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Nice D'Deridex.............now lets corectly scale Terok Nor (DS9)
doctorfunke1
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So, those of you at Cryptic have successfully made the Romulan faction. Now its time to get down to brass tax, correctly scaling all ships and facilities. The D'Deridex is a perfect example of Cryptic making a sound decision, "lets get players to play as romulan." but wait!!! Cryptic's D'deridex model way waaaaayyyy too small....WHAT TO DO?
Make an accurate model.
Deep Space 9....in game.....is ruffly 10 times the size it should be.
It shouldn't matter whether the place is "supposed" to be big. IT IS! In comparison to a galaxy class starship it still is. Even without the Wayne Zalinsky overall.
You could still have spawns for players near it, just make it the way it should be. The way we last saw it, Ciroc Lofton and Nana Visitor on the promenade.
If you saw any of the last 42 episodes of DS9, you know what I mean.
I do believe that Im the minority, and that Cryptic cant affprd a person to be able to correctly portray the vehicles and stations the way the model builder inteded them to be seen as.
I am a model builder, with Star Trek being my only subject. It is very difficult for me to see these beautiful ships be downgraded so much, they dont even look correct.
ALLOW ME TO GUESS....THE PEOPLE YOU HIRED DONT KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
THEN YOU NEED TO HIRE ME.
Make an accurate model.
Deep Space 9....in game.....is ruffly 10 times the size it should be.
It shouldn't matter whether the place is "supposed" to be big. IT IS! In comparison to a galaxy class starship it still is. Even without the Wayne Zalinsky overall.
You could still have spawns for players near it, just make it the way it should be. The way we last saw it, Ciroc Lofton and Nana Visitor on the promenade.
If you saw any of the last 42 episodes of DS9, you know what I mean.
I do believe that Im the minority, and that Cryptic cant affprd a person to be able to correctly portray the vehicles and stations the way the model builder inteded them to be seen as.
I am a model builder, with Star Trek being my only subject. It is very difficult for me to see these beautiful ships be downgraded so much, they dont even look correct.
ALLOW ME TO GUESS....THE PEOPLE YOU HIRED DONT KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
THEN YOU NEED TO HIRE ME.
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DS9 is larger than it supposed to be, because when they had it to scale during Beta, people complained it was too small. (Not to mention the player traffic factor).
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Also the Dev's are DS9 fans in fact people in the forums love to complain how Cryptic has a biased towards DS9 than the other shows.
whether you agree with that or not, its not being done because they are lazy or cant be bothered to check the size. its a design choice.
even the show changed its sizing from time to time. not every ship looked its true size every single time. things changed sizes to look right for the moment.
they know exactly what you are talking about, but shouting at them is not going to want to make them hire you. Even if they did, you would be forced to make the ships the size the team in general agree on.
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Seriously, let's cut the size of that monstrous Donatra ship in half first; then we'll talk.
I know there are girls playing this game, can some of you tell these guys size does not matter;)
Translation : Everything is fine :P
Good work. Leave this here and lock the thread IMHO.
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I think that DS9 was too small even on TV, compared to Earth Space Dock it's tiny and if you consider that only the inner core is being inhabited, and the outer rings are just cargo holds, the station is tiny.
Even if the series cast states how much of a monstrosity this station is supposed to be.
I think DS9 is another example of Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale.
This counts for the guy who designed DS9 for the according TV series in the first place.
In my opinion the original Stations should have been something between 3-10 times of the original size to be being considered as huge or monstrosity.
Not to impressed with the luck looks to Shiney I prefer the dark foreboding look of Terok Nor
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Please, tell me more about this brass tax you speak of and how it has anything to do with STO and your competence?
SCOTUS Judges can leave of their own accord for various reasons too.
I'd hope it's because Cryptic decided we need more (Klingon) ships, and more artists to make them look good versus anyone leaving.
Or maybe Cryptic has decided that the ship artists are getting old, and need to have younger ship artists train under them?
You lost my vote in the first sentence op, the term is Brass Tacks, not Brass Tax.
And the models in game are fine, get over your trek ocd.
If you think you can do better or know better than the developers, great! Prove your skills by applying for one of their vacancies. It's what I've done!
But yeah if people think they can "do it right" then by all means, hit up that link Taco man posted. We'll see what happens.
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Earth Spacedock is the central hub for a massive military/diplomatic/scientific organization that spans half the known galaxy. As such, it's huge.
Terok Nor was designed to be an ore refinery staffed largely by slave labour. It's relative small size seems right to me. It has docking ports for six large ships and at least six more smaller vessels, massive cargo space, and relatively small livable space - enough for the slaves and their Cardassian overseers.
Edit: Regarding the in-game size of Deep Space Nine, I'm going to have to side with the devs on this one. As much as a part of me wants to see it sized "properly," it's proper size is closer to the one seen in Sector Space. Once you got 50 player ships clustered around it, it'd be completely invisible.
the scimitar is like 25% to large though. for reference
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/613898718240097817/DB4977CBE26E1E76201F71743AABC37CD6EBEBDA/
the sovereign is JUST above my wing, at the same elevation as my hull section.
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/8/8f/Nemesis_comparison.jpg
in this picture, the sovereign's saucer is wider then the scimitar's hull at the nose, its not even close in game. also, not counting the warp engines, the soverign is longer then the hull section on the scimitar, its clearly not in game, about even.
ya its supposed to be big, but it is way oversized. it will still be huge, and a bit more manageable to fly, if it was properly shrunk just a bit.
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Oh please no!
But as for scale, yeah it's my biggest issue with the game.
I still think the Defiant is too big.
That being said, I think a big problem is that the camera is to far away from the ships, which makes the scales seem off. I really wish they had gone through with your idea a while back about sticking the camera closer.
I was right here. The Scimitar is overly huge. Should be about 900 meters long.
http://postimg.org/image/6dyimd2mv/
No wonder it's been annoying me so much...
EDIT: And possibly my last sentence on this Scimitar topic: I'll never understand why an already huge ship was scaled up in a game that already has traffic jams and where another large ship got scaled down because of size (Jem dreadnought).
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I understand that, but to me, the Defiant always felt more natural at it's smallest depiction (About 110-120 meters or so) The one in game is closer to 160. It feels way too big.