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madmopar
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Would like to see these two dreadnought/flagships get an update to be on par with the scimitar. Would like to see both pet consoles removed and replaced by a new one, possibly a copy of the shield absorption frequency generator so both fed and kdf can use it. The bortas would have to'duj fighters and the BoP pets and the ody would get the fed equivalents. I think these changes and the addition of that console would reignite some of the interest in the ships resulting in more sales.
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That is kind of scary, isn't it? :eek:
You cannot compare them because as others have said, the Ody and Bortas are flagships, the Scimitar, is not.
If you go this route, then I want everything the Kumari has on my Scimitar as well.
I think they are very comparable by being cruiser three pack ships. Right now the scimitar would still outclass the bort as and ody even with the update I suggested.
Again this isn't about wanting everything that one ship has. The pet consoles are clumsy and would just be better off as a hanger. The shield absorption console is just popular and makes sense to allow others access to it like they did with the leech console.
Why do you think that these ships need an update?? Just because the romulans get something you feel that the feds need to get a new shiny too? Dont the feds have enough ships as it is?
What would make the Romulans unique if the feds/kdf get everything they do?
What makes you think that PWE is going to update ships that have been sold to most of the playerbase already? There is no money in that. All those man hours to go into updating existing ships would not payoff because everyone pretty owns them already.
If you want scimitar like stats, level a romulan, buy the ship, enjoy.
If they want to sell X ship for Z price, they need to make it comparable to Y ship that also sells for Z price.
X doesn't have to have everything that Y does, shouldn't have everything that Y does - likewise, Y shouldn't have everything X has...but they should be comparable.
I support an update on the older Cstore ship, they are subpar with everything the game have to offer now. However, making a Scimitar version for fed and KDF is stupid. The Fed have a signature ship : the Vesta. Also the Kumari. The KDF need one, but it shouldn't be the Bortasqu'.
I know the Vesta and the Kumari are not the same as a Scimitar, doesn't mean they are bad. The Vesta is one of the most powerful sci ship in the game, and the Kumari is an amazing escort.
If you want to play a scimitar like ship as a fed, play with an armitage. Higher turn rate, less squishy, for the cost of a forward weapon slot, and a useless thalaron aoe.
Iif they do that, they should make a new 3-pack ship for you to purchase.
I don't play fed but that doesn't mean I don't see that the ody could use an update.
How is updating the bortas and ody taking something away from the romulans? I didn't suggest a thalaron pulse ability, an extra forward weapon, a shield while cloaked console, or a console that lets you attack while cloaked. Considering romulans get access to almost all fed/kdf consoles asking to share a console off a level 20 ship isn't asking much.
PWE already updated the bort and ody recently giving them a three console bonus, so its not unheard of. Again I didn't suggest scimitar stats, and I don't want them for the bortas. I have a max level rom and own the scimitar three pack. I posted this out of wanting the other ships brought up to par (which is why I mentioned the ody, a ship I don't own in a faction I don't play) for balance.
What I suggested hardly makes them into new ships worth a new three pack. Its nothing more than just quality of life changes except the addition of that console to replace the pet ones.
Brought up to par? I wasn't aware the oddy and bort were lacking, infact I know someone who flys a very powerful bort.
Bleed Green and Gold
Didn't ask for more tac consoles or anything related to dps other than ditching the clumsy pet console and adding a hanger in its place, which just makes more sense. I don't know about the ody but the bortas bop with the three piece bonus is weaker than a single hanger version of a bop while having a three minute cd. You also have no control over it which is the big quality of life issue. Adding a single hanger fixes all those issues.
ok let me be clearer in my opinion. oddy is fine and leave my pet alone i like it
There are non combat space pets that will follow you around and don't take up a console slot. No good reason to not add a hanger to the ships and lose the clumsy console pet.
However I'm not using the Aquarius console - because this pet is very weak. Any other console is better than the Aquarius. The 3 pack bonus is also weak imho - definitely not worth for 3 console slots.
Anyway with good equipment and good skills it is a monster: it has a very good DPS and and it can survive hell. Console / bridge officer layout is good - in fact it is the best fed cruiser layout imho. Just forget the Odyssey consoles.
^^ This.
Refitted my oddy (tac) about a month ago, if i have to choose between my "best-skillset ROM with escort" or my "need-some-touches skillset FED with Oddy" i choose my fed every day
No need for 3-pack consoles, certainly no need for hanger (when they add a hanger, they nerf something else).
I've posted in the exploding scimitar bug thread. Mine has had the same issue with the hull just suddenly exploding. Blowing up under a slight breeze is a bug not a feature though.
Bold statement. Better at what?
Don't really fly my Oddy, but since the Squishytar is STILL bugged i'd imagine the Oddy at least beats it in survivability. Doubtful when it comes to DPS.... if you manage to keep the Scimitar alive that is.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
One of many reminders that i'm not a REAL Romulan. >_<
At being a large cruiser/battleship. Frankly, if you want a Rom ship to tank in use the Haakona. If you want a dps ship use the Mogai or Ha'feh.
Its not even the best ship in the Romulan Flotilla.
Compared to the Ody, its squishy, its power levels are low, its not good at pressure. If you couldn't stealth away with shields up the thing would be almost useless.
I have both the Ody 3-piece and the Scimi 3-piece on equally geared toons and I don't think the Scimi comes close to the Ody. I've already parked the Scimi in favour of the other ships I listed above.
Its a cool ship and its a fun ship but its not better than the Ody imho.
That being said, its not even a direct comparable to the Ody so I'm not sure if this is even relevant.
Scimitar has about 20 less power when all is said and done, and even without the leech you can pretty much cap power levels in it with certain builds.
Aside from the bugs that make it squishy, the ody only has slightly more shield and hull while the scimitar has access to valdore console, secondary shield, warp shadows, and sing absorption. Cloak isn't to run away it gives a damage, defense and turn rate boost. My scimitar has a turn rate of 24 after cloak and it lasts 25 seconds.
This is completely off topic but you really under estimate the scimitar other than the current bug issue.
If they do that, and even make a "fleet version" with extra hull, new texture and hull with a new console layout, then COUNT ME IN!
I hope STO get's better ...
1. The Scimitar is not the Romulan flagship. That has been said on more than one ocassion. Expect the Romulan flagship, when it comes, to have similar stats/setup to the Odyssey/Bortasqu', just as those 2 have similar stats and setup.
2. The Odyssey and Bortasqu' were already buffed when the Scimitar was released. The 3-piece set bonus they had is now 2-piece set bonus and the 3-piece set gives you:
-Odyssey: the separated chevron gains gravity well III and it's own work bees.
-Bortasqu': the Hoh'sus gains it's own disruptor autocannon and canon rapid fire or torpedo spread III (I'n not sure which one atm)
3. Stop asking to make all ships in STO carriers. They better not slap a hangar on my Bortasqu' or I'll nuke 'em from orbit!
I've had the Bortasqu' for over a year now. It's still my 'go to' ship, I wouldn't change it for anything. I just recently acquired the Odyssey as well. So far I'm loving the big gal almost as my Bortas. Both are perfectly fine.
Actually it is the Romulan Flagship
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