I'll have to make this quick as I'm off out, but I say throw the Cardassians into the Romulan Republic (rename the entire faction to suit). That's a choice of two free ships per level (up to level 50) and more playable species (Cardassian/Romulan/Reman/Renegade Vorta/Renegade Jem Hadar).
Early missions are specific to whether you're a Cardassian or Romulan, then later missions are more universal. Otherwise, I vote against the Cardassians until the Romulans become truly independent. I don't really want another half faction; I wouldn't play them (as I'm not playing the Romulans).
I'll have to make this quick as I'm off out, but I say throw the Cardassians into the Romulan Republic (rename the entire faction to suit). That's a choice of two free ships per level (up to level 50) and more playable species (Cardassian/Romulan/Reman/Renegade Vorta/Renegade Jem Hadar).
Early missions are specific to whether you're a Cardassian or Romulan, then later missions are more universal. Otherwise, I vote against the Cardassians until the Romulans become truly independent. I don't really want another half faction; I wouldn't play them (as I'm not playing the Romulans).
I can pretty much guarantee you that you won't be playing the Romulans for a veeeeeeeeeery long time then.
Cardassians as their own faction? Naah, I'll pass. Klingons aren't really complete. Rommies only half done and then thrown at us with only half the support a half faction needed to get off the ground successfully from launch. It's improved now, sure, but there are still too many things which detract from the experience because they don't work quite right. Yet. And this isn't intended as a shot across anyone's bow, either. How about somebody fix what we've already got and make sure it works as advertised. After this, we'll think about a new playable faction.
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So since the Cardassians are more closely tied with the Federation than the Klingons, would there be another KDF-allied faction, or would story be introduced to explain why some Cardassians might seek out KDF support instead of Fed?
I've thought that the Cardassians and Gorn share some story similarities in STO. Both have suffered a military loss that has left a rebel faction struggling to restore the 'old order'. Both are strongly tied to one of the major powers (fed and kdf). So could a rebel gorn/True Way alliance to 'restore' their exiled governments lead to an intertwined story expansion?
It's probably more likely that the story be updated to explain why cardassians would work with Klingons. Maybe the Federation can't focus on the True Way with all the other conflicts, but doesn't support giving the Cardassians back a true military. Not that the Klingons would either, but they might be more willing to strike hard against targets without worrying about consequences. So desperate Cardassians might turn to the Klingons for a more expedient solution to the True Way problem.
Take a look at my Foundry missions! Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
Cardassians as their own faction? Naah, I'll pass. Klingons aren't really complete. Rommies only half done and then thrown at us with only half the support a half faction needed to get off the ground successfully from launch. It's improved now, sure, but there are still too many things which detract from the experience because they don't work quite right. Yet. And this isn't intended as a shot across anyone's bow, either. How about somebody fix what we've already got and make sure it works as advertised. After this, we'll think about a new playable faction.
Feds aren't acrually a complete faction either so this is just biz as usual.
I can't imagine a cardassian faction. They were decimated in the end of the Dominion war, their military is a shadow of itself. They can't build another one, because the others power of the Quadrant forbid it. They suffered great territory and civilians losses. Their governement is barely stable, and they have a civil war on their hand.
They would make a lot more sense as a new federation member, or at least having Cardassian in Starfleet, as an officer exchange. They are already a protectorate after all.
But do we need another faction ? Fed, Klingon and Romulan are the 3 most important powers of the Quadrant, and they appear in every ST TV show at least once. Even in Voyager. I agree they need to add more playable species, but more faction ? I'm not sure about that.
I think it'll be great if it's implemented much like the OP said, other than only allying with the Feds. I think there should be some tension between the Detapa Council and the Federation that would be created by all of the True Way attacks and the Federation's inability to protect them. The Detapa Council wants their military back but the UFP is adamantly against allowing that, and the KDF (rather opportunistically) offers to help the Cardassians rebuild their military in exchange for joining team red, which forces team blue to make a similar offer. Bam! You've got the option to ally with either.
I think they should be able to do it in about the same amount of time as it took for LoR. They don't have to overhaul the UI and the character creator or finish out the KDF. However, they will have to do a lot more work with ships, as there are only 3 canon Cardassian ships (one of which would probably be utilized as a runabout).
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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Well I put it in as Fed aligned since Cardassians and Klingons are bitter enemies. They could give us our own starbases that would have to be physical replicas of Terrok Norr which would be awesome. This would solve the whole allegiance problem. You have to keep in mind that according to the STO course of events the Cardassians can barely stand on there own 2 feet. They are rebuilding after there defeat in the Dominion war.
The blood between Romulans and Klingons wasn't as bad as if not worse? It was Klingons who started the whole thing with attacking Cardassians, granted siding with the Dominion didn't help things but in the end the Cardassians helped win the war.
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They were decimated in the end of the Dominion war, their military is a shadow of itself. They can't build another one, because the others power of the Quadrant forbid it. They suffered great territory and civilians losses. Their governement is barely stable, and they have a civil war on their hand.
Sounds pretty much excatly like the state the Romulans we're currently playing were in...
Imho the Cardassians would make the next logical faction next to the Ferengi. Easy to implement, lots of costumes, architecture, ships, lore (including an unresolved storyline), people, history etc... already established and even partially ingame, plus both are popular.
One of the problems might be how not to TRIBBLE off people who have paid lots of money to get those galors out of a lockbox...
People also need to get off the "I want a real third faction". While it would have been nice, STO doesn't have the player base to cope with 3 or even more factions. There are reasons why 99% of MMOs out there only have 2 factions and are rather introducing subfactions, species and classes for the existing ones. It just won't happen, no matter how much people will scream, cry, kick and whine...
Of all the Cardassians we have seen, Elim Garak may be the only one who is genuinely likeable, and even he has hidden motives and occasional displays of less-than-likeable behavior.
Idk about a cardassian faction. i never really got into liking the cardassions.
I found them annoying in DS9, even if DS9 was near bajor and cardassia.
I admit their ships looks cool, but i just dont like their personality. Now, i realize that is an opinion, and i have no problem with them becoming a faction, but i may just not play them as much.
honestly, said in another thread, i think a civilian faction of some sort would attract me more.
So since the Cardassians are more closely tied with the Federation than the Klingons, would there be another KDF-allied faction, or would story be introduced to explain why some Cardassians might seek out KDF support instead of Fed?
I've thought that the Cardassians and Gorn share some story similarities in STO. Both have suffered a military loss that has left a rebel faction struggling to restore the 'old order'. Both are strongly tied to one of the major powers (fed and kdf). So could a rebel gorn/True Way alliance to 'restore' their exiled governments lead to an intertwined story expansion?
It's probably more likely that the story be updated to explain why cardassians would work with Klingons. Maybe the Federation can't focus on the True Way with all the other conflicts, but doesn't support giving the Cardassians back a true military. Not that the Klingons would either, but they might be more willing to strike hard against targets without worrying about consequences. So desperate Cardassians might turn to the Klingons for a more expedient solution to the True Way problem.
Well in one of the system patrols in Cardassian space the true way are attempting to seek out a alliance with the kdf and you have to repel the Klingon ships to prevent it so you never know.
So since the Cardassians are more closely tied with the Federation than the Klingons, would there be another KDF-allied faction, or would story be introduced to explain why some Cardassians might seek out KDF support instead of Fed?
Actually, it can easily be tuned in to work just like the Romulans.
Starfleet is suposed to protect and monitor Cardassian space because by the post DW treaty the Cardassian Union is not allowed to maintain their own space fleet. Now, the Federation is at all out war on all fronts, so they may not be able to babysit the Cardassian space any more. Furthermore, the new government on Cardassia Prime led by the Detapa Council has gained favor in the eyes of the Federation and considered to be an ally, so they decide to render the treaty void and let the Cardassians re-build their space forces so Starfleet can relocate their Starships where they need them.
Without Federation presence and only starting to rebuild the fleet - the True Way sees that as an opportunity to strike and try to take control. Thus, we have the new nemessis, similar to the Tal'Shiar in the case of the Romulan Republic. So, the Detapa Council decides to play it nice with all the major powers, hoping to gain support in the war against the True Way and that's where the KDF steps in. After years of the Union being close to the Federation, Jmpok wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to have the Cardassians neutral just like the Romulans and would offer a helping hand. Boom - now the Cardassians can ally with both main factions.
I can't imagine a cardassian faction. They were decimated in the end of the Dominion war, their military is a shadow of itself. They can't build another one, because the others power of the Quadrant forbid it. They suffered great territory and civilians losses. Their governement is barely stable, and they have a civil war on their hand.
They would make a lot more sense as a new federation member, or at least having Cardassian in Starfleet, as an officer exchange. They are already a protectorate after all.
What other powers forbid the Cardassians to start building a new fleet? The only thing keeping them from starting mass production of starships is the treaty that was made between the Detapa Council and the Federation. If the Federation decides that the Cardassians have reformed enough to take care of themselves they'll allow it. It's strictly between the Federation and the Cardassian Union. That's the main of the powers that won the Dominion War. The other 2:
RSE is dead so they are irrelevant.
The Klingon Empire is at war with the Federation, so the Feds. can consider any agreements they had with them void.
IDK what other major powers are rellevant besides these 3. The Breen and the Tholians are not being asked anything. The Ferengi Alliance, if you can consider them a major power, are already cooperating with the Cardassian government and selling them dilithium crystals that can be used in starship construction.
Imho the Cardassians would make the next logical faction next to the Ferengi. Easy to implement, lots of costumes, architecture, ships, lore (including an unresolved storyline), people, history etc... already established and even partially ingame, plus both are popular.
They are the next logical choice if any more factions would be added. The Ferengi won't be a faction because we have playable Ferengi as part of the Federation as oposed to no options of creating real Cardassians yet.
One of the problems might be how not to TRIBBLE off people who have paid lots of money to get those galors out of a lockbox...
That's easy - Make the Galor Retrofit offered to the Cardassian faction much more powerfull, stick a high price of 2.5 k Zen and offer the upgrade of the present Galor to this new more powerfull one for free to those who have one.
Yeah, I mentioned Elim Garak as an exception to the two-dimensional villain portrayal most Cardassians get:
I know, but he's my all time favourite Star Trek character so I had to point him out! :cool:
However, I really don't consider Gul Dukat to be two-dimensional and neither were Natima Lang, Legate Damar, the two Cardassian scientists that were spying for the Obsidian Order on DS9 that I can't remember their names atm, nor Aamin Marritza or Tekeny Ghemor in that regard. Far from two-dimensional, I consider the Cardassians to be the biggest enigma.
Actually, it can easily be tuned in to work just like the Romulans.
Starfleet is suposed to protect and monitor Cardassian space because by the post DW treaty the Cardassian Union is not allowed to maintain their own space fleet. Now, the Federation is at all out war on all fronts, so they may not be able to babysit the Cardassian space any more. Furthermore, the new government on Cardassia Prime led by the Detapa Council has gained favor in the eyes of the Federation and considered to be an ally, so they decide to render the treaty void and let the Cardassians re-build their space forces so Starfleet can relocate their Starships where they need them.
Without Federation presence and only starting to rebuild the fleet - the True Way sees that as an opportunity to strike and try to take control. Thus, we have the new nemessis, similar to the Tal'Shiar in the case of the Romulan Republic. So, the Detapa Council decides to play it nice with all the major powers, hoping to gain support in the war against the True Way and that's where the KDF steps in. After years of the Union being close to the Federation, Jmpok wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to have the Cardassians neutral just like the Romulans and would offer a helping hand. Boom - now the Cardassians can ally with both main factions.
I agree with this too. This is another way in which it could work.
However, I really don't consider Gul Dukat to be two-dimensional and neither were Natima Lang, Legate Damar, the two Cardassian scientists that were spying for the Obsidian Order on DS9 that I can't remember their names atm, nor Aamin Marritza or Tekeny Ghemor in that regard. Far from two-dimensional, I consider the Cardassians to be the biggest enigma.
I thought Ocett was a pretty interesting character too. You probably forgot her because she was one of the Cardies in TNG.
Granted that I was hoping and waiting for Romulans as playable since the day I joined (pre-f2p) and even bought a lifetime sub in hopes that it would happen eventually and I'd definitely be able to play when that time came, I'm not sure about other playable factions.
I would've liked for the Romulans to have had more of an independent standing, but I understand why they made the choice they made both from a game mechanics point and gameverse point. I do still hope for some future exclusive content for each of the current factions. In fact, I'd rather see dev efforts put more towards fixing the content balance KDF side is still hurting even with the revisions and changes they've done since the early days of the game.
Going from Trek canon, I'd see it more reasonable to allow a playable Cardassian race in the choices for making a character at this time given current game resources.
Idk about a cardassian faction. i never really got into liking the cardassions.
I found them annoying in DS9, even if DS9 was near bajor and cardassia.
I admit their ships looks cool, but i just dont like their personality. Now, i realize that is an opinion, and i have no problem with them becoming a faction, but i may just not play them as much.
honestly, said in another thread, i think a civilian faction of some sort would attract me more.
Well you also have to consider they've changed since DS9, honestly in a lot of ways I would consider them sorta like a weaker version of the Romulan Republic. I mean they seem to be trying to genuinely change, the True Way is their version of the Tal Shiar...trying to keep the old ways going by force.
They should work on bugs and endgame, both PvE and PvP...but that doesn't mean they can't start working on some ideas in the background for a new faction months and or years from now.
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Not for any canonical reasons but purely from an MMO standpoint.
Every new faction further divides the community, if we flood this game with mini factions representing every major and minor power in Star Trek, you'll have at the end of the line nothing more then watered down mini-clubs with 10 people active each.
Most MMO's with factions tend to stick with either two or three, STO currently being 2 and a half essentially.
The need to Ally with one of the 2 main factions, as the Romulans have to, pretty much make the water down effect moot.
I expect at least 2 more factions added over time, Cardassian and Liberated Borg.
If the Dominion aren't linked to the Cardassians, they might come in as their own faction at some point. I see Undine as a very very remote possibility as well.
I thought Ocett was a pretty interesting character too. You probably forgot her because she was one of the Cardies in TNG.
I agree. I probably forgot to mention her because you did in a post before the one I made with a link and all, so subconsciosly I considered it covered. Or I might have enetered a perpetual DS9 loop myself. :eek: :P
Granted that I was hoping and waiting for Romulans as playable since the day I joined (pre-f2p) and even bought a lifetime sub in hopes that it would happen eventually and I'd definitely be able to play when that time came, I'm not sure about other playable factions.
I would've liked for the Romulans to have had more of an independent standing, but I understand why they made the choice they made both from a game mechanics point and gameverse point. I do still hope for some future exclusive content for each of the current factions. In fact, I'd rather see dev efforts put more towards fixing the content balance KDF side is still hurting even with the revisions and changes they've done since the early days of the game.
Going from Trek canon, I'd see it more reasonable to allow a playable Cardassian race in the choices for making a character at this time given current game resources.
I agree. A lot of work needs to be done but at some point a playable cardie faction in some form would be great.
I still say that should expand upon The Republic and join them with the Cardassians. You'd get the best of both worlds (Rom & Cardie) and there could be potential to expand away from the FED/KDF alliances. With the Romulan Civilians and Cardassian Civilians working together and looking out for each other, they wouldn't need to rely so much on the Federation or Klingon Defence Force. Their primary opposition would be the Tal Shiar and True Way (the latter of which we know will be crushed).
Of all the Cardassians we have seen, Elim Garak may be the only one who is genuinely likeable, and even he has hidden motives and occasional displays of less-than-likeable behavior.
What about Dukat's daughter? I know she was only half Cardassian, but you can't get much more... innocent than that.
There was also that team of scientists that visited DS9 that one time; they didn't seem... typical. The problem is, most of the Cardassians we've seen have been from the Military, and they've all got to follow certain protocol.
I can pretty much guarantee you that you won't be playing the Romulans for a veeeeeeeeeery long time then.
I fully expect you to be right about this.
I created and played a Romulan when LoR first came about; I finished all of the Romulan-specific missions, and then everything was the same as what I'd been doing before so I ended up deleting the character. If Cryptic want me to play as a Romulan, they need to give me a reason to do so (end game).
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Early missions are specific to whether you're a Cardassian or Romulan, then later missions are more universal. Otherwise, I vote against the Cardassians until the Romulans become truly independent. I don't really want another half faction; I wouldn't play them (as I'm not playing the Romulans).
I can pretty much guarantee you that you won't be playing the Romulans for a veeeeeeeeeery long time then.
I've thought that the Cardassians and Gorn share some story similarities in STO. Both have suffered a military loss that has left a rebel faction struggling to restore the 'old order'. Both are strongly tied to one of the major powers (fed and kdf). So could a rebel gorn/True Way alliance to 'restore' their exiled governments lead to an intertwined story expansion?
It's probably more likely that the story be updated to explain why cardassians would work with Klingons. Maybe the Federation can't focus on the True Way with all the other conflicts, but doesn't support giving the Cardassians back a true military. Not that the Klingons would either, but they might be more willing to strike hard against targets without worrying about consequences. So desperate Cardassians might turn to the Klingons for a more expedient solution to the True Way problem.
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They would make a lot more sense as a new federation member, or at least having Cardassian in Starfleet, as an officer exchange. They are already a protectorate after all.
But do we need another faction ? Fed, Klingon and Romulan are the 3 most important powers of the Quadrant, and they appear in every ST TV show at least once. Even in Voyager. I agree they need to add more playable species, but more faction ? I'm not sure about that.
I think they should be able to do it in about the same amount of time as it took for LoR. They don't have to overhaul the UI and the character creator or finish out the KDF. However, they will have to do a lot more work with ships, as there are only 3 canon Cardassian ships (one of which would probably be utilized as a runabout).
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
The blood between Romulans and Klingons wasn't as bad as if not worse? It was Klingons who started the whole thing with attacking Cardassians, granted siding with the Dominion didn't help things but in the end the Cardassians helped win the war.
Sounds pretty much excatly like the state the Romulans we're currently playing were in...
Imho the Cardassians would make the next logical faction next to the Ferengi. Easy to implement, lots of costumes, architecture, ships, lore (including an unresolved storyline), people, history etc... already established and even partially ingame, plus both are popular.
One of the problems might be how not to TRIBBLE off people who have paid lots of money to get those galors out of a lockbox...
People also need to get off the "I want a real third faction". While it would have been nice, STO doesn't have the player base to cope with 3 or even more factions. There are reasons why 99% of MMOs out there only have 2 factions and are rather introducing subfactions, species and classes for the existing ones. It just won't happen, no matter how much people will scream, cry, kick and whine...
Yeah, I mentioned Elim Garak as an exception to the two-dimensional villain portrayal most Cardassians get:
Idk about a cardassian faction. i never really got into liking the cardassions.
I found them annoying in DS9, even if DS9 was near bajor and cardassia.
I admit their ships looks cool, but i just dont like their personality. Now, i realize that is an opinion, and i have no problem with them becoming a faction, but i may just not play them as much.
honestly, said in another thread, i think a civilian faction of some sort would attract me more.
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For the love of god and every thing that is holy. NOOOOOOOOO.
Well in one of the system patrols in Cardassian space the true way are attempting to seek out a alliance with the kdf and you have to repel the Klingon ships to prevent it so you never know.
lol just lol
Actually, it can easily be tuned in to work just like the Romulans.
Starfleet is suposed to protect and monitor Cardassian space because by the post DW treaty the Cardassian Union is not allowed to maintain their own space fleet. Now, the Federation is at all out war on all fronts, so they may not be able to babysit the Cardassian space any more. Furthermore, the new government on Cardassia Prime led by the Detapa Council has gained favor in the eyes of the Federation and considered to be an ally, so they decide to render the treaty void and let the Cardassians re-build their space forces so Starfleet can relocate their Starships where they need them.
Without Federation presence and only starting to rebuild the fleet - the True Way sees that as an opportunity to strike and try to take control. Thus, we have the new nemessis, similar to the Tal'Shiar in the case of the Romulan Republic. So, the Detapa Council decides to play it nice with all the major powers, hoping to gain support in the war against the True Way and that's where the KDF steps in. After years of the Union being close to the Federation, Jmpok wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to have the Cardassians neutral just like the Romulans and would offer a helping hand. Boom - now the Cardassians can ally with both main factions.
What other powers forbid the Cardassians to start building a new fleet? The only thing keeping them from starting mass production of starships is the treaty that was made between the Detapa Council and the Federation. If the Federation decides that the Cardassians have reformed enough to take care of themselves they'll allow it. It's strictly between the Federation and the Cardassian Union. That's the main of the powers that won the Dominion War. The other 2:
RSE is dead so they are irrelevant.
The Klingon Empire is at war with the Federation, so the Feds. can consider any agreements they had with them void.
IDK what other major powers are rellevant besides these 3. The Breen and the Tholians are not being asked anything. The Ferengi Alliance, if you can consider them a major power, are already cooperating with the Cardassian government and selling them dilithium crystals that can be used in starship construction.
They are the next logical choice if any more factions would be added. The Ferengi won't be a faction because we have playable Ferengi as part of the Federation as oposed to no options of creating real Cardassians yet.
That's easy - Make the Galor Retrofit offered to the Cardassian faction much more powerfull, stick a high price of 2.5 k Zen and offer the upgrade of the present Galor to this new more powerfull one for free to those who have one.
I know, but he's my all time favourite Star Trek character so I had to point him out! :cool:
However, I really don't consider Gul Dukat to be two-dimensional and neither were Natima Lang, Legate Damar, the two Cardassian scientists that were spying for the Obsidian Order on DS9 that I can't remember their names atm, nor Aamin Marritza or Tekeny Ghemor in that regard. Far from two-dimensional, I consider the Cardassians to be the biggest enigma.
I agree with this too. This is another way in which it could work.
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I would've liked for the Romulans to have had more of an independent standing, but I understand why they made the choice they made both from a game mechanics point and gameverse point. I do still hope for some future exclusive content for each of the current factions. In fact, I'd rather see dev efforts put more towards fixing the content balance KDF side is still hurting even with the revisions and changes they've done since the early days of the game.
Going from Trek canon, I'd see it more reasonable to allow a playable Cardassian race in the choices for making a character at this time given current game resources.
Well you also have to consider they've changed since DS9, honestly in a lot of ways I would consider them sorta like a weaker version of the Romulan Republic. I mean they seem to be trying to genuinely change, the True Way is their version of the Tal Shiar...trying to keep the old ways going by force.
They should work on bugs and endgame, both PvE and PvP...but that doesn't mean they can't start working on some ideas in the background for a new faction months and or years from now.
The need to Ally with one of the 2 main factions, as the Romulans have to, pretty much make the water down effect moot.
I expect at least 2 more factions added over time, Cardassian and Liberated Borg.
If the Dominion aren't linked to the Cardassians, they might come in as their own faction at some point. I see Undine as a very very remote possibility as well.
I agree. I probably forgot to mention her because you did in a post before the one I made with a link and all, so subconsciosly I considered it covered.
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I agree. A lot of work needs to be done but at some point a playable cardie faction in some form would be great.
What about Dukat's daughter? I know she was only half Cardassian, but you can't get much more... innocent than that.
There was also that team of scientists that visited DS9 that one time; they didn't seem... typical. The problem is, most of the Cardassians we've seen have been from the Military, and they've all got to follow certain protocol.
I fully expect you to be right about this.
I created and played a Romulan when LoR first came about; I finished all of the Romulan-specific missions, and then everything was the same as what I'd been doing before so I ended up deleting the character. If Cryptic want me to play as a Romulan, they need to give me a reason to do so (end game).
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