saucer section in Encounter at Farpoint... Oh sure, Worf could probably order an underling to their death, but a close friend or family member, no chance -- he just doesn't have the stones for it. IMHO, he would never be fully suitable for a command situation as he doesn't have the capacity within him to make the necessary emotional steps... :o
  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I was just coming over here to see if there was a thread about this yet. :cool:

    IMO, I think it's a cool idea for a television series. For no other reason than it's outside the box. Something that I think Enterprise thought they were doing when it was new. But failed horribly. For the first time we would have Star Trek without the expansion of the Federation as integral to the core plot. Unless, of course, we get to watch the Empire fold into the Federation in it's future.

    That said, I was really in favor of Star Trek: Excelsior, too. I wanted a Captain Sulu television series. But that never went anywhere. Despite some loud fan support for the concept.
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  • hawkwing43hawkwing43 Member Posts: 1,701 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    We can still get a Capt. Sulu TV series, but you have to change it a little. You can still have Sulu from the TOS play a role in in the series, just make him an Admiral. Then you can open the door for his kid to be the Captain of the Excelsior. So you still would have a Capt. Sulu in command of that ship. If they go in this direction, I think people would watch it. Plus this would be a gap filler in Trek timelines.

    Doesn't this period happen around the Klingon and Romulan war time?
  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,229 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    a gap filler in Trek timelines.


    A between Archer / Kirk tv series is needed I think, again with Kirk / Picard. They need to be treated alot better than Enterprise was though.

    I wonder, Do you think in about 20 years or so there will be a Voyager TNG

    Actually an idea that may work would be a series set onboard a Wells and could be called Star Trek: Temporal Incursions. With technology as it is right now there would be scope to interact with all past ST series, just like the DS9 episode Trials and Tribbleations
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I would love to see a show about Klingon/Federation integration. :D
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  • corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    This. I have no objection at all to a new series, even one more Klingon centric, however I don't think ST should EVER center on a person. The highest level of focus it should have is ship level.
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  • kain9primekain9prime Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    IMO, a mini-series would probably be better. Start off with The Klingons and a few (or more) 2 hour movies, take a break, then do some more with either the same characters or new ones.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kain9prime wrote: »
    IMO, a mini-series would probably be better. Start off with The Klingons and a few (or more) 2 hour movies, take a break, then do some more with either the same characters or new ones.
    The problem is that the set features: ship interiors, bridge, costumes, weapons, etc are a huge part of any show's initial budget. Those costs are usually displaced over a 13-24 episode season - and hopefully several additional seasons as well. It's hard to recoup those costs on 2 hour TV movies.

    For example, the first season of Defiance was budgeted for $40 million, but it's estimated that nearly half the original cost was set design for the city, set interiors, vehicles, weapons, makeup and clothing for all the species, etc. Season 2 of Defiance is coming it at around $25 million - an average of $2 million per episode - because most of the set costs are nonexistent for season 2.

    For Trek to work on TV they need to get enough episodes out of the sets per season to justify their costs.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The problem is that the set features: ship interiors, bridge, costumes, weapons, etc are a huge part of any show's initial budget. Those costs are usually displaced over a 13-24 episode season - and hopefully several additional seasons as well. It's hard to recoup those costs on 2 hour TV movies.

    For example, the first season of Defiance was budgeted for $40 million, but it's estimated that nearly half the original cost was set design for the city, set interiors, vehicles, weapons, makeup and clothing for all the species, etc. Season 2 of Defiance is coming it at around $25 million - an average of $2 million per episode - because most of the set costs are nonexistent for season 2.

    For Trek to work on TV they need to get enough episodes out of the sets per season to justify their costs.

    Holy balls I wish I had that kind of money.
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