by the time a player would be eligible to claim the veteran ship he would already have a respectable collection of T5.5/lockbox ships. so there is no reason to use it for him except for vanity.
any lockbox ship is better, any 3-pack ship is better, any fleet ship is better. the hell even steam runner is better.
for being a "veteran" ship its actually useless for veterans.
If by 'veteran ship' you meant a 'better than everything else in game, just because I've been playing for a while' ship, yeah, you're not getting that. :P And rightly so.
If by 'veteran ship' you meant a 'better than everything else in game, just because I've been playing for a while' ship, yeah, you're not getting that. :P And rightly so.
I definitely agree to this. The time of "I paid more money for this game so i should be pampered like a spoiled twerp" is over.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
If by 'veteran ship' you meant a 'better than everything else in game, just because I've been playing for a while' ship, yeah, you're not getting that. :P And rightly so.
well for the first don't put your words in my mouth and don't toy with them afterwards. you know, there are people who can think, so make your own thoughts which impression leaves behind you. respect is easy to loose and hard to obtain.
for the second read my post and think 2 minutes before writing something. and if you still want to write - then with arguments on the topic, not on the persons.
for the third in case you don't understand clear language i repeat it again:
for being a "veteran" ship its actually useless for veterans.
by the time a player would be eligible to claim the veteran ship he would already have a respectable collection of T5.5/lockbox ships. so there is no reason to use it for him except for vanity.
any lockbox ship is better, any 3-pack ship is better, any fleet ship is better. the hell even steam runner is better.
for being a "veteran" ship its actually useless for veterans.
also keep in mind that the stats of the ship came from the time when 9 consoles and the non-fleet stats were the top notch.
BUT later on many ships were updated to be on the par with 10 consoles and fleet stats. unlike the veteran ship....
it simply feels like veteran ships were left over and missed the overall progress of the game.
You're assuming all veterans accumulate and spend those kinds of resources. I assure you, had I gotten a LTS during that sale. . .I wouldn't have any more or less in the way of 'elite' ships than I have right now. I have no lockbox ships outside of the dirt-cheap Mirror ones, and I have two Fleet ships that took a long time for me to grind EC/Zen for.
In my eyes, the Veteran ship would still be valid. It's faster than most other ships in its weight class, has the shield modifier of a C-store escort (.9 modifier), and is in overall a decent ship. It's not a super-duper overpowered lockbox ship, and it's not quite the match of a Fleet ship of similar size/stats. It's not supposed to be.
Maybe Cryptic will release a Fleet version of the ship available only to LTS players, something that will cost them 2-4 modules. Maybe then certain LTS players would stop this incessant whining about how 'crappy' the Veteran ship is, when it's actually perfectly viable.
You're assuming all veterans accumulate and spend those kinds of resources.
maaan, come on, be serious. it took me only 3 weeks to get the stuff for my fleet mogai. and i even don't power play/farm.
those who didn't got in a year several fleet/lockbox ships don't deserve the name of a veteran. especially if you recall that subbers/LTSer receive 500 zen monthly its a piece of cake to "accumulate and spend those kinds of resources".
and it's not quite the match of a Fleet ship of similar size/stats. It's not supposed to be.
really, do people ever try to read?... looks like not...
again: once up on the time 9 console ships were top end stuff. after the time being many 9 console ship received the upgrade to 10 consoles and fleet stats.
lockbox ships "were supposed to be" also 9 console ships, but not anymore as you can see by now, they are on the par to fleet ships. only veteran ship didn't catch the train, that's it. just because lockbox owner community much larger than those of the vet ships and their voices weight much more doesn't mean that the veteran ships doesn't deserve the same love.
but like with all minorities, voices of the few don't bother the big fishes as they don't concede other people be equal to them.
for the third in case you don't understand clear language i repeat it again:
for being a "veteran" ship its actually useless for veterans.
Yeah, I heard you the first time. The inference of your statement being that, in order for veteran ships to be useful, they'd have to be better than anything the vet already has -- or at least match it.
Not being entirely sure whether this meant you were actually asking for a better ship, I even prefaced my comment with a conditional:
IF by 'veteran ship' you meant a 'better than everything else in game, just because I've been playing for a while' ship, yeah, you're not getting that.
Redressing old words new, yeah, a 'useful' vet ship, in your definition, is simply never going to happen, as it would entail giving people who pretty much already have everything, by virtue of simply having played the game a long time, something even better, or on par with it. Any vet ship, now or future ones, will simply never be able to match the good stuff a vet likely already has. If yours was merely an observation to say the same, then we simply agree.
Seeing as lockbox ships got an automatic free upgrade to Fleet Grade stats and 10 consoles, its only right the Veteran Ships should get the same treatment.
Oh sure you might tell people that the ship was free and that they didn't pay for it.
But the very same argument can be made for lockbox ships, technically they are also "free", since you don't actually pay for the ship itself.
But at the end of the day there are both people who spend like 200-300$ on getting a lockbox ship, just as there are people who spend the same to get the veterans ships.
Not to mention that lockbox ships have the potential to be the cheapest ships a player can ever get if they are extremely lucky.
But at the end of the day there are both people who spend like 200-300$ on getting a lockbox ship, just as there are people who spend the same to get the veterans ships.
And herein lies the fallacy of your reasoning: people didn't pay 200-300$ to get a veteran ship: they paid 200-300$ for a Lifetime Subscription. The vet ship is just a nice little freebie -- a 'Welcome to the LTS neighborhood!' gift, if you will.
And herein lies the fallacy of your reasoning: people didn't pay 200-300$ to get a veteran ship: they paid 200-300$ for a Lifetime Subscription. The vet ship is just a nice little freebie -- a 'Welcome to the LTS neighborhood!' gift, if you will.
Just as people didn't pay 200-300$ for a lockbox ship: they paid 200-300$ for master keys.
Just as people didn't pay 200-300$ for a lockbox ship: they paid 200-300$ for master keys.
We should be careful not to get drawn into semantics, but generally ppl pay 200-300$ for the *chance* of getting a lockbox ship. I never do, btw, and just buy the ship off exchange (when it's the kind that's not Lobi-only).
However, nobody -- in his or her right mind, at least -- shells out 200-300$ for a veteran ship. They pay for the Life Time Subscription, and maybe look forward to getting a cool vet ship as a perk.
We should be careful not to get drawn into semantics, but generally ppl pay 200-300$ for the *chance* of getting a lockbox ship. I never do, btw, and just buy the ship off exchange (when it's the kind that's not Lobi-only).
However, nobody -- in his or her right mind, at least -- shells out 200-300$ for a veteran ship. They pay for the Life Time Subscription, and maybe look forward to getting a cool vet ship as a perk.
I could say exactly the same about lockbox ships.
The point is, the Veteran ship is just as deserving of being buffed as the lockbox ships were.
Redressing old words new, yeah, a 'useful' vet ship, in your definition, is simply never going to happen, as it would entail giving people who pretty much already have everything, by virtue of simply having played the game a long time, something even better, or on par with it. Any vet ship, now or future ones, will simply never be able to match the good stuff a vet likely already has. If yours was merely an observation to say the same, then we simply agree.
man i am fully aware how a demagogue speech goes and it won't work on me.
vet ships are USELESS for veterans as they are now. and this is wrong. they should be updated to 10 console level like all other ships that received the upgrade.
if you fail to see the facts than its not my beer.
Seeing as lockbox ships got an automatic free upgrade to Fleet Grade stats and 10 consoles, its only right the Veteran Ships should get the same treatment.
But at the end of the day there are both people who spend like 200-300$ on getting a lockbox ship, just as there are people who spend the same to get the veterans ships.
However, nobody -- in his or her right mind, at least -- shells out 200-300$ for a veteran ship. They pay for the Life Time Subscription, and maybe look forward to getting a cool vet ship as a perk.
another demagogic speech... never speak of "nobody" from your own bell tower.
people indeed do spend 200-300$ for ships, this is nothing new.
and there are by now many other ships outside of the fleets that do have fleet stats and they are way cheaper to get.
life time subscription is a "all inclusive" offer.
seriously, if you pay a vacation in a 6 stars hotel you would be pissed off if the hotel will give you a fiat punto as a rent car.
people who paid for LTS await appropriate level of service. which means that ship should be valuable, not as dust catcher.
its not a "perk", its an EXCLUSIVE GEM, probably the most valuable piece of the whole LTS aside of the stipend. of course given the upgrade to the up to date level.
don't try to make it less-worthy for what ever reason it fits in your speech.
man i am fully aware how a demagogue speech goes and it won't work on me.
vet ships are USELESS for veterans as they are now. and this is wrong. they should be updated to 10 console level like all other ships that received the upgrade.
if you fail to see the facts than its not my beer.
Haha! In other words: you actually *were* asking for a better ship! See, I *knew* it! Nice going, tripping yourself up there, bud. And no, the plethora of all your ad hominems notwithstanding, you're still not getting your 'useful' vet ship.
another demagogic speech... never speak of "nobody" from your own bell tower.
people indeed do spend 200-300$ for ships, this is nothing new.
Perhaps you should learn to read?! I didn't say people aren't spending 200-300$ for ships, I said people aren't spending 200-300$ on veteran ships. And for the reason which seems to elude you: it's the LTS you pay for -- the rest is just an extra boon.
Haha! In other words: you actually *were* asking for a better ship! See, I *knew* it! Nice going, tripping yourself up there, bud. And no, the plethora of all your ad hominems notwithstanding, you're still not getting your 'useful' vet ship.
Sorry for jumping in here...
I dont think he is meaning that he want a better ship in that sense of the wording.
But a ship that is on par with the ships that is today, just as it was when they released the 1k lts ship.
It would also help keeping the LTS sales up if people know they are getting a ship that is comparable with what you can get from fleet ship store, as an example.
Perhaps you should learn to read?! I didn't say people aren't spending 200-300$ for ships, I said people aren't spending 200-300$ on veteran ships. And for the reason which seems to elude you: it's the LTS you pay for -- the rest is just an extra boon.
No matter what they pay for, an extra boon is never wrong, useless or not, right?
Or is it extra junk only....
I dont think he is meaning that he want a better ship in that sense of the wording.
But a ship that is on par with the ships that is today, just as it was when they released the 1k lts ship.
It would also help keeping the LTS sales up if people know they are getting a ship that is comparable with what you can get from fleet ship store, as an example.
Well, his point was, that veteran ships are 'useless' because vets tend to already have the best ships. To which I commented, that a 'useful' ship, in this context, would then mean a ship better than anything else -- or at least on par with it. Which is never going to happen, of course.
As for bringing veteran ships up to speed, as it were, sure, other ships have gotten a 10th tact console. But it's not like the Chimera doesn't have anything extra. It has a good defense system, a good tactical mode, a tachyon beam attack, and a wicked phaser Lotus.
Ironically, I was actually one of the first in this thread to mention that I wouldn't mind if the Chimera came with an extra console. But not having one makes it far from 'useless.' It's still a pretty darn decent ship, IMHO.
No matter what they pay for, an extra boon is never wrong, useless or not, right?
Zactly. It should only upset ppl (if they feel like being upset) when they *think* they paid 200-300$ for a veteran ship.
And this boon wasn't always there, mind you. There was actually quite an uproar on the forums when 'real' life-timers learnt Cryptic was now offering the Veteran ship to LTS folks too. Which just goes to underline that the veteran ship was merely thrown in as an inducement to get you to commit to LTS.
As entertaining as it is watching you guys argue, it doesn't change the fact that Vet ships are FINE AS IS. If you actually bothered to learn how to use them, they can be devastatingly powerful. I have seen vet ships blow through NPCs AND players like a meteor through tissue paper. Of course on the flip side, I have also seen a vet ship tapping on NPCs and players, and being about as effective as a balsa wood battering ram being carried by furbies on the gates of Minas Tirith.
It's always somewhat frustrating to see people say that the 1k day vet ship should be an "I win button [LOLZ OP]x10" ship. It's a perk. An added bonus. You don't pay the money JUST FOR THE BLOODY SHIP. I believe you also get a bunch of bank slots, costume slots, costumes, ship slots, and a 500 zen per month stipend. As was stated a ludicrous number of times throughout this thread, the ship is just an added perk. If you're getting an LTS just for that ship... then... yeeeeah... ><
As for the ships themselves? They're pretty fun to fly. They aren't overpowered, and they aren't underpowered. They're right where they should be. They are amazingly effective, and if you're failing with it, you need to adjust your playstyle to the ship. Don't expect the ship to be an instant win for nothing button. Won't work.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Fine as is lol.
ALL T5 ships are fine as is when it comes down to it, but that didn't stop cryptic from Fleet variants and lockbox ships with superior stats.
And seriously? NOBODY IS ASKING FOR AN I-WIN BUTTON!
Veteran ships deserve to be given fleet grade statistics, I.E 10 console slots, just as much as lockbox ships.
These are ships that deserve to have 10 console slots. The ship itself isn't valued at the price of a LTS, but that doesn't change the fact that it is locked behind a gate of either by far the largest purchase in the game, or an immense investment in time. It's not about its monetary value. It's an elite ship. A 'nice perk' could have been a noncombat pet or a weaponless vanity ship with some amenities on the bridge. These ships were made for end-game fighting, to be piloted only by the most dedicated of STO players. They hold a position for which they are not fit. I can port the average Chimera build onto a steamrunner with little adjustment, and feel as though I'm gaining 2 consoles through the addition of the 10th and the loss of the universal.
10 consoles, that's all they need. It should go without saying.
Well, his point was, that veteran ships are 'useless' because vets tend to already have the best ships. To which I commented, that a 'useful' ship, in this context, would then mean a ship better than anything else -- or at least on par with it. Which is never going to happen, of course.
As for bringing veteran ships up to speed, as it were, sure, other ships have gotten a 10th tact console. But it's not like the Chimera doesn't have anything extra. It has a good defense system, a good tactical mode, a tachyon beam attack, and a wicked phaser Lotus.
Ironically, I was actually one of the first in this thread to mention that I wouldn't mind if the Chimera came with an extra console. But not having one makes it far from 'useless.' It's still a pretty darn decent ship, IMHO.
It might be a pretty darn good ship, i really dont know since i am not a LTS.
I think however...
They should do the LTS ships like they have done with some weapons.
Scalable by level of the player.
Zactly. It should only upset ppl (if they feel like being upset) when they *think* they paid 200-300$ for a veteran ship.
And this boon wasn't always there, mind you. There was actually quite an uproar on the forums when 'real' life-timers learnt Cryptic was now offering the Veteran ship to LTS folks too. Which just goes to underline that the veteran ship was merely thrown in as an inducement to get you to commit to LTS.
Yes, that is the reason probably to why they threw in this ship and the klingon version of it in the LTS deal.
And that is why, the LTS rewards, i think, would be scaleable by level of the player.
The ship probably isn't so useless as many think, it's all about build and strategy in the end.
But as i do alot of PVP, i can say, i have never seen the ship in a fight, only in PVE.
And if it is not used that much in pvp it means it is lacking something for that type of gameplay, but that might not even have to do with the console slotting.
I said people aren't spending 200-300$ on veteran ships.
and you have the right to represent the opinion of the whole sto world?
who are you? the god of sto?
never ever speak for other people unless you are a politician lawfully elected by people.
It might be a pretty darn good ship, i really dont know since i am not a LTS.
its main perk of switching modes allow you somewhat adapt to situation. skills on contrary have very long cd of 5 min to be really useful. all the universal consoles have 3 min cd, many consoles are even shorter on cd with 2 or even 1 minutes.
The ship probably isn't so useless as many think, it's all about build and strategy in the end.
wrong, man. another console slot nowadays means another universal/embassy/mine console. regardless of the build strategy a 10 console ship would perform up to 20-30% better in one of the stats like shield amount or hull resists.
But as i do alot of PVP, i can say, i have never seen the ship in a fight, only in PVE.
And if it is not used that much in pvp it means it is lacking something for that type of gameplay, but that might not even have to do with the console slotting.
exactly!!!
its lacks 10th console. it has weak base shield. it has too long cd on special skills.
and you have the right to represent the opinion of the whole sto world?
who are you? the god of sto?
A wee desperate looking for a fight, are we? Well, I can't be bothered today. :P
My comment in question was actually short-hand for what I had said a few posts earlier:
"However, nobody -- in his or her right mind, at least -- shells out 200-300$ for a veteran ship."
I still stand by that. Show me a person who spends 200-300$ on a veteran ship, and I'll show you a fool. Show me a person who spends 200-300$ on a LTS, and I'll show you someone sane.
I still stand by that. Show me a person who spends 200-300$ on a veteran ship, and I'll show you a fool. Show me a person who spends 200-300$ on a LTS, and I'll show you someone sane.
for the first you don't have the qualification to judge the mental sanity of people.
for the second there are people who spend thousands or even millions of dollars for an actually worthless pieces of paper.
in case you couldn't guess who are those people i give you a hint - those papers used to be glued to envelopes.
so stand by what ever you want, feel free to occupy the pillory if its your soul desire.
for the first you don't have the qualification to judge the mental sanity of people.
for the second there are people who spend thousands or even millions of dollars for an actually worthless pieces of paper.
in case you couldn't guess who are those people i give you a hint - those papers used to be glued to envelopes.
so stand by what ever you want, feel free to occupy the pillory if its your soul desire.
Always be trolling, right? Well, I have simply reported you, and will continue to do so for every subsequent. nasty bait attempt.
its main perk of switching modes allow you somewhat adapt to situation. skills on contrary have very long cd of 5 min to be really useful. all the universal consoles have 3 min cd, many consoles are even shorter on cd with 2 or even 1 minutes.
Can't argue with that..
However the abilties and consoles have cooldowns so they will not be repeted every minute, in the favour of the game, it's supposed to be challening.
well, that's exactly the point. a veteran player with over 3 year on his hunchback would never use 9 console ships.
Now, i am not a LTS...
But then, i still use ships with 9 consoles and i have not that many problems so it ruins my gameplay, in pvp or pve.
wrong, man. another console slot nowadays means another universal/embassy/mine console. regardless of the build strategy a 10 console ship would perform up to 20-30% better in one of the stats like shield amount or hull resists.
Perhaps...
Or it is a substitute for a bad and not thought trough build.
exactly!!!
its lacks 10th console. it has weak base shield. it has too long cd on special skills.
As i said, i have not had the oppurtunity to play with this ship.
But...
It looks to have a decent layout for a a2b build.
Which will probably make it even pvp dangerous.
Is the DTS system console based?
maaan, come on, be serious. it took me only 3 weeks to get the stuff for my fleet mogai. and i even don't power play/farm.
those who didn't got in a year several fleet/lockbox ships don't deserve the name of a veteran. especially if you recall that subbers/LTSer receive 500 zen monthly its a piece of cake to "accumulate and spend those kinds of resources".
really, do people ever try to read?... looks like not...
again: once up on the time 9 console ships were top end stuff. after the time being many 9 console ship received the upgrade to 10 consoles and fleet stats.
lockbox ships "were supposed to be" also 9 console ships, but not anymore as you can see by now, they are on the par to fleet ships. only veteran ship didn't catch the train, that's it. just because lockbox owner community much larger than those of the vet ships and their voices weight much more doesn't mean that the veteran ships doesn't deserve the same love.
but like with all minorities, voices of the few don't bother the big fishes as they don't concede other people be equal to them.
And who are YOU to decide what a veteran is? Are you the god of STO?
The solution you're looking for is for a SEPARATE Fleet version of the veteran ship to be released, to be purchased with fleetcredits and modules. NOT an 'adjustment of the stats of the vet ship' that seems to be argued in this thread. That's how ships are 'upgraded'. I don't believe Cryptic has ever 'adjusted' the stats of C-store ships to compensate for power creep, so why should entitled veteran players get their FREE SHIP 'adjusted' when it's still perfectly valid as long as you know how to play the game?
The neglected minorities in this game are the KDF and PvPers. Only a complete fool would think Veterans are being 'ignored' or 'left behind'. You LTS players get a LOT of extra goodies that pay off after a while.
Chimera is a fine ship; nothing wrong with it: good, agile Escort type (it doesn't really feel like a true Escort, but okay). It could use an extra sci/engi console slot; but its Dynamic Tactical System is very sweet, with the Tactical Mode for offence; as is its counterpart modus: Regeneration Mode.
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If by 'veteran ship' you meant a 'better than everything else in game, just because I've been playing for a while' ship, yeah, you're not getting that. :P And rightly so.
I definitely agree to this. The time of "I paid more money for this game so i should be pampered like a spoiled twerp" is over.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
for the second read my post and think 2 minutes before writing something. and if you still want to write - then with arguments on the topic, not on the persons.
for the third in case you don't understand clear language i repeat it again:
for being a "veteran" ship its actually useless for veterans.
You're assuming all veterans accumulate and spend those kinds of resources. I assure you, had I gotten a LTS during that sale. . .I wouldn't have any more or less in the way of 'elite' ships than I have right now. I have no lockbox ships outside of the dirt-cheap Mirror ones, and I have two Fleet ships that took a long time for me to grind EC/Zen for.
In my eyes, the Veteran ship would still be valid. It's faster than most other ships in its weight class, has the shield modifier of a C-store escort (.9 modifier), and is in overall a decent ship. It's not a super-duper overpowered lockbox ship, and it's not quite the match of a Fleet ship of similar size/stats. It's not supposed to be.
Maybe Cryptic will release a Fleet version of the ship available only to LTS players, something that will cost them 2-4 modules. Maybe then certain LTS players would stop this incessant whining about how 'crappy' the Veteran ship is, when it's actually perfectly viable.
those who didn't got in a year several fleet/lockbox ships don't deserve the name of a veteran. especially if you recall that subbers/LTSer receive 500 zen monthly its a piece of cake to "accumulate and spend those kinds of resources".
really, do people ever try to read?... looks like not...
again: once up on the time 9 console ships were top end stuff. after the time being many 9 console ship received the upgrade to 10 consoles and fleet stats.
lockbox ships "were supposed to be" also 9 console ships, but not anymore as you can see by now, they are on the par to fleet ships. only veteran ship didn't catch the train, that's it. just because lockbox owner community much larger than those of the vet ships and their voices weight much more doesn't mean that the veteran ships doesn't deserve the same love.
but like with all minorities, voices of the few don't bother the big fishes as they don't concede other people be equal to them.
Oh sure you might tell people that the ship was free and that they didn't pay for it.
But the very same argument can be made for lockbox ships, technically they are also "free", since you don't actually pay for the ship itself.
But at the end of the day there are both people who spend like 200-300$ on getting a lockbox ship, just as there are people who spend the same to get the veterans ships.
Not to mention that lockbox ships have the potential to be the cheapest ships a player can ever get if they are extremely lucky.
And herein lies the fallacy of your reasoning: people didn't pay 200-300$ to get a veteran ship: they paid 200-300$ for a Lifetime Subscription. The vet ship is just a nice little freebie -- a 'Welcome to the LTS neighborhood!' gift, if you will.
Just as people didn't pay 200-300$ for a lockbox ship: they paid 200-300$ for master keys.
We should be careful not to get drawn into semantics, but generally ppl pay 200-300$ for the *chance* of getting a lockbox ship. I never do, btw, and just buy the ship off exchange (when it's the kind that's not Lobi-only).
However, nobody -- in his or her right mind, at least -- shells out 200-300$ for a veteran ship. They pay for the Life Time Subscription, and maybe look forward to getting a cool vet ship as a perk.
I could say exactly the same about lockbox ships.
The point is, the Veteran ship is just as deserving of being buffed as the lockbox ships were.
vet ships are USELESS for veterans as they are now. and this is wrong. they should be updated to 10 console level like all other ships that received the upgrade.
if you fail to see the facts than its not my beer. this!
another demagogic speech... never speak of "nobody" from your own bell tower.
people indeed do spend 200-300$ for ships, this is nothing new.
and there are by now many other ships outside of the fleets that do have fleet stats and they are way cheaper to get.
life time subscription is a "all inclusive" offer.
seriously, if you pay a vacation in a 6 stars hotel you would be pissed off if the hotel will give you a fiat punto as a rent car.
people who paid for LTS await appropriate level of service. which means that ship should be valuable, not as dust catcher.
its not a "perk", its an EXCLUSIVE GEM, probably the most valuable piece of the whole LTS aside of the stipend. of course given the upgrade to the up to date level.
don't try to make it less-worthy for what ever reason it fits in your speech.
Haha! In other words: you actually *were* asking for a better ship! See, I *knew* it! Nice going, tripping yourself up there, bud. And no, the plethora of all your ad hominems notwithstanding, you're still not getting your 'useful' vet ship.
Perhaps you should learn to read?! I didn't say people aren't spending 200-300$ for ships, I said people aren't spending 200-300$ on veteran ships. And for the reason which seems to elude you: it's the LTS you pay for -- the rest is just an extra boon.
Sorry for jumping in here...
I dont think he is meaning that he want a better ship in that sense of the wording.
But a ship that is on par with the ships that is today, just as it was when they released the 1k lts ship.
It would also help keeping the LTS sales up if people know they are getting a ship that is comparable with what you can get from fleet ship store, as an example.
No matter what they pay for, an extra boon is never wrong, useless or not, right?
Or is it extra junk only....
Well, his point was, that veteran ships are 'useless' because vets tend to already have the best ships. To which I commented, that a 'useful' ship, in this context, would then mean a ship better than anything else -- or at least on par with it. Which is never going to happen, of course.
As for bringing veteran ships up to speed, as it were, sure, other ships have gotten a 10th tact console. But it's not like the Chimera doesn't have anything extra. It has a good defense system, a good tactical mode, a tachyon beam attack, and a wicked phaser Lotus.
Ironically, I was actually one of the first in this thread to mention that I wouldn't mind if the Chimera came with an extra console. But not having one makes it far from 'useless.' It's still a pretty darn decent ship, IMHO.
Zactly.
And this boon wasn't always there, mind you. There was actually quite an uproar on the forums when 'real' life-timers learnt Cryptic was now offering the Veteran ship to LTS folks too. Which just goes to underline that the veteran ship was merely thrown in as an inducement to get you to commit to LTS.
As entertaining as it is watching you guys argue, it doesn't change the fact that Vet ships are FINE AS IS. If you actually bothered to learn how to use them, they can be devastatingly powerful. I have seen vet ships blow through NPCs AND players like a meteor through tissue paper. Of course on the flip side, I have also seen a vet ship tapping on NPCs and players, and being about as effective as a balsa wood battering ram being carried by furbies on the gates of Minas Tirith.
It's always somewhat frustrating to see people say that the 1k day vet ship should be an "I win button [LOLZ OP]x10" ship. It's a perk. An added bonus. You don't pay the money JUST FOR THE BLOODY SHIP. I believe you also get a bunch of bank slots, costume slots, costumes, ship slots, and a 500 zen per month stipend. As was stated a ludicrous number of times throughout this thread, the ship is just an added perk. If you're getting an LTS just for that ship... then... yeeeeah... ><
As for the ships themselves? They're pretty fun to fly. They aren't overpowered, and they aren't underpowered. They're right where they should be. They are amazingly effective, and if you're failing with it, you need to adjust your playstyle to the ship. Don't expect the ship to be an instant win for nothing button. Won't work.
ALL T5 ships are fine as is when it comes down to it, but that didn't stop cryptic from Fleet variants and lockbox ships with superior stats.
And seriously? NOBODY IS ASKING FOR AN I-WIN BUTTON!
Veteran ships deserve to be given fleet grade statistics, I.E 10 console slots, just as much as lockbox ships.
10 consoles, that's all they need. It should go without saying.
Or ships with a 5/4 weapon layout. Or 5/5.
Will you continue to ask that your current veteran ship have its stats bumped to match?
I think however...
They should do the LTS ships like they have done with some weapons.
Scalable by level of the player.
Yes, that is the reason probably to why they threw in this ship and the klingon version of it in the LTS deal.
And that is why, the LTS rewards, i think, would be scaleable by level of the player.
The ship probably isn't so useless as many think, it's all about build and strategy in the end.
But as i do alot of PVP, i can say, i have never seen the ship in a fight, only in PVE.
And if it is not used that much in pvp it means it is lacking something for that type of gameplay, but that might not even have to do with the console slotting.
If lockbox ships continue getting bumped up, then yes, absolutely.
who are you? the god of sto?
never ever speak for other people unless you are a politician lawfully elected by people.
its lacks 10th console. it has weak base shield. it has too long cd on special skills.
A wee desperate looking for a fight, are we? Well, I can't be bothered today. :P
My comment in question was actually short-hand for what I had said a few posts earlier:
"However, nobody -- in his or her right mind, at least -- shells out 200-300$ for a veteran ship."
I still stand by that. Show me a person who spends 200-300$ on a veteran ship, and I'll show you a fool. Show me a person who spends 200-300$ on a LTS, and I'll show you someone sane.
for the second there are people who spend thousands or even millions of dollars for an actually worthless pieces of paper.
in case you couldn't guess who are those people i give you a hint - those papers used to be glued to envelopes.
so stand by what ever you want, feel free to occupy the pillory if its your soul desire.
Always be trolling, right? Well, I have simply reported you, and will continue to do so for every subsequent. nasty bait attempt.
Good-bye.
However the abilties and consoles have cooldowns so they will not be repeted every minute, in the favour of the game, it's supposed to be challening.
Now, i am not a LTS...
But then, i still use ships with 9 consoles and i have not that many problems so it ruins my gameplay, in pvp or pve.
Perhaps...
Or it is a substitute for a bad and not thought trough build.
As i said, i have not had the oppurtunity to play with this ship.
But...
It looks to have a decent layout for a a2b build.
Which will probably make it even pvp dangerous.
Is the DTS system console based?
So in effect it only really has 8 consoles available.
And who are YOU to decide what a veteran is? Are you the god of STO?
The solution you're looking for is for a SEPARATE Fleet version of the veteran ship to be released, to be purchased with fleetcredits and modules. NOT an 'adjustment of the stats of the vet ship' that seems to be argued in this thread. That's how ships are 'upgraded'. I don't believe Cryptic has ever 'adjusted' the stats of C-store ships to compensate for power creep, so why should entitled veteran players get their FREE SHIP 'adjusted' when it's still perfectly valid as long as you know how to play the game?
The neglected minorities in this game are the KDF and PvPers. Only a complete fool would think Veterans are being 'ignored' or 'left behind'. You LTS players get a LOT of extra goodies that pay off after a while.
agreed Op you are dismissed L2p