Well....that's what happens when the devs. prefer using Twitter, Facebook and other social networks to announce such things rather than the game's own forum.
I'm fairly certain that I listened to a podcast here that had devs. explaining that the Scimitar is not the flagship and that there will be another ship for that role. I even remember them having a name for it, although I don't remeber what it was.
Guess they changed their mind on that one.
I got into this subject with a fleetmate who insists the Scimitar is not the Romulan "flagship." I LOL'ed so hard... one of the biggest, baddest, most storyline-OP ships that has ever been made in Star Trek is NOT considered the flagship of the Romulans? The ship hits damn hard and *is* more maneuverable than the Odyssey and Bortasqu' series, *and* comes with Battlecloaks, *and* has some useful consoles, unlike most of the Odyssey and Bortasqu' consoles.
My fleetmate's final justification that the Scimitar package is not the flagship is that the Scimitar is not Engineer heavy... :P
If they want to sell X ship for Z price, they need to make it comparable to Y ship that also sells for Z price.
X doesn't have to have everything that Y does, shouldn't have everything that Y does - likewise, Y shouldn't have everything X has...but they should be comparable.
Except its been said over and over and over again, say it with me The...Scimitar...Is...Not...The...Republic...Flagship. Thescimitarisnottherepublicflagship. Scimitar the Republic flagship it is not.
In case you don't understand any of that the Scimitar isn't the same as the Bort and Oddy so it shouldn't be similar to a completely different ship...why don't we just make everything the same.
Every ship in the game will be like the Scimitar! Tac commander 5 forward and 3 rear weapons slots and a hanger!
The Bort and Oddy did get a new set bonus...it has had it since the Scimitar was released...another detail people don't pay attention to.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Except its been said over and over and over again, say it with me The...Scimitar...Is...Not...The...Republic...Flagship. Thescimitarisnottherepublicflagship. Scimitar the Republic flagship it is not.
In case you don't understand any of that the Scimitar isn't the same as the Bort and Oddy so it shouldn't be similar to a completely different ship...why don't we just make everything the same.
Every ship in the game will be like the Scimitar! Tac commander 5 forward and 3 rear weapons slots and a hanger!
The Bort and Oddy did get a new set bonus...it has had it since the Scimitar was released...another detail people don't pay attention to.
According to captaingecko it is the flagship though.
Except its been said over and over and over again, say it with me The...Scimitar...Is...Not...The...Republic...Flagship. Thescimitarisnottherepublicflagship. Scimitar the Republic flagship it is not.
In case you don't understand any of that the Scimitar isn't the same as the Bort and Oddy so it shouldn't be similar to a completely different ship...why don't we just make everything the same.
Every ship in the game will be like the Scimitar! Tac commander 5 forward and 3 rear weapons slots and a hanger!
The Bort and Oddy did get a new set bonus...it has had it since the Scimitar was released...another detail people don't pay attention to.
yeah, the problem is, the devs have said both now..but yeah that looks like the scimitar is now the flag ship. At first it looked like the Haakona was going to be the flag ship, then they said it wasn't, then the scimitar, then not, and now back to the scimitar lol. It's kind of a shame though, was hoping for more new ships.
yeah, the problem is, the devs have said both now..but yeah that looks like the scimitar is now the flag ship. At first it looked like the Haakona was going to be the flag ship, then they said it wasn't, then the scimitar, then not, and now back to the scimitar lol. It's kind of a shame though, was hoping for more new ships.
Al Rivera is the ship man. People should have known this was the flagship from the start.
Anyways, the ship man himself stated it right there in twitter, so people need to except it and move on.
People should have known this was the flagship from the start.
except it was said it wasn't. So the people saying, "It's not the flagship," were going on good info for the time. I'm glad the devs finally got their story finally straight though.
Anyways, the ship man himself stated it right there in twitter, so people need to except it and move on.
yep, it's all set now. It will just take a while for people to find that info out. Lots of people don't read the forums or twitter or anything for that matter.
Now that it's confirmed that the scimitar is the romulan flagship, I would like to see a boost to the 2 part set for the odyssey and the bortasqu. The set actually gives so little, the game rounds down to zero on most of the bonus. I'm not looking for some crazy high stats, but something at least noticeable would be nice
Now that it's confirmed that the scimitar is the romulan flagship,
Why would they make that ugly Reman prototype, that looks nothing like a Romulan ship, the Romulan flagship?
It doesn't not just look like a Romulan ship it doesn't look like a Federation/Romulan/Klingon starship with at least 2 warp engines out to the sides somewhere.
Why would they make that ugly Reman prototype, that looks nothing like a Romulan ship, the Romulan flagship?
It doesn't not just look like a Romulan ship it doesn't look like a Federation/Romulan/Klingon starship with at least 2 warp engines out to the sides somewhere.
I totally understand what you're staying, but I'm not going off of what the ship is, I'm going off of what Al Rivera (aka CaptainGeko), who is STO's lead designer, says. I don't like that the scimitar is the Romulan Flagship, I wish it was the Haakona, but if Al Rivera says so, that's the way it is, because he is the lead designer.
Then that is completely contradictory to what they've said in the past, I forgot what podcast it was on but they told Terilynn that there will be a Romulan flagship and the class will be named Lleiset, which means freedom in Rihan.
I don't follow tweets much less even have a twitter account so if they backtracked its not my fault.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Then that is completely contradictory to what they've said in the past, I forgot what podcast it was on but they told Terilynn that there will be a Romulan flagship and the class will be named Lleiset, which means freedom in Rihan.
I don't follow tweets much less even have a twitter account so if they backtracked its not my fault.
Not that it matters to me one way or the other; however, I remember a Dev interview that was done in the last month or so by I believe Priority One where it was stated that the Scimitar was not the Romulan Flagship.
I love flying my Tulwar class with my Romulan Science Main, my weapons and auxiliary power are always at max and my shields and engines are near max most of the time.
The Scimitar 3 piece set is great across the board and with the right timing the Wave Motion Cannon can be quite useful :P
The Elite Romulan Drone Ships are a huge + if you can get them has they offer great DPS and can hold ARGO pretty well and now with the new level up mechanic their even better.
I cannot speak about the Oddy since I do not own the pack but I do own the Bort pack and IMO the Scimitar 3 pack is better than the Bort 3 pack.
I've said this in past topics on the Bort and I'll mention it again here:
I think the Bort would have been much better if it had a single Hanger that could launch up to two BOP or six Fighters.
I'd rather have two semi useable BOP that can improve over time with my Bort than one Console BOP that's completely useless, seems paper thin, can't level up and has a three minute cool down to boot.
In retrospect:
If the Scimitar is now considered to be the Romulan Flagship I think that both the Bort and the Oddy need to be reworked to include the single hanger mechanic that was included on the Sim.
Thanks to the new Hanger support system I feel that the Sim with its controllable hanger support with 30 seconds or less cool downs has a distinct advantage over the Bort and the Oddy that between the two of them can only muster 2 uncontrollable auxiliary support craft and a Saucer Section that have no ability to level up, are console bound and have crazy long cool downs.
I say scrap the console bound Auxiliary craft for both the Bort and the Oddy and rework the console to do something useful for both the vessels and then add the single hanger to both the Bort and the Oddy.
I laugh now that I recall that I scrapped my BOP console on my Bort about 10 minutes after getting the pack
I've said this in past topics on the Bort and I'll mention it again here:
I think the Bort would have been much better if it had a single Hanger that could launch up to two BOP or six Fighters.
I'd rather have two semi useable BOP that can improve over time with my Bort than one Console BOP that's completely useless, seems paper thin, can't level up and has a three minute cool down to boot.
In retrospect:
If the Scimitar is now considered to be the Romulan Flagship I think that both the Bort and the Oddy need to be reworked to include the single hanger mechanic that was included on the Sim.
Thanks to the new Hanger support system I feel that the Sim with its controllable hanger support with 30 seconds or less cool downs has a distinct advantage over the Bort and the Oddy that between the two of them can only muster 2 uncontrollable auxiliary support craft and a Saucer Section that have no ability to level up, are console bound and have crazy long cool downs.
I say scrap the console bound Auxiliary craft for both the Bort and the Oddy and rework the console to do something useful for both the vessels and then add the single hanger to both the Bort and the Oddy.
I laugh now that I recall that I scrapped my BOP console on my Bort about 10 minutes after getting the pack
Take it into consideration that many of us bought the Bortasqu' and Odyssey (I own both) strictly because they are cruisers. I didn't want a carrier, so I bought a cruiser. I would not appreciate turning my ship into a carrier, in fact - I'm fairly certain that if they ever do, they won't see another dime from me.
Take it into consideration that many of us bought the Bortasqu' and Odyssey (I own both) strictly because they are cruisers. I didn't want a carrier, so I bought a cruiser. I would not appreciate turning my ship into a carrier, in fact - I'm fairly certain that if they ever do, they won't see another dime from me.
I guess it all comes down to play style and preference.
Take it into consideration that many of us bought the Bortasqu' and Odyssey (I own both) strictly because they are cruisers. I didn't want a carrier, so I bought a cruiser. I would not appreciate turning my ship into a carrier, in fact - I'm fairly certain that if they ever do, they won't see another dime from me.
It won't be turning it into a carrier anymore than using the pet console does. Just don't slot any ships into the hangar slot if you don't want to use them. The scimitar didnt lose a weapon slot or anything for its single hanger so i don't see why the bort or ody should.
Take it into consideration that many of us bought the Bortasqu' and Odyssey (I own both) strictly because they are cruisers. I didn't want a carrier, so I bought a cruiser. I would not appreciate turning my ship into a carrier, in fact - I'm fairly certain that if they ever do, they won't see another dime from me.
The Scimitar can't really be considered a carrier, guys. It only has one hangar bay. This is pretty much only enough to launch a wing or two of craft to support it.
If anything, the Scimitar falls under the "Flight Deck Cruiser" designation, much like many of the Orion ships. It's a tank-ish ship with lots of firepower but middling maneuverability, that launches limited support craft.
Full-blown carriers in STO have much less firepower, and are much slower, but have more advanced abilities that you'd see on a science vessel, in addition to having two hangar bays as opposed to one.
The exception to this is the Kar'Fi Battle Carrier, which retains a significant amount of firepower and decent maneuverability, at the expense of more traditional carrier advanced facilities.
Adding a single hangar bay to the Oddysey or the Bortas wouldn't turn them into carriers. It'd make them Flight Deck Cruisers
It won't be turning it into a carrier anymore than using the pet console does. Just don't slot any ships into the hangar slot if you don't want to use them. The scimitar didnt lose a weapon slot or anything for its single hanger so i don't see why the bort or ody should.
Ah yes, the good old - if you don't like it, don't use it routine. :rolleyes: I already have it and enjoy it as it is, without the proposed "enhancements".
The point is - if I wanted to buy a carrier, or a flight-deck cruiser or whatever that can carry pets, I would have. Instead, I wanted a ship that can't do that and I bought that. Turning the ship I bought into the opposite of what I was looking for would royally TRIBBLE me off. I just want to get and keep what I paid for, without it being changed into something I don't want.
Ah yes, the good old - if you don't like it, don't use it routine. :rolleyes: I already have it and enjoy it as it is, without the proposed "enhancements".
The point is - if I wanted to buy a carrier, or a flight-deck cruiser or whatever that can carry pets, I would have. Instead, I wanted a ship that can't do that and I bought that. Turning the ship I bought into the opposite of what I was looking for would royally TRIBBLE me off. I just want to get and keep what I paid for, without it being changed into something I don't want.
Okay, I'm gonna go on the record here and say I personally think the Oddy and Bortas are just fine as they are. They don't need any "modifications" or "enhancements" to compete with the Scimitar.
That being said, you are sorely mistaken if you think you bought a ship that doesn't carry pets.
The Oddysey can launch a Chevron pet, Workbees, and an Aquarius class escort.
The Bortas has its fold-up Bird-of-Prey.
These ships already do the exact thing you claim you dislike, with the added disadvantage of their pets being generally uncontrollable, and having no way to monitor them nor issue them commands via the enhanced carrier UI, as technically, their pets are too specialized as opposed to being more generic fighter craft or frigates.
At the very least, they are benefiting from the new AI that makes all small craft avoid enemy warp core explosions. But that is literally the only benefit they received from the UI update.
So, yeah. You may want to carefully re-think your stance here. That, or space your Oddy right the hell now if you're so opposed to captaining a ship that launches support craft.
Okay, I'm gonna go on the record here and say I personally think the Oddy and Bortas are just fine as they are. They don't need any "modifications" or "enhancements" to compete with the Scimitar.
That being said, you are sorely mistaken if you think you bought a ship that doesn't carry pets.
The Oddysey can launch a Chevron pet, Workbees, and an Aquarius class escort.
The Bortas has its fold-up Bird-of-Prey.
These ships already do the exact thing you claim you dislike, with the added disadvantage of their pets being generally uncontrollable, and having no way to monitor them nor issue them commands via the enhanced carrier UI, as technically, their pets are too specialized as opposed to being more generic fighter craft or frigates.
At the very least, they are benefiting from the new AI that makes all small craft avoid enemy warp core explosions. But that is literally the only benefit they received from the UI update.
So, yeah. You may want to carefully re-think your stance here. That, or space your Oddy right the hell now if you're so opposed to captaining a ship that launches support craft.
Completely missing the point here. The point is that I purchased ships without hangars and I expect them to remain that way.
You can't keep a straight face and tell me that the chevron = hangar pets. Or the Aquarius/Hoh'sus for that matter. And the workbees are more of a Boff ability, they're not even targetable. They don't require aux to keep the comming faster. I don't need to keep my eye on them all of the time and issue commands for them. They don't need to level. I can't spam the hell out of them, they have a rather large cooldown. Plus they're integrated in the basic ship design, scorpion fighters for ex.- not so much. So no, it's not the same.
But again, the point here was that it's not acceptable something that people have bought, knowing it's stats and performance, be changed into something different.
And no, I'm not going to space my Oddy, nor Bortas, but maybe all of the complainers that want a hangar on a ship that was never intended to have one should see the error in their purchase and purchase something else that they'd actually like, since the Oddy/Bort without hangars does not cut it for them anymore.
The Scimitar can't really be considered a carrier, guys. It only has one hangar bay. This is pretty much only enough to launch a wing or two of craft to support it.
If anything, the Scimitar falls under the "Flight Deck Cruiser" designation, much like many of the Orion ships. It's a tank-ish ship with lots of firepower but middling maneuverability, that launches limited support craft.
Full-blown carriers in STO have much less firepower, and are much slower, but have more advanced abilities that you'd see on a science vessel, in addition to having two hangar bays as opposed to one.
The exception to this is the Kar'Fi Battle Carrier, which retains a significant amount of firepower and decent maneuverability, at the expense of more traditional carrier advanced facilities.
Adding a single hangar bay to the Oddysey or the Bortas wouldn't turn them into carriers. It'd make them Flight Deck Cruisers
True the Scimitar is more like an Advance Flight Deck WarBird.
You can't keep a straight face and tell me that the chevron = hangar pets. Or the Aquarius/Hoh'sus for that matter. And the workbees are more of a Boff ability, they're not even targetable. They don't require aux to keep the comming faster. I don't need to keep my eye on them all of the time and issue commands for them. They don't need to level. I can't spam the hell out of them, they have a rather large cooldown. Plus they're integrated in the basic ship design, scorpion fighters for ex.- not so much. So no, it's not the same.
Ya the pet consoles are poor imitations of hangar pets. We all bought ships with pets and some of us want a real and useful version. It's very much the same just that the console is a worse version of a hanger.
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Well....that's what happens when the devs. prefer using Twitter, Facebook and other social networks to announce such things rather than the game's own forum.
I'm fairly certain that I listened to a podcast here that had devs. explaining that the Scimitar is not the flagship and that there will be another ship for that role. I even remember them having a name for it, although I don't remeber what it was.
Guess they changed their mind on that one.
You're crushing dreams :P
I got into this subject with a fleetmate who insists the Scimitar is not the Romulan "flagship." I LOL'ed so hard... one of the biggest, baddest, most storyline-OP ships that has ever been made in Star Trek is NOT considered the flagship of the Romulans? The ship hits damn hard and *is* more maneuverable than the Odyssey and Bortasqu' series, *and* comes with Battlecloaks, *and* has some useful consoles, unlike most of the Odyssey and Bortasqu' consoles.
My fleetmate's final justification that the Scimitar package is not the flagship is that the Scimitar is not Engineer heavy... :P
I would like to see ships divided into 3 general categories; basic shipyard, c-store and fleet.
Every ship should exist in all 3 categories and be balanced against all categories.
Each category should have a specific bonus to make all 3 appealing but I have no suggestions for what those would be.
Indeed. Still think they should have named it 'Reman Dreadnought' being the center ship made by Remans & in a Reman Shipyard
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Except its been said over and over and over again, say it with me The...Scimitar...Is...Not...The...Republic...Flagship. Thescimitarisnottherepublicflagship. Scimitar the Republic flagship it is not.
In case you don't understand any of that the Scimitar isn't the same as the Bort and Oddy so it shouldn't be similar to a completely different ship...why don't we just make everything the same.
Every ship in the game will be like the Scimitar! Tac commander 5 forward and 3 rear weapons slots and a hanger!
The Bort and Oddy did get a new set bonus...it has had it since the Scimitar was released...another detail people don't pay attention to.
According to captaingecko it is the flagship though.
It just needs to be said once
https://twitter.com/CaptainGeko/status/360284250576125952
LOL ^ That folks, ends the argument here. Good post!
yeah, the problem is, the devs have said both now..but yeah that looks like the scimitar is now the flag ship. At first it looked like the Haakona was going to be the flag ship, then they said it wasn't, then the scimitar, then not, and now back to the scimitar lol. It's kind of a shame though, was hoping for more new ships.
How many times do you have to repeat it on one page before it gets through some Neutronium skulls?
Al Rivera is the ship man. People should have known this was the flagship from the start.
Anyways, the ship man himself stated it right there in twitter, so people need to except it and move on.
Scimitar IS THE FLAGSHIP.
yep, it's all set now. It will just take a while for people to find that info out. Lots of people don't read the forums or twitter or anything for that matter.
Of course the scim isn't eng heavy.....that's the falchion's role to be eng heavy.
bortas, funky thing, and fleet soverign are current STO flagships
cause sometimes its party time!
I hope it's a derivative of the D'deridex. Just like the federation flagship should be a derivative of the Galaxy Class.
Why would they make that ugly Reman prototype, that looks nothing like a Romulan ship, the Romulan flagship?
It doesn't not just look like a Romulan ship it doesn't look like a Federation/Romulan/Klingon starship with at least 2 warp engines out to the sides somewhere.
I totally understand what you're staying, but I'm not going off of what the ship is, I'm going off of what Al Rivera (aka CaptainGeko), who is STO's lead designer, says. I don't like that the scimitar is the Romulan Flagship, I wish it was the Haakona, but if Al Rivera says so, that's the way it is, because he is the lead designer.
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Then that is completely contradictory to what they've said in the past, I forgot what podcast it was on but they told Terilynn that there will be a Romulan flagship and the class will be named Lleiset, which means freedom in Rihan.
I don't follow tweets much less even have a twitter account so if they backtracked its not my fault.
Not that it matters to me one way or the other; however, I remember a Dev interview that was done in the last month or so by I believe Priority One where it was stated that the Scimitar was not the Romulan Flagship.
I love flying my Tulwar class with my Romulan Science Main, my weapons and auxiliary power are always at max and my shields and engines are near max most of the time.
The Scimitar 3 piece set is great across the board and with the right timing the Wave Motion Cannon can be quite useful :P
The Elite Romulan Drone Ships are a huge + if you can get them has they offer great DPS and can hold ARGO pretty well and now with the new level up mechanic their even better.
I cannot speak about the Oddy since I do not own the pack but I do own the Bort pack and IMO the Scimitar 3 pack is better than the Bort 3 pack.
I've said this in past topics on the Bort and I'll mention it again here:
I think the Bort would have been much better if it had a single Hanger that could launch up to two BOP or six Fighters.
I'd rather have two semi useable BOP that can improve over time with my Bort than one Console BOP that's completely useless, seems paper thin, can't level up and has a three minute cool down to boot.
In retrospect:
If the Scimitar is now considered to be the Romulan Flagship I think that both the Bort and the Oddy need to be reworked to include the single hanger mechanic that was included on the Sim.
Thanks to the new Hanger support system I feel that the Sim with its controllable hanger support with 30 seconds or less cool downs has a distinct advantage over the Bort and the Oddy that between the two of them can only muster 2 uncontrollable auxiliary support craft and a Saucer Section that have no ability to level up, are console bound and have crazy long cool downs.
I say scrap the console bound Auxiliary craft for both the Bort and the Oddy and rework the console to do something useful for both the vessels and then add the single hanger to both the Bort and the Oddy.
I laugh now that I recall that I scrapped my BOP console on my Bort about 10 minutes after getting the pack
Take it into consideration that many of us bought the Bortasqu' and Odyssey (I own both) strictly because they are cruisers. I didn't want a carrier, so I bought a cruiser. I would not appreciate turning my ship into a carrier, in fact - I'm fairly certain that if they ever do, they won't see another dime from me.
I guess it all comes down to play style and preference.
It won't be turning it into a carrier anymore than using the pet console does. Just don't slot any ships into the hangar slot if you don't want to use them. The scimitar didnt lose a weapon slot or anything for its single hanger so i don't see why the bort or ody should.
Then players would be defined into roles by profession instead of by what ship they want to fly.
But I guess everyone would just roll tacs.
The Scimitar can't really be considered a carrier, guys. It only has one hangar bay. This is pretty much only enough to launch a wing or two of craft to support it.
If anything, the Scimitar falls under the "Flight Deck Cruiser" designation, much like many of the Orion ships. It's a tank-ish ship with lots of firepower but middling maneuverability, that launches limited support craft.
Full-blown carriers in STO have much less firepower, and are much slower, but have more advanced abilities that you'd see on a science vessel, in addition to having two hangar bays as opposed to one.
The exception to this is the Kar'Fi Battle Carrier, which retains a significant amount of firepower and decent maneuverability, at the expense of more traditional carrier advanced facilities.
Adding a single hangar bay to the Oddysey or the Bortas wouldn't turn them into carriers. It'd make them Flight Deck Cruisers
Ah yes, the good old - if you don't like it, don't use it routine. :rolleyes: I already have it and enjoy it as it is, without the proposed "enhancements".
The point is - if I wanted to buy a carrier, or a flight-deck cruiser or whatever that can carry pets, I would have. Instead, I wanted a ship that can't do that and I bought that. Turning the ship I bought into the opposite of what I was looking for would royally TRIBBLE me off. I just want to get and keep what I paid for, without it being changed into something I don't want.
Okay, I'm gonna go on the record here and say I personally think the Oddy and Bortas are just fine as they are. They don't need any "modifications" or "enhancements" to compete with the Scimitar.
That being said, you are sorely mistaken if you think you bought a ship that doesn't carry pets.
The Oddysey can launch a Chevron pet, Workbees, and an Aquarius class escort.
The Bortas has its fold-up Bird-of-Prey.
These ships already do the exact thing you claim you dislike, with the added disadvantage of their pets being generally uncontrollable, and having no way to monitor them nor issue them commands via the enhanced carrier UI, as technically, their pets are too specialized as opposed to being more generic fighter craft or frigates.
At the very least, they are benefiting from the new AI that makes all small craft avoid enemy warp core explosions. But that is literally the only benefit they received from the UI update.
So, yeah. You may want to carefully re-think your stance here. That, or space your Oddy right the hell now if you're so opposed to captaining a ship that launches support craft.
Completely missing the point here. The point is that I purchased ships without hangars and I expect them to remain that way.
You can't keep a straight face and tell me that the chevron = hangar pets. Or the Aquarius/Hoh'sus for that matter. And the workbees are more of a Boff ability, they're not even targetable. They don't require aux to keep the comming faster. I don't need to keep my eye on them all of the time and issue commands for them. They don't need to level. I can't spam the hell out of them, they have a rather large cooldown. Plus they're integrated in the basic ship design, scorpion fighters for ex.- not so much. So no, it's not the same.
But again, the point here was that it's not acceptable something that people have bought, knowing it's stats and performance, be changed into something different.
And no, I'm not going to space my Oddy, nor Bortas, but maybe all of the complainers that want a hangar on a ship that was never intended to have one should see the error in their purchase and purchase something else that they'd actually like, since the Oddy/Bort without hangars does not cut it for them anymore.
True the Scimitar is more like an Advance Flight Deck WarBird.
Ya the pet consoles are poor imitations of hangar pets. We all bought ships with pets and some of us want a real and useful version. It's very much the same just that the console is a worse version of a hanger.