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How do you feel about a playable Cardassian faction next?
captainleavitt
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I think this could really work. Seeing the amazing job the dev team did with the LOR expansion I think this would turn out very well. Let me state for the record that I really don't think a Dominion faction will work as that would mean opening up the wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant and we don't even have a complete Alpha Quadrant yet. How would this work you say? Well after LOR we know the devs can make a good story. Lets take a look at the Cardassion Union as they are now. After the dominion war Cardassia is on the brink of a total economy collapse not to mention a civil war of sorts with the True Way. The Federation has made Cardassia a protectorate state and is helping to rebuild there world and beyond.
Now lets look at how this could be implemented. Obviosly the Cardassian military would be in conflict with the true way, but the main story arc would be very similar to the Romulan Republic's story by way of rebuilding a shattered power into the feared one it used to be. Who knows. The Cardassions could be secretly building up there military forces or even rebuilding the Obsidian Order. Theres opportunity here for conquest, infiltration, and intrigue.
Now obviously there would have to be content from 1-50 or atleast the same leveling progress that was done with the RR. There would have to be proper uniforms, weapons, and ships. The Galor, Keldon, and Heideki classes would have to be included and Cryptic could make there own designs to fill in the gaps. The Galor that's from the lock box would have to stay available as you can't take that back. I would imagine that a portion of Cardassia Prime would be recreated to serve as base camp very much so like the Klingon homeworld.
The Cardassions would be (ALLIED) with the Federation only as Klingons and Cardassians are well documented enemies. This would give Cardassian players access to fleet equipment and so forth. Also they need to upgrade the character creater to make (TRUE) Cardassian bodies so they work with all costumes. The options available in the character creator are ok at best for alien gen but are really lacking. This is true mostly for female characters. The scales are all over the body, not just the face !!! Also proper necks and color options for females as they have blue pigmentation in areas.
I really believe this could work and I really want to see it happen although it probably won't for atleast another 3 years lol. I hope the devs make a poll on what the next playable faction will be and I look forward to seeing how much buzz this idea will generate.
Now lets look at how this could be implemented. Obviosly the Cardassian military would be in conflict with the true way, but the main story arc would be very similar to the Romulan Republic's story by way of rebuilding a shattered power into the feared one it used to be. Who knows. The Cardassions could be secretly building up there military forces or even rebuilding the Obsidian Order. Theres opportunity here for conquest, infiltration, and intrigue.
Now obviously there would have to be content from 1-50 or atleast the same leveling progress that was done with the RR. There would have to be proper uniforms, weapons, and ships. The Galor, Keldon, and Heideki classes would have to be included and Cryptic could make there own designs to fill in the gaps. The Galor that's from the lock box would have to stay available as you can't take that back. I would imagine that a portion of Cardassia Prime would be recreated to serve as base camp very much so like the Klingon homeworld.
The Cardassions would be (ALLIED) with the Federation only as Klingons and Cardassians are well documented enemies. This would give Cardassian players access to fleet equipment and so forth. Also they need to upgrade the character creater to make (TRUE) Cardassian bodies so they work with all costumes. The options available in the character creator are ok at best for alien gen but are really lacking. This is true mostly for female characters. The scales are all over the body, not just the face !!! Also proper necks and color options for females as they have blue pigmentation in areas.
I really believe this could work and I really want to see it happen although it probably won't for atleast another 3 years lol. I hope the devs make a poll on what the next playable faction will be and I look forward to seeing how much buzz this idea will generate.
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Thanks to DS9 we've seen more Cardassian culture than most aliens, too.
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What would be nice is if the 'official' Cardassian government remained Federation toadies, and the True Way joined forces with the Klingon Empire. It never really made sense to me that the Klingon Empire be fighting the True Way. . .they're much more of a threat to the Federation and its interests in the region.
That way I could RP as an older-style Cardassian military officer
The reason being is how low the Dominion War brought the Cardassians. The Dominion treated the Cardassians exactly like cannon fodder, esp. after the Breen joined the "alliance." At the final Battle of Cardassia their military was being grinded by the Fed/Rom/Klingon alliance, then in turn was fighting the Dominion. On the planet itself, the Dominion began to massacre the Cardassians on a massive scale.
With the loss of Romulus, at least the Romulan military was still vastly intact. One could lay a claim for the Romulans to have still been one of the premier powers of the quadrant, though replacing losses would be problematic with the loss of the home planet, as well as manpower losses.
But the Cardassians? Their military was decimated. Large numbers of civillians were killed on Cardassia by the Jem'Hadar. Even with what we know of them in STO's timeline, they are still very much in the post-war shock of the Dominion War and will not be a player in the quadrant for decades to come.
The only thing Cardassian related that I *can* see being done is a small True Way faction, but they're not power players in the quadrant, and more of a minor nuisance to any of the major powers like the Federation and Klingon Empire.
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Now, if you REALLY want to see a threat that warrants full Alpha Quadrant attention: Kick off the Second Dominion War. Playable Dominion faction. Playable Jem'Hadar & Vorta. Full lineup of traditional DS9 era warships, along with new designs. Experience a life of service to the glory of the Founders. See again the rivalry between the Jem'Hadar & Vorta. Play and see exactly how ruthless the Dominion is when carrying out business.
The Borg have been made a joke in STO. But a pissed off Dominion? That is the Gamma Quadrant menace that still puts potential fear into anyone from the Alpha Quadrant. It is the ONE power that brought the traditional Star Trek powers to their knees, using only a small portion of their military power.
I think that Cardassians deserve to be the next ones we can play with I really want to see them after DS9 they are my favorite species. I for one want to know what happened to them in the star trek universe.
For me watered down Cardassians would be just as bad, if not worse. I watched DS9 a lot more than TNG so I am more familar with Cardassians than Romulans and to see them as watered down pacifists doesn't really line up with my memories of the show.
If they make Cardassians as they are currently portrayed, yay +1 free char slot and more ways to make ec, personally I would like to see things portrayed in a darker light like they were in DS9. Perhaps they could write a good story that brings the Dominion back into the Alpha Quadrant to stay and then have them align with Cardassians and Breen again. I think that this would work well since in cannon there aren't that many Cardassian ships shown on screen, nor Breen or Dominion and kitbashing them together would give lots of ship options.
The only thing that would be concering is what would happen to the existing lockbox ships for the Galor and the Dominion ships (not counting the Breen ship since it wasn't a lockbox ship but it should be considered as well.). How will the lockbox ships compare to the new ships that will be introduced? Surely they cannot have equal stats since that would enrage players (not that they care mind you).
Anyways either way I cannot see Cardassians as a stand alone faction without a seriously good story to explain how they got from prideful race - to allies with Dominion - to occupied territory - to defeated by the Federation - to farmers without a military relying on the Federation for protection - to whatever they'll end up being.
IMO, the precedent set for a race as important as the Romulans was terribly bad news for future "factions" in STO.
I have to say this did intrigue me. If it was to work the Dominion would have to send a large amount of ships trough the wormhole and occupy Cardassia *AGAIN* The Federation would be in no shape to resist them at this point therefore driving them out leaving Cardassia at the Dominions mercy as they would be unable to resist as well. That's the only way I see that working. But on another note I would imagine the Cardies would despise the dominion because of what they did to them during the war which couls also explain how the Obsidian order gets reborn in the shadows.
I think it could be done well. True Way aligns with Dominion, betrays Cardassia (as is atm), Dominion comes in occupies Cardassia and instates True Way as government / obsidian order, Dominion realigns with Breen to help secure interests in the Quadrant. Bam right there makings of a great story.
That does sound interesting. On a side note the guy who said we have a lot of game mechanic problems to fix first. I agree with you 100%. You should also understand that a new faction won't happen again for a *VERY* long time which will give them time to fix issues. Whether they choose to fix these problems is another matter. Also giving there track record I would not expect to see another playable faction for another 3 years. This thread is to discuss the possibility of adding a Cardassian playable faction at some point within the next few years as the next faction.
Yeah they got some issues they need to work out right now but there's no way another faction will take 3 more years.
Their track record isn't 1 faction in 3 years, it is more like 3 factions in 3 years. They had to create the Federation and the Klingons from the ground up just like they did with the Romulans. Not to mention the fact that they changed hands from Atari to themselves to PWE. Their team is allegedly much larger than it used to be so for that arguement alone content should roll out much faster. I'd say if they have plans to do another faction soon, we'd see one within a year.
If they end up in game, great! Hopefully more people will sign up for STO and stick around because of the Cardassians. Oh, and spend money too. Yep, spend more money!
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Not everyone is an RSE canon purist.
I very much enjoy my Romulan characters.
I agree. This game breaks cannon in so many ways it's not funny any more. So on that note it really doesn't matter any more if not everything is cannon. Beside you can always use youre imagination and roleplay. Atleast that way everything does remain cannon.
Oh I enjoy my Romulan Characters as well. They make great boffs for me to sell on the exchange. Very enjoyable.
The storyline and the backstory wasn't appealing to me but the character slot and the doff missions are. I enjoy my Romulan characters as well just in a different light.
2. The current situation with the Romulans may not be eternal; the assumption that Romulans will always be forced to ally with Starfleet or the KDF is an assumption, and one which I dearly hope is incorrect. The Devs can at any time liberate the Romulans into an authentic third faction, although I doubt they'll do it next week. Nevertheless, other factions may well enter the game in the same fashion.
3. All those who have rolled their eyes at Romulan players who want to ally with the Tal'Shiar as being two-dimensional, mustache-twirling villains must be getting a real kick out of the agitation for a playable Cardassian faction; Cardies in canon have been demonstrably more two-dimensional villains than the Romulans (or Klingons, for that matter, the real mustache-twirlers, in TOS) ever were. In both TOS episodes featuring Romulans, they are shown to be relatable; "Keras" (non-canonical name of the Fleet Commander in "Balance of Terror") is a tired old warrior disillusioned by the politics of the Empire; "Liviana Charvanek" (non-canonical name of the Fleet Commander in "The Enterprise Incident") displays very human emotion, ambition, and weakness. In "Day of the Dove," we even see the ordinarily-depicted-as-nasty Klingons being rational and cooperating with Kirk and crew; and of course with the advent of TNG, Klingons and their culture were revised significantly. Of all the Cardassians we have seen, Elim Garak may be the only one who is genuinely likeable, and even he has hidden motives and occasional displays of less-than-likeable behavior.
4. Before another half-faction is introduced, I would hope that the current half-faction becomes a full-fledged faction (and that all the various bugs are fixed).
Not for any canonical reasons but purely from an MMO standpoint.
Every new faction further divides the community, if we flood this game with mini factions representing every major and minor power in Star Trek, you'll have at the end of the line nothing more then watered down mini-clubs with 10 people active each.
Most MMO's with factions tend to stick with either two or three, STO currently being 2 and a half essentially.
Don't get me wrong, I would love another faction, but their priority must be to fix what we already have before adding more on top....
Cardassians two-dimensional?!? You must mean the Obsidian Order/True Way ones, just like the Tal'Shiar currently in STO is.
I got two words for you: Elim Garak.
I'll say the same thing I said about Klingons before LoR.
No new mini-factions, period, and no new full factions until existing ones (mini or not) are finished.
Although there is sufficient story content for Romulans, I do not consider the RRF as 'finished', even if accepting the alliance system, for a variety of reasons that go far beyond any desire I may have to see the end of it. The RRF gameplay experience is absolutely riddled with synergy and general 'compatibility' issues that seem to stem from the game itself, let alone the players, not really being certain which faction you are a member of. Trying to use FED Boffs to train up RRF Boffs or KDF Romulans having tailor issues for Romulan/Reman only outfits that are not an issue for Fed-Roms are both good examples of this. Sure, they're bugs that can be resolved (or can they?), but that isn't really the point, is it, and besides, it goes a lot deeper than that.
I saw a post about RSE purists. I am one of these, but canon isn't really the issue. It's not really about how the IP is represented in the game, but rather a question of implementation and incorporation.
While the actual story content is excellent and a fine job was done with the Elachi and a lot of other things, what LoR really boils down to in the end is, in essence, two more glorified cross faction playable races with benefits when what the majority of players who now consider their Romulan/Reman characters as their main wanted was something identical to what you get when you choose FED or KDF. What's more, if you only read the LoR blurb and just download and start playing, that is EXACTLY how it appears things will be until you hit level 10.
Cardassians be warned.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
playable races: cardassians, alien, jem'hadar
and possibly Founder and Vorta
if they want to actually do work, and invent a totally new faction, and honor star trek, then yes...
the romulan faction ingame now, is perhaps, the saddest, laziest implementation of a faction i have ever seen introduced to an mmo. it is the climax of cryptics get paid for less philosphy they seem to have adopted as of late..
yes, basically this ^^
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
since the defari was made by cryptic.