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Phase-Cloak Pegasus / Oberth Retrofit
macronius
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Yeah I said it! I want an Oberth Retrofit / Pegasus C-store ship. Scale it up in size and it comes with a phase-cloak console that works in battle. While phase-cloak is ON you can't fire weapons and it drains power so you can't fire for 3-4 secs while you are decloaking. Phase-cloak boosts science damage by 50% after decloak for 10-15 secs.
I am having a blast trolling feds and roms with my torpedo-t'varo but Feds need something to compete too. Oberth is a science ship so DPS is severely nerfed. Make the phase cloak have a long cool down or have it drain power so weapons can't be fired immediately after cloaking like I said. BC stays in the hands of Klinks / Roms.
Ships is immune to torpedo and energy weapons after phase-cloak cycle is complete ... say 3-4 secs. Cryptic ... the gantlet has been thrown!
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This is more than about Pegasus. It is about giving the Feds a cool new weapon. Btw I am a Rom / Klink focused player and I welcome the challenge. Tired of failed Fed toons who can't compete and I want to give them a fighting chance.
I am having a blast trolling feds and roms with my torpedo-t'varo but Feds need something to compete too. Oberth is a science ship so DPS is severely nerfed. Make the phase cloak have a long cool down or have it drain power so weapons can't be fired immediately after cloaking like I said. BC stays in the hands of Klinks / Roms.
Ships is immune to torpedo and energy weapons after phase-cloak cycle is complete ... say 3-4 secs. Cryptic ... the gantlet has been thrown!
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This is more than about Pegasus. It is about giving the Feds a cool new weapon. Btw I am a Rom / Klink focused player and I welcome the challenge. Tired of failed Fed toons who can't compete and I want to give them a fighting chance.
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- Judge Aaron Satie
- Judge Aaron Satie
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interesting idea though... But as a Phase Cloak, it should allow the ship to pass through things like asteroids.
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Interesting idea. Would be something different from just another cloak. Oberth Retrofit FTW!
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The phased part actually exists in-game. Kar'fi Battle Carrier has Phase-Shift Generator. I would like it to stay exclusive to the Kar'fi. . .
I don't really see a use for it on STO, except for Ker'rat. You could go through everything there, but then, what's the point.
Don't forget about the Phase thingy off of the tier 4 D'd refit.
May have failed on the Pegasus, but it worked on the Enterprise. And this is how many years after that? They could have dug up that old project again and improved the design.
And it would work on an Oberth Retrofit.
since rommie stuff is available for both sides, your same ship can be flown fed as well - so they do have something to compete with it.
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Yeah you said it OP. So did 16547 players before you on a weekly basis in the forums. So....nothing special you did here, in that regard.
I'm trolling everything in a T'Varo. As a main KDF I allied my Romulan with the Federation and I can tell you that there's not much even the Klingon players can do against a fully outifted T'varo, cloaks or no cloaks. That's power creep for ya'.
The state of the PvP is essentialy broken. Giving Feds. cloak won't change that. You can give Feds. Voth City Ships and Borg Cubes and that still won't change a thing. There will always be fail builds, actually give them cloak and there will be even more fail builds.
From canon it changed the molecular arrangement of the ship so that it could pass through solid matter.
Therefore after the phase cloak was active the ship would be immune to any weapons fired, even heavy torpedoes in transit.
It would be immune to most conventional attacks including attacks designed to de-cloak ships
It would be immune to warp core breaches not singularity core breaches I'll explain this later.
As stated we do not just want another cloaking attack ship so this should be a science ship and it should be a science version of the B'rel Retrofit or the T'varo except as has been stated the ship should suffer some sort of conventional weapons penalty while cloaked/phased and or a period after coming out of cloak.
Something like 50% penalty to weapon power for 5 seconds on exiting cloak.
However as a science ship, while cloaked it should receive a decent bonus to science skills and instead of firing torpedoes while cloaked like the other two ships it should be able to use science abilities like Gravity well and Tykens Rift more explanation on that later as well.
So the ship seems invincible so far and that is a little unbalanced so here is its Achilles heel just like the B'rel and Tvaro when firing torpedoes they become visible for a short time so should the Orbeth however most science skills have a slightly longer firing animation than torpedoes so the Orbeth would be vulnerable for just that slight second. It should also become visible if it gets too close to its own Well's or rifts, something about the exotic particles exiting the inter-phase cloak like when Geordie exploded that phaser
Although phased it is immune to most conventional attacks it should have a paper thin hull and a massive shield modifier so when it is cloaked it can be easily destroyed. Being phased it would not be immune to things that heavily impacted subspace or crossed several dimensions like Gravity. So it would still take damage from Gravity Wells, Tykens Rifts, Singularity Jumps/Implosions, It could be argued that Tractor Beams should still work as they have a gravitational element, and it should probably still be susceptible to charged particle burst but I have not thought of an Argument for that yet.
As someone already said it should be the Orbeth Retrofit- Pegasus Class and it should be something like this
Hull: 18000
Shield Modifier 1.5
Weapons: 3 fore and 3 Aft, No cannons
Crew: 200
Bridge Crew: Commander Science, Leftenant Commander Universal, Leftenant Engineering, Leftenant Tactical and Ensign Science
Device Slots: 3
Console Slots: 2 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 4 Science
Turn Rate: 15
Impulse Modifier: 0.2
Inertia Rating: 50
Bonus Power: +15 Aux
Subsystem Targeting
Sensor Analysis
Federation Combat Inter-phase Cloak (Inbuilt hence the 9 console layout)
I like this idea a lot. Also because science power are pretty weak ... Even with a buff it would be far from OP.
- Judge Aaron Satie
PvP will never be balanced. Like I said I troll in a t'varo and I think it's time to give Feds their own troll ship. It may not be unique idea but it sure would be a fun ship. I suspect it would sell as well.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Feds. are not trolls, they're the white knights in shining armor.
Thanks for the feedback
The T'Varo is the Federation troll ship. Any two-bit Fed PvPer can level a Romulan aligned with Fed side, get a T'Varo, and 'troll'.
- Judge Aaron Satie
You missed the posts and point - Rom and KDF already have this.
D'd refit and the Kar'fi ships both have a phase console.
The D'd one can be equipped to ANY warbird (I have mine on my Scim for when I want to pulse - as AUX still works and I cannot be hurt while the console is on)
The Kar'fi one is that ship only.
So, the point is, roll a Rom - choose faction, get phase console and done
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The Genesis Torpedo wouldn't work because it wasn't designed as a weapon and it was meant for use on planets.
A Dyson Sphere might make an appearance at some point in the future.
Tinman... that one is... no idea how to respond to that one.
Just telling someone to "Roll *Insert faction here*" comes across as rather crass in my eyes. This thread was made to discuss ideas on an Oberth retrofit with a Pegasus cloak. And I saw some pretty decent ideas. Also... it would be an example of parallel devlopment of a technology. Just like everyone has Transporters, it is plausable that a Phase Cloak can be developed seperately by a faction. Maybe Section 31 got their hands on the Pegasus Cloak, and updated it when war broke out.
That treaty went out the airlock the second Romulas and the Romulan empire was destroyed. In STO there is no Romulan empire and thus there is NO treaty. The old empire is just the Tal Shiar now and I dont think the federation gives one hoot about how they feel one way or another.
Canon wise the phase cloak should have been fed and not Romulan or KDF, they have Battle cloak or atleast all of them should have one including my Vo'Quv and its pets. Phase cloak should have been complete imunity to damage, cloaked, and able to pass through anything. But Not able to be used in combat and no spike damage bonus when decloaking.
That would have a benifit, a negative, and make it somewhat useless like the cloak fed have on 2 ships.
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If that were the case then every time a new government came to power in anywhere all treaties became void. Do you even understand elementary poitics?
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Ribbush, everal treaties made between the Soviet Union and various other states, like the U.S. and Germany (back then only West Germany) are still in effect today even though the SU itself no longer exists.
I understand politics do you?
But the Rommies STILL DO EXSIST - I know, I have one in my character list !!!!!!
As long as 1 Rom is still alive, no matter who they are, the treaty is still in force. The moment any member world in the Fed break this treaty, it opens up all the member worlds of the Fed to be questioned over how many more treaties will be broken - all trust will be lost, the Fed then falls apart, the KDF win the war and you all end up as slaves to the KDF until the Borg get hold of everyone.
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