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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I still haven't maxed out the rep on any characters yet. I have T5 omega on my main and that's it. None of my alts are past T4. I'm having trouble getting the few captains I have up there, so new characters are out of the question.

    Which is sad because I have a concept that I've had in mind for a while now for a crew. Every time I get close to clicking on the "create new character" button, the rep grind pops into my mind and I close it out. I really don't see how people have max reps on multiple characters. You guys have more fortitude than I.

    Apparently there's some changes to the rep system coming next season, but I'm not too excited yet. The Dil Mine was supposed to help out small fleets but we all know how that one turned out. I'm afraid I've become a bit skeptical when the devs come back and say "We're making changes to make things better" now. I'll believe it when I see it. That's the proper phrase here I think.
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  • drake122svkdrake122svk Member Posts: 731 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I have already decided against creating any new characters back when the Nukara rep was announced. I can't be bothered with reps. Period.
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Roughly it should be faction based so you can take whatever toons you want and that they all get to tier 5 and never has to be done again. Especially when you look at the Omega STF rep vs The Rom rep.

    Average is about 75 marks for lowest reward for STF's so at 1k marks per XII space piece that is around 40ish stf runs for a whole set.

    Now the average is about 25 when looking at the main source of space events for romulan marks so you are looking at around 95 runs just averaging it off for something that may be viewed as inferior gear in relation to STF rep gear. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that these mark rewarding events should be on some kind of standard point system because they debated that the rom gear is under stf costs but the bottom line is that one stf usually takes a decent team 10-12 minutes on average so being rom ones take about that long too and require same amount of people there needs to be some kind of change coming to this especially one that rewards a standard amount per mission done and then make that tier system faction wide among toons so that a rep system like the rom rep doesn't take double the amount of time that omega/borg stfs take to get that gear.
  • xblazex#7666 xblazex Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I only plan on having one ship and one crew so it really doesn't affect me at all . I see no point in making alts personally
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I only plan on having one ship and one crew so it really doesn't affect me at all . I see no point in making alts personally

    Roughly when I started out I just made alts for specific tasks where as most ppls "mains" are basically well rounded. Most of my KDF alts were made specifically for different ground combat tasks. If Cryptic is going ahead with abandoning the nausicaan, gorn, orion, etc ships and thats if and when they actually put up new klingon ships to sell they might be ground only after that.
  • captainbaileycaptainbailey Member Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    This game has nothing else to offer but the rep system so with my 6 mains already having rom/omega t5 I just finished their nukara t5 a day ago and my 1 romulan fed tac I made will be done all 3 reps in 8 more days.

    Any new faction brought in the future I will most likely do a full rep grind on them as well because this game nothing else to offer but the rep grind which only takes at most 30 days to complete.

    Ofcourse over time the rep system will become too large for me to handle and I will have to stop. at the moment I will have 7 mains with full t5 rep. at some point with new reps and factions it will become too much to do on a daily basis and I will just have to quit but by then I suspect that's when cryptic will do account wide xp boost. ofcourse by then people like me will be able to do the rep system in no time and people will b*tch and moan about that as well.
  • commodoreshrvkcommodoreshrvk Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I have to say, I've reached my limit on the rep system. I started a couple Roms, even decided to final level my KDF... I got through the leveling ... then looked at the rep system, sighed, signed out, and signed in on one of my two main toons that is already done with the systems.

    Honestly, I don't think it should be account wide unlocks... but i do think that for each toon that levels you should get X% discount (cost and time) on rep projects (same chain i.e. Omega, Nukara, Romulan) for all other toons. I like 10%... knowing that the toons currently languishing would get a 20% bump because I have already ground out the rep twice before.. this seems fair. You level 10 toons in a rep, gratz... you unlocked it for the entire account. You've put your time in, and should get a break :)

    Best option I have seen thus far. I barely log in anymore simply because the rep grind on such limited content is so tedious. I would rather play another game at this point. So I will finish it on one toon if that, ever (and I have 9).

    The current incarnation of "Endgame" for STO is terrible. Most other games revolve around endgames with PvP, High End PvE raids, Resource Gathering, Crafting, and STO should really have some PvE exploration system. Don't forget social end game play. It is unfortunate none of those systems are well developed in this game and we simply get and interactive FB/Zynga style system stolen from the Fleet System stolen from the DOFF system. The DOFF system is still the best system implemented in game and the stripped down Rep System grind is far far worse, perhaps even the worst system in game. Yes, I think crafting and current exploration are better than the rep system.
  • milanvoriusmilanvorius Member Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The rep system could be great but it takes too long and amassing the materials are too tedious.

    Rep could be account unlock, make a "fleet holding" window that is just your account group, call it "starfleet cohort" where all the toons on your account are considered graduates of teh same academy class or something if you want a back story to why the rep system is account wide. Of course it would have to be something else for kdf toons, but I am just throwing something out there for the hopes of a better system.

    I would not be surprised if the rep system isn't loosened up to an account wide system eventually. They have lowered requirements for starbases. I don't see this as a lapse in judgement on their part, people are grinding for now, when the grind tapers off and the rep systems atrophy then they will move on an improvement.

    Finally the rep could be made "account wide" by giving out boxes of "rep points" for completion of each tier that is worth 1 rep level on another toon. That box is account bound.

    I will illustrate what I mean: I complete Omega Tier 1 on fed tac toon. On unlock of T1 Omega part of the reward is a box for 5000 Omega Reputation XP that I can transfer to any toon. I transfer it to Fed Eng toon, I have instant Omega Tier 1 there, perhaps this "mission" could have a dilithium input too. Once I unlock the Tier 1 project then I get another box, to transfer to my kdf sci and rinse repeat.

    When my fed tac gets Tier2 unlocked then he gets a box for 15000 Omega reputation to pass to the next one. This allows for a daisy chain of your toons. Put a time gate of even a week on it I don't care, it is pointless to time gate it but I don't care. This way you are getting rep for the next toon without grinding the missions. I feel this will allow me to get back into my KDF characters again.

    The other idea is to give "reputation charms" that are good for just pure reputation on any rep system which means that as you can trade these charms (account bound of course) to any toon and get just reputation points in a special rep project that you run on an alt or parallel main.

    Sorry for being wordy again, I just want to put examples out that I hope the devs might see. This doesnt require massive recoding, just a reward item and create a new mission that rewards the necessary Rep XP. We would still run the 15 minute unlock mission.
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  • milanvoriusmilanvorius Member Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The rep system could be great but it takes too long and amassing the materials are too tedious.

    Rep could be account unlock, make a "fleet holding" window that is just your account group, call it "starfleet cohort" where all the toons on your account are considered graduates of teh same academy class or something if you want a back story to why the rep system is account wide. Of course it would have to be something else for kdf toons, but I am just throwing something out there for the hopes of a better system.

    I would not be surprised if the rep system isn't loosened up to an account wide system eventually. They have lowered requirements for starbases. I don't see this as a lapse in judgement on their part, people are grinding for now, when the grind tapers off and the rep systems atrophy then they will move on an improvement.

    Finally the rep could be made "account wide" by giving out boxes of "rep points" for completion of each tier that is worth 1 rep level on another toon. That box is account bound.

    I will illustrate what I mean: I complete Omega Tier 1 on fed tac toon. On unlock of T1 Omega part of the reward is a box for 5000 Omega Reputation XP that I can transfer to any toon. I transfer it to Fed Eng toon, I have instant Omega Tier 1 there, perhaps this "mission" could have a dilithium input too. Once I unlock the Tier 1 project then I get another box, to transfer to my kdf sci and rinse repeat.

    When my fed tac gets Tier2 unlocked then he gets a box for 15000 Omega reputation to pass to the next one. This allows for a daisy chain of your toons. Put a time gate of even a week on it I don't care, it is pointless to time gate it but I don't care. This way you are getting rep for the next toon without grinding the missions. I feel this will allow me to get back into my KDF characters again.

    The other idea is to give "reputation charms" that are good for just pure reputation on any rep system which means that as you can trade these charms (account bound of course) to any toon and get just reputation points in a special rep project that you run on an alt or parallel main.

    Sorry for being wordy again, I just want to put examples out that I hope the devs might see. This doesnt require massive recoding, just a reward item and create a new mission that rewards the necessary Rep XP. We would still run the 15 minute unlock mission.

    Also worth noting I have 7 active toons, 3 kdf, 3 fed, and a rommie. Planned on 3 rommies for fed and kdf but to this point my rommie made level 50 by doffing and I stopped. Can't be bothered even with LoR content because my Fed main needed rep.

    I say this because Cryptic should know I bought all the 3 ship packs for fed and kdf, also some other ships for consoles and fleet ship discounts. I have not bought any romulan ships and I will not because I need the rep system maxed as I use them in PvP, which is my main interest in this game.

    Therefore any future kdf or rom zen purchases are not going to be made now because those toons have been regulated to farms for doffs and dilithium on academies and some PvE grinds. Because I have them farming I have built up quite a dilithium stash by spreading out the 8000 cap. It was a pleasure buying a set of keys without spending a dollar and saving my money. The power of alt farming has become apparent due to this rep system. Coupled with my LTS stipend I don't see a need to buy zen in the future because I am only supporting 2 toons now, instead of the possible 9 or 12.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm being really lazy about reps now that I'm leveling a third character through them. I ran a couple dozen STFs, raised several Epohhs, then I put every commodity and consumable tiers 1-4 would need in her bank and I'm now logging over to that toon once a day to roll over the projects.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I had 12 toons now im down to 9 just no time to work them all and I plan of deleting atleast 3 more of them. of the 6 I am keeping one is already maxed on current reps . one is t 4 on all current reps and one my reman im only working the romulan rep system with.
    I don't plan on doing it with any other toons and don't have the time to do it even if I wanted too. if they add more ill probably do it only with my primary toon just to say he did it. but not the others . its such a load of TRIBBLE the time the costs its making the game work not fun .
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    bridgern wrote: »
    I agree three are enough and to be honest if I could copy the fleet credits and other stuff that can't be copied over to an other character I would delete at least 6 of my alts.

    I used my alts fleet credits to buy doffs then sent them to my main then deleted them.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have 3 captains with maxed out Omega and Romulan rep, and 2 are at T4. None have started the Nukara rep. My Romulan has not started any of the rep stuff since hitting 50

    I dread starting Nukara, but I dread 're-running' the Omega and Romulan reps even more. For me I think it would be nice to add Marks as rewards for many more activities such as Foundry missions and DOFF missions. Also make every PvE queue mission 'flexible' (choice of marks) and add choice of marks to the PvP matches.

    marks used to be in foundry mission but they removed it.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    after reading all this and not just responding to statements . I guess id be ok with the rep system if they made 1 of 2 changes


    1. reputation marks all the same and only reward spent on what ever you like. or in the very least each mission be player choice.

    2. remove the cool down on the rep-system most mission are already on a cool down. now we have to wait even longer and submit items to basically file a report that hey we completed these tasks now give me a rank up.
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  • saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I advance my characters one at a time, 1-2 minetraps a day, 1 CEE a day, and one STF a day on each toon, I currently have 4 mains, a romulan, 3 joined trills, 2 are maxed, 1 is maxed in everything but nukara, and the other one is T3-4 in each, so I'l just do them 1 by 1 cuz 4 missions just for daily stuff.. I ain't gonna farm all day, I have ground toon coming, and a reman later on, gosh I'm gonna kill myself..

    Once I reach T5 on one, I stop, and start grinding for stuff I need when I'm done with the dailies on the next guys
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  • linkdown1linkdown1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I had 9 toons now down to 5 and soon 4. The good thing is i don't need to buy so many lockbox ships anymore.
  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The reputation system has already stopped me from creating a Reman, which would have been my second character.

    I have no wish to run a reputation system more than once.

    I ran a Romulan on Tribble but essentially, not entirely, stopped after they wiped it and my Romulan character. I tried to start another Romulan but grew bored.
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  • masterkeychnk5masterkeychnk5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    owww gawd guys it is official!!!

    New rep system coming soon!!,

    WHO ELSE IS FULL OF JOY?

    Well at least one bright star on the horizon. With the current powercreep and this game totally focussed on spike and dps and only the new faction and ships gain a massive damage imcrease with the fancy boffs there is very little to work on except your rommie tac LOL

    Until the new faction arrives which in turn is better then the romulan faction were golden!
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  • drumcd74656drumcd74656 Member Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited August 2013

    So how about you? How are you taking the grind in stride?

    How many characters will you maintain if they add another 1, 2, 3 or even 4 new Rep systems?

    If in 1 year from now, there are a total of 6 Rep systems - would you even dare create a new character?

    Keep in mind we have gotten 3 full Rep systems in the past 6/7 months.



    What happens when a new faction is launched and you have to start all of it over again?

    I have four toons and I've only completed the Omega rep on 3 of them. I haven't completed the Romulan rep on any of them and I've only just started progressing on the Nukara rep.

    I'm so disgusted with the entire system I'm already not making any more characters.

    I'm also disgusted with the way Cryptic has handled the rest of the LoR systems with all the broken powers and stacked exploits. The only reason I'm still logging on is to complete the story arcs.

    I'm within a hair's breadth of deleting the whole thing from my computer.
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ...will have repped out my 3rd toon by tomorow. i'll never bring another toon to all t5! and i really don't like the thought of upcoming reps :(...
  • undyingzeroundyingzero Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The rep honestly doesn't bother me at all. Y'know what I do? I don't rush it. At all. I'm Tier 3 on Nukara on my main, and I'm not even going through it in a rush. What for? I'll eventually get to all the fun trinkets with time, in the meantime I got roleplay to do, and fun to have.
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I'd happily pay 1000Zen to duplicate reputation onto other characters.

    Though it would feel odd for Cryptic to even promote the idea of another new reputation system in the coming update only for me to go "Oh christ, please just take the Zen and exclude me the boredom"

    As it stands i only have full reputation on one character. But he's like the prodigal son so far as i'm concerned. I'm slowly (so very slowly) doing them on my PVP healer, but just out of necessity to stay current with other people.

    Apart from that i NEVER intend to do any other characters. Cryptic have drastically reduced the time and money i am willing to put into other characters, and i hope they hurry up and realise how silly it would be if we arn't given a way to compensate.
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  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I seriously considered a new KDF character to go through the new Klingon levels, then thought about reputation grind to make a viable character for endgame, and said - 'Nah'.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Even as a PvE-only player... I'm not too worried about rep grinds. I know the devs are looking to make the system less tedious and more rewarding, so I'm sitting back and just doing what I can till then.

    And besides, I have 19 characters already. Don't think I'm gonna stop any time soon.
    > The generally tedious nature of buying an inputting small commodities (especially ground device consumables like hypos)
    Hypos aren't as tedius as power cells. You can still only get 20 of them each stack, whereas hypos can be purchased at 100 a time.
  • jon59650jon59650 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have 2 characters, and that is already too much. Right now I am only doing the Omega and Romulan reputations for my main character which is Romulan.

    I currently have bought all items needed for Tier IV, and I barely have enough room in my bank + 12 slot upgrade. I don't think I will be doing the reputation for my federation character for a while, it is just too tedious, though I do just run STFs for the dilithium which I try and stockpile.

    then there is the Nukara reputation...
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  • sboslayersboslayer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Meh, the only ones I intended on "uber-grinding up"... is my pvp toons. The rest can shove it lol. It's far too much effort and if you work/study at the same time there is just no time to log in daily to do it.

    The system should be account wide. I don't know why Cryptic honestly thinks everyone will bother their backside to grind every toon they have :P If you have over 5 with no rep input that's more than a few hours of grinding *sigh*.

    I wish they'd actually take on board the feedback people are giving them about the rep system. I'd still log on most days and play the other content... but, the same missions are getting as monotonous as the STF's at this point.
  • redheadguyredheadguy Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Having had more ambition than my actual motivation has been able to carry, I originally set out to create 4 new Romulan characters.

    I'm nearing (within the next 2 weeks) completion of all 3 Rep systems on my initial Romulan Character.

    However, at this point...

    >The amount of different events you need to grind for different rep currencies.

    > The generally tedious nature of buying an inputting small commodities (especially ground device consumables like hypos)

    > The massive cost of expertise required (about 500,000 expertise PER Rep system, so about 1.5 million expertise for 3 systems - easy for old characters but yet another grind for new ones).


    ...have me uncertain I will even bother with a second new character, much less the 3rd and 4th.



    Generally I log on, and there are things I have to do to earn rep that generally prevent me from playing the content that I actually want to play.


    There are also other indirect advantages to not having multiple characters, as this game has pushed so far and hard into expensive, single character unlocks (DOFF Roster, Inventory slots, Bank Slots, Lockbox ships, fleet ships, dilithium store gear, Rep gear, fleet store gear, etc.)


    So how about you? How are you taking the grind in stride?

    How many characters will you maintain if they add another 1, 2, 3 or even 4 new Rep systems?

    If in 1 year from now, there are a total of 6 Rep systems - would you even dare create a new character?

    Keep in mind we have gotten 3 full Rep systems in the past 6/7 months.



    What happens when a new faction is launched and you have to start all of it over again?

    I had a total of five characters when the Rep system first came out... I've already decided I'm not making anymore alts. Too much of a grind as is...
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    naevius wrote: »
    I seriously considered a new KDF character to go through the new Klingon levels, then thought about reputation grind to make a viable character for endgame, and said - 'Nah'.

    So, in your mind back in say July 2012 there were no "end game viable" Klingons? Given that rep didn't exist then but the only end game content that has changed or come out since then is the crystal entity.

    Rep is pure power creep. Unless you PvP it's not "necessary".
  • stupidconversionstupidconversion Member Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Pretty much there.

    They could even make tiny improvements like auto-submitting commodites with a button on the rep page instead of click, move slider, click.

    It could just be "click," if you have the commodity.

    I guess you might only want to half-fill one, I can;t think of a circumstance, how often does that happen?

    It's just clumsy.

    Not as clumsy as farming marks, mind you.
  • nagrom7nagrom7 Member Posts: 995 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have 10 characters, I might make more.

    At the same time, I know that I'm not going to bother with rep on most of them. I have a main that is tier 5, another couple that are tier 3-4 and then thats it.
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