When Is Gornar, The Gorn Homeworld Comming to STO? And Gorn In General...

blagorm · July 2013

The Gorn are getting tired of this blood-red "honor". THEY NEED THIER OWN HOMEWORLD! Its been WAY too long for you promising the Gorn some respect! They NEED their homeworld! (FYI, Gorn Homeworld is Gornar, AND it is swampy, like jungle, NOT LIKE PARADISE though, they call it in thier language. S'sgaron. The Planet System is: Tau Lacertae IX)

Also, its the same with the missions... WHERE ARE THE GORN EPISODES? I want to rebel against the empire! (Or in KDF Sense, I guess I have to Kill Gorn -_-)

Finally.... with the Gorn, THYE SHOULD BE BIGGER! I want to be a bulky mess ofa Gorn like a Holdch on Qo'nos.... not some scrawny mishap of one! Same with those Ra'wqu's.... I would like to be a tall version of myself as well...

Also, I HATE SPIKES! Get some new Costumes for gorn PLEASE! I would deffinetly like thoses chained pants that some Holdch have.

In Genreal, its GORNAR, EPISODE, AND CUSTOM APPERANCE!!!!

Thank you for your time!

*Rebel Gorn, S'kaa* :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

angrytarg · July 2013

I agree

I'd be in favour of adding each of the Klingon's allies/vasals/mercenaries a unique homeworld/mercenary station, unique ships and costumes and treat them like the romulan sub-faction but without the choice to join a major faction (Romulans should be made the third major faction btw). This way the Klingon side could also get more "Klingon" and not having Gorn act and speak like Klingons, no one playing a Gorn or Orion wants to be treated/portrayed as a Klingon. On the other hand when I'm playing a Klingon I don't want Orions and Gorn running around my ship etc - this works for Starfleet but not for the Klingon Defense Force.

baelogventure · July 2013

Yes, it would be nice if every race (minus Alien, obviously) got their own social zone planet we could go visit, but that would be a lot of dev time.

Gornar
Orion
Nausicaa
Ferasa
Lethean (Home planet?)

Tellar
Betazed
Bolarus
Rigel
Trill
Benzar
Cait
Ferenginar
Sauria
Pakled (Home planet?)

So, yes, quite a bit of dev work, even though I'm all for it.

wraithshadow13 · July 2013

there's a lot of wasted potential in the Gorn Playable species. I personally would like to see more into them from Character Creation as well as playable females (they wouldn't have TRIBBLE i don't think, being reptilian) as well as various different styles of them. I hate to admit it but i did like the new Gorn in the JJTREK game simply because they were more realistic, varied, had females, and yet still managed to pull of ferocious while being technologically advanced.

sander233 · July 2013

baelogventure wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice if every race (minus Alien, obviously) got their own social zone planet we could go visit, but that would be a lot of dev time.

Gornar
Orion
Nausicaa
Ferasa
Lethean (Home planet?)

Tellar
Betazed
Bolarus
Rigel
Trill
Benzar
Cait
Ferenginar
Sauria
Pakled (Home planet?)

So, yes, quite a bit of dev work, even though I'm all for it.

Yeah, unfortunately.

I think we'll be seeing homeworlds that have actually been shown on screen (Betazed, Ferenginar, Trill) before we get Gornar.

By the way, Blagorm, where did you read or hear that Gornar is a swamp? I was under the distinct impression it was mostly desert with a few wetland areas.

darthgranic · July 2013

I think this would be cool to have the home worlds of playables races open and expanded upon.

omegaphallic · July 2013

Why do people assume startrek races come from geographic uniform worlds? Odds are most would have large Oceans, but having most of Gonar coved by just swamps or jungles or deserts makes no sense as different regions would have different ecosystems.

So Gonar should have swamps, mountains, Caynons, jungles, forests, Savannahs, deserts, perhaps small artic regions at the poles, a host of climates in different regions.

Now you could have one type as more common, say swamps, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have dividity.

Now I don't expect to see all the diversity of ecosystems, only what they decide to show is fine, I'm just making a point.

lianthelia · July 2013

omegaphallic wrote: »

Why do people assume startrek races come from geographic uniform worlds? Odds are most would have large Oceans, but having most of Gonar coved by just swamps or jungles or deserts makes no sense as different regions would have different ecosystems.

So Gonar should have swamps, mountains, Caynons, jungles, forests, Savannahs, deserts, perhaps small artic regions at the poles, a host of climates in different regions.

Now you could have one type as more common, say swamps, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have dividity.

Now I don't expect to see all the diversity of ecosystems, only what they decide to show is fine, I'm just making a point.

Maybe because it happens often enough? Not every planet is like Earth and has just about every type of hospitable climate imaginable.

erei1 · July 2013

omegaphallic wrote: »

Why do people assume startrek races come from geographic uniform worlds? Odds are most would have large Oceans, but having most of Gonar coved by just swamps or jungles or deserts makes no sense as different regions would have different ecosystems.

So Gonar should have swamps, mountains, Caynons, jungles, forests, Savannahs, deserts, perhaps small artic regions at the poles, a host of climates in different regions.

Now you could have one type as more common, say swamps, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have dividity.

Now I don't expect to see all the diversity of ecosystems, only what they decide to show is fine, I'm just making a point.

Because it's Star Trek. Trek worlds are that way, real (temperate) worlds are probably different.

lianthelia wrote: »

Maybe because it happens often enough? Not every planet is like Earth and has just about every type of hospitable climate imaginable.

Yeah, because we know a lot of populated planet, except Earth. I mean IRL, ofc.

@OP, I'm not sure why they should make a whole thing about Gorn, they didn't about the Vulcan, or the Andorian, for example, and they are both major species in Trek universe. They just have a social map for their homeworld, and a few ships. Gorns already have the few ships, they may have a social map later in the future. They also have several DOFF missions, either KDF or Fed. Don't count on a full storyline about them. Maybe later in the past we will have few missions on a Gorn world, like the mission in P'jem, or the Orion related mission on Nimbus, but that's all.

Currently they are working on extending the Iconian storyline, after a really long break, probably using the New Romulus gate, and bringing back Sela one way or another. Gorn are not involved in this.

fraghul2000 · July 2013

I think the homeworld thing might boil down to: It's a lot of work for content that only a very, very small amount of people are going to use.

I mean we have Andoria, Vulcan and Bajor, but you rarely see any people other than a few doffers that beam down, accept the asylum mission and beam up again.

Same goes for the other social zones like starbase 39, K-7 or Ganalda. Even DS9 has become somewhat desolated lately.

protogoth · July 2013

baelogventure wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice if every race (minus Alien, obviously) got their own social zone planet we could go visit, but that would be a lot of dev time.

Gornar
Orion
Nausicaa
Ferasa
Lethean (Home planet?)

Tellar
Betazed
Bolarus
Rigel
Trill
Benzar
Cait
Ferenginar
Sauria
Pakled (Home planet?)

So, yes, quite a bit of dev work, even though I'm all for it.

Orion is a constellation, not a planet. The homeworld of the Orions is Rigel VII (which we have seen in TOS, via mental projection from the Talosians in "The Cage" / "The Menagerie"), now ruined by pollution and the like -- hence the alliance between the Syndicate and the thlingan Empire and the relocation of the Orion ruling class to the planet Ter'jas Mor in thlingan territory.

That said, I want Ter'jas Mor in-game as of last year, but I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer.

omegaphallic · July 2013

Actually I was under the impression that most if not all the population of the Orion homeworld moved to Ter'mor not just the elites.

sander233 · July 2013

protogoth wrote: »

thlingan Empire

[petpeeve]tlhIngan. If you're going to spell Klingon "tlhIngan," spell it right. "tlh" is all one letter, and there is no lowercase "i" in the tlhIngan Hol alphabet.[/petpeeve]

No offense meant.

darthgranic · July 2013

Vulcan and Andoria are a joke, I try to see what I could do to make a modern underground structure with a city in the backround for Andoria based off clips of the Aenar city but foundry has nothing like that. Be nice if they take the best of the best at foundry and give them some more tools to make and do better things, like make home worlds.

age03 · July 2013

It is in there the Gorn home world.

http://www.stoacademy.com/walkthrough/episodes/klingon/research_rescue/index.php

sander233 · July 2013

age03 wrote: »

It is in there the Gorn home world.

http://www.stoacademy.com/walkthrough/episodes/klingon/research_rescue/index.php

No... that's just one of the very many planets the Gorn have claims to.

denizenvi · July 2013

I'd be all up for another expansion that features Cardassians as a fed-allied faction and Gorn as a KDF counterpart. But I imagine cryptic would rather focus on a faction the majority (fed players) could play, but would also have room for KDF allies.

Maybe a compromise would be if the Gorn and Cardassian stories were intertwined enough to share resources. Like maybe the True Way and Gorn rebels make an alliance as 'governments in exile' and make a new push to seize control on their respective planets. Each faction would have some unique story and intro levels, but maybe the big episodes would involve the same shared enemy strongholds. Perhaps the levels and generic enemies would be the same, but a race-specific boss is featured for each side.

Unfortunately, breaking gorn off into a mini-faction of the KDF would be problematic, if only for existing gorn players. But if enough gorn-centric missions are playable by all, it might still feel 'Gorn' enough for more KDF-integrated lizard men. Also, the Gorn could have multiple playable races, representing a wider range of Gorn caste diversity. So even a hardcore KDF Gorn might be tempted to roll another just to get to use a different type of Gorn.

blagorm · July 2013

wraithshadow13 wrote: »

there's a lot of wasted potential in the Gorn Playable species. I personally would like to see more into them from Character Creation as well as playable females (they wouldn't have TRIBBLE i don't think, being reptilian) as well as various different styles of them. I hate to admit it but i did like the new Gorn in the JJTREK game simply because they were more realistic, varied, had females, and yet still managed to pull of ferocious while being technologically advanced.

Hey, Id liek anything for Gorn, even if I must be a Veloceraptor.... LOL.... (FYI, for Goarnar, some dinsoaur species still live bessied the REGUALR Gorn)

blagorm · July 2013

omegaphallic wrote: »

Why do people assume startrek races come from geographic uniform worlds? Odds are most would have large Oceans, but having most of Gonar coved by just swamps or jungles or deserts makes no sense as different regions would have different ecosystems.

So Gonar should have swamps, mountains, Caynons, jungles, forests, Savannahs, deserts, perhaps small artic regions at the poles, a host of climates in different regions.

Now you could have one type as more common, say swamps, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have dividity.

Now I don't expect to see all the diversity of ecosystems, only what they decide to show is fine, I'm just making a point.

*sighs* Gornar is a jungle-swamped planet, and its astomsphere does so by trapping in much of the heat from thier star. They have no poles, and its about 40% Land and 60% water in general. Sadly, the only info on Gornar, is from Beta, for Aplha explains nothing of it. FEDS have many zones of races.... Anyways... Gorns like I said (maybe) are xenphobic.... theyd be extict now because they are too stubborn to join others.... Once they are set on something, you cant change them. Continueing on topic, Gornar is Jungle like swampy place, not really a "paradise beach" or "tundra".... or even really desert (FYI, TOS; ARENA is NOT Gornar, its a planet of the Meridors. thats the confusion) In all... there should have been a sub-faction of the Gorn with thier allies either before the war or even with other sources from other things. Either way, I hope for some love for Gorn, especially if we can be bigger/bulky/taller.

blagorm · July 2013

erei1 wrote: »

Because it's Star Trek. Trek worlds are that way, real (temperate) worlds are probably different.

Yeah, because we know a lot of populated planet, except Earth. I mean IRL, ofc.

@OP, I'm not sure why they should make a whole thing about Gorn, they didn't about the Vulcan, or the Andorian, for example, and they are both major species in Trek universe. They just have a social map for their homeworld, and a few ships. Gorns already have the few ships, they may have a social map later in the future. They also have several DOFF missions, either KDF or Fed. Don't count on a full storyline about them. Maybe later in the past we will have few missions on a Gorn world, like the mission in P'jem, or the Orion related mission on Nimbus, but that's all.

Currently they are working on extending the Iconian storyline, after a really long break, probably using the New Romulus gate, and bringing back Sela one way or another. Gorn are not involved in this.

Gorn are still treated poorly byt the empire, again, they dont like it, why sjhould people be considered form the empire if they dont want to be of it? I know MANY Gorn that hate the Empire.. THATS what the rebellion they do is all about. I am not a servant tot he empire, I want to be Gorn! And I want a choice in the episodes to ally with the Gorn insead of killing them IF this ever comes out to be as they planned years ago for Gorn content.

blagorm · July 2013

fraghul2000 wrote: »

I think the homeworld thing might boil down to: It's a lot of work for content that only a very, very small amount of people are going to use.

I mean we have Andoria, Vulcan and Bajor, but you rarely see any people other than a few doffers that beam down, accept the asylum mission and beam up again.

Same goes for the other social zones like starbase 39, K-7 or Ganalda. Even DS9 has become somewhat desolated lately.

FED Bases: 5+ KDF Bases: 1....

blagorm · July 2013

denizenvi wrote: »

I'd be all up for another expansion that features Cardassians as a fed-allied faction and Gorn as a KDF counterpart. But I imagine cryptic would rather focus on a faction the majority (fed players) could play, but would also have room for KDF allies.

Maybe a compromise would be if the Gorn and Cardassian stories were intertwined enough to share resources. Like maybe the True Way and Gorn rebels make an alliance as 'governments in exile' and make a new push to seize control on their respective planets. Each faction would have some unique story and intro levels, but maybe the big episodes would involve the same shared enemy strongholds. Perhaps the levels and generic enemies would be the same, but a race-specific boss is featured for each side.

Unfortunately, breaking gorn off into a mini-faction of the KDF would be problematic, if only for existing gorn players. But if enough gorn-centric missions are playable by all, it might still feel 'Gorn' enough for more KDF-integrated lizard men. Also, the Gorn could have multiple playable races, representing a wider range of Gorn caste diversity. So even a hardcore KDF Gorn might be tempted to roll another just to get to use a different type of Gorn.

I think you hit it Gold here... I like your thinking... and Ironicly.. I have 5/10 Characters Gorn....

(Others: 2 Fersans, 1 Borg ROMKDF, 1 Reman, 1 Borg FED

tennytenten · July 2013

I would love to say I'm all for the idea of Gornar, but I feel the Letheans need more attention first, those poor guys get jack in Lethean specific content.

phoenicius · July 2013

dude, it took forever for cryptic to make new romulus, really there isn't any point in adding new planets just for the hell of it.

how many people visit vulcan or andoria, or(among new players) even know its there at all, and that you can land on it.

don't get me wrong, i want content too, but i want playable content, and really we need content that doesn't revolve around yet another ground zone, we need more space combat, not more ground, we already have new romulus, nukara and hell even defera for fleet marks farming.

atm, things people play/do more often in this game are:

PvP/item farming at ker'rat
STFs(hive or ground STFs don't really count because is too hard for most people, so they avoid it)
Mirror event when its up
Starbase 24(for feds)
Gorn/federation minefield
Klingon scout force(for feds)

with only mine trap and big dig(only fed, you'll never play big dig KDF side due to lack of people) being the only ground missions that are played at all.

fraghul2000 · July 2013

blagorm wrote: »

FED Bases: 5+ KDF Bases: 1....

Nice job missing the point...

baelogventure · July 2013

protogoth wrote: »

Orion is a constellation, not a planet. The homeworld of the Orions is Rigel VII (which we have seen in TOS, via mental projection from the Talosians in "The Cage" / "The Menagerie"), now ruined by pollution and the like -- hence the alliance between the Syndicate and the thlingan Empire and the relocation of the Orion ruling class to the planet Ter'jas Mor in thlingan territory.

That said, I want Ter'jas Mor in-game as of last year, but I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer.

Sorry brah, Orion is a planet, and the homeworld of the Orion Species, not Rigel VII

Rigel VII was the inhabited seventh planet of the Rigel system. This system was located in the Kandari sector, a region of space in the Alpha Quadrant. The planet had one moon and was the homeworld of the Kalar, a pre-warp capable humanoid species. (TOS: "The Cage"; Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, production art; TNG: "Conspiracy" display graphic)

The homeworld of the warp capable Orions, Orion was an inhabited planet in the Orion system located in the Orion sector of the Alpha Quadrant. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, production art; TNG: "Conspiracy", display graphic)

In 2269, through the assistance of the Guardian of Forever, Starfleet officers Captain James Kirk, Commander Spock and historian Lieutenant Erickson traveled to the dawn of Orion's civilization to view the planet's history unfold firsthand. (TAS: "Yesteryear")

Devna, an Orion trapped in Elysia, told Kirk that she wished to return through the time barrier and see Orion again. Kirk offered to take her back with him, but she declined, stating that she had accepted where she now was in life. (TAS: "The Time Trap")

According to Star Trek: Star Charts (pgs. 36, 45, 60), the planet Orion was located in the Pi 3 Orionis system. This planet was visited by Zefram Cochrane on his final voyage in 2120. Orion was a non-aligned world before and after 2161, the founding date of the Federation. In 2378, Orion was a destination on the major space lanes

And here is the source for the confusion.

According to The Worlds of the Federation (page 36), the Rigel system and the Orion system are one and the same. The planet Orion is the eight planet in the system.

isthisscience · July 2013

Creating social zones for all these species may be a bit much from a dev point of view - but how about a half-way house: just have at least one mission that goes to those homeworlds? It could either be a mainstream mission where everyone in that faction has the mission to that planet to interact and learn about it during a task. Or maybe it might be possible to have species-specific missions: for KDF a mission is offered to Orion if you are Orion, to Gornar is you're Gorn, to... well, you get the idea. That way each species has unique content tailored to them and their interaction with NPCs. I think that would be fantastic and would encourage new playthroughs as different species (rather than feeling like you're treated as a Klingon when you're Gorn). Harder for the Fed faction because there are so many, and less important for Romulan as there are only two and they already have a very specific storyline. But perfect for KDF.

lianthelia · July 2013

erei1 wrote: »

Because it's Star Trek. Trek worlds are that way, real (temperate) worlds are probably different.

Yeah, because we know a lot of populated planet, except Earth. I mean IRL, ofc.

@OP, I'm not sure why they should make a whole thing about Gorn, they didn't about the Vulcan, or the Andorian, for example, and they are both major species in Trek universe. They just have a social map for their homeworld, and a few ships. Gorns already have the few ships, they may have a social map later in the future. They also have several DOFF missions, either KDF or Fed. Don't count on a full storyline about them. Maybe later in the past we will have few missions on a Gorn world, like the mission in P'jem, or the Orion related mission on Nimbus, but that's all.

Currently they are working on extending the Iconian storyline, after a really long break, probably using the New Romulus gate, and bringing back Sela one way or another. Gorn are not involved in this.

I'm sorry...I must missed on the news when we made first contact with big walking talking lizards and space elves?

Have you ever looked ST planets? Vulcan is pretty desert heavy....Andoria is a ice world.

Go ahead and name me some planets in ST that are as diverse as Earth.

isthisscience · July 2013

lianthelia wrote: »

I'm sorry...I must missed on the news when we made first contact with big walking talking lizards and space elves?

Have you ever looked ST planets? Vulcan is pretty desert heavy....Andoria is a ice world.

Go ahead and name me some planets in ST that are as diverse as Earth.

And how often do we keep going back and visiting different areas of the same planet? If you took Earth just from what we saw on Star Trek, we'd think the whole of Earth is like SanFran!

sander233 · July 2013

isthisscience wrote: »

And how often do we keep going back and visiting different areas of the same planet? If you took Earth just from what we saw on Star Trek, we'd think the whole of Earth is like SanFran!

Or Los Angeles, New Orleans or Chicago.

Or France.

Or Cambridge...

Or Yosemite Nat'l Park...

erei1 · July 2013

lianthelia wrote: »

I'm sorry...I must missed on the news when we made first contact with big walking talking lizards and space elves?

Have you ever looked ST planets? Vulcan is pretty desert heavy....Andoria is a ice world.

Go ahead and name me some planets in ST that are as diverse as Earth.

You understood the exact opposite of what I said. I said, in ST, worlds are usually all the same (IE all ice, swamp, desert...). While it's highly improbable IRL, at least for temperate world.

Another social zone would be useless without any content. Risa (except for the event), andoria and vulcan are deserted, a waste of ressources. It's far to soon for a Gorn storyline. We are still dealing with Romulan, and will talk about Sela's return next. May I remind you Romulan is a major faction, and yet we waited 3 years to have them playable ? The Gorn is a minor faction, it's not even seen in TNG, DS9 and only seen once in Enterprise (mirror episode). I understand you are quite a gorn fan, but you can't expect everyone to be as fan as you are.
Even if they added the Gorn content, showing some kind of rebellion, they would have to deal with the hundreds, maybe thousands players that have a Gorn in the KDF. They can't make a Gorn faction, not enough people to play with them, not enough content, ships, and too much work. So you'd have to stay KDF anyway. They can't make you join the fed, or you'll join with unique ships from the KDF, honor guard equipement, etc... So, you'd have a rebellion, and you would stay KDF anyway ? I don't think you'd like it more.

I wouldn't mind a Gorn content, just like any other kind of content, as long as it's good. However, I want to (finally) deal with the Iconian threat. Then, I don't mind the Gorn.

When Is Gornar, The Gorn Homeworld Comming to STO? And Gorn In General...

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