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What would be a good ship design for a 5 fore weapon slot for KDF?
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If I were a betting man, I'd bet on the K'Vort. Heavier than a B'rel but just as maneuverable. I'd even accept a 5 fore slot Bortasqu redo. Being a fed player, I actually wouldn't mind a fast maneuverable ship with firepower that rivals anything the Romulans and Federation have, though I don't see a point now that there will be KDF-allied Scimitars.
Thoughts? Just no arguing please.
Thoughts? Just no arguing please.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
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I have said that the K'Vort should get the 5 fore weapon/5 tac.console combo for the KDF long time ago. So there I agree with you, although it wouldn't be as manuverable as B'rel. Let's say half of the B'rel turn rate aproximately.
I can also see the new Negh'var that is being made having 5 fore weapons, although having observed all the sillyness and uniqueness that the Feds. got during the last year and the Romulans now as well - I would like that Negh'var to be something completely new and unique to the KDF - the first broadsiding ship in STO.
What do you mean you don't see a point? If I want to be KDF, I want to fly KDF ships - the Scimitar does nothing for me. I need a KDF ship that will be on pair. The same goes for the Feds. Furthermore, I couldn't use a Scimitar even if I wanted to (which I don't) because all Tier 5 ships are faction exclusive.
What made you think we'd argue? We Klingons don't argue, we are just passionate about our discussions! :P:D
And it should unlock a new dilith-store weapon called the Disruptor Dual Turret with 150% the base damage and drain of a standard turret.
Actually I don't want them to do that, because then they sell more of them and my ship won't feel quite as elite.
But from Cryptic's point of view it would be a good idea.
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5 DHC decloak alpha anyone?
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The Disruptor Autocannon is indeed a Universal Console, and does not take up a Weapon Slot. That in itself is a boon as well as a curse. Yes, it is essentially another weapon on top of the standard 4/4 of the Bortasqu'. But for a weapon that shoots in a narrow arc, and best used at close range, and can only be fired every few minutes, it's kind of wasteful for it taking up a valuable console slot. Even the Galaxy-X's Phaser Lance is an inherent capability of the ship.
If you are indeed using the Disruptor Autocannon, you are forced to make it a cannon build to maximize it's potential.
And they can give the KDF Disruptor Wing Cannons with it.
I'm not too crazy about KDF ships, but the Bortasqu is one of my favorites among the Negh'Var, Vor'cha, K'tinga and B'rel. I think it deserves some sort of treatment, but then Fed players will whine about their Odyssey not having 5 fore slots and then they're going to make KDF players complain, which gives them a buff to a ship, which makes Romulans complain and it's a neverending cycle of hell!
It's like that Voyager episode with Red Foreman!
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
How does a Romulan ship make a KDF ship obsolete.
If they allowed every faction to fly it than yes, but currently it's only a choice for Romulans.
I'd like to see a Battle Cloaking Escort styled ship. The K'vort suggestions are great.
Honestly I doubt we'd get Battle Cloak and 5 Fore weapons and 5 Tac Consoles on the one ship. I'd even be fine if the there was a console that upgraded Cloak to Battle Cloak.
I'd like to see it have a Tac Commander, and the other 4 guys Universal. It would be a super flexible ship and almost any Klingon would love flying it. Of course they'd rather sell us a 3 pack. I'd be happy with a new Klingon ship, Cruiser, Escort or heck even a Sci ship (not with 5 fore weapons but.)
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It's perfect: a bigger meaner version of the current BoPs...that all have 4/2.
So +1 to each and the ship is ready to go.
Give her a turnrate of 12, which will put her above the current battlecruisers and below the only one missing from our T5 lineup (the K'tanco).
For the most part I'd prefer her as a ship with a Commander Eng since she was referred to as a battlecruiser in the shows, but a Commander Tac would work just as well for me at this point.
I would like to see something with at least the following, with the potential for extras in any department at the cost of extras in an other:
Turn rate 12+
Hull 30k+
Shield mod 0,9+
Weapons 5 fore, 2(+?) aft
So, as far as I'm concerned, it can be a heavy BoP, with much higher turn, but the the other things not that much higher. Or a Raptor-type, with a bit higher turn and a bit higher hull. Or even a nimble battlecruiser/destroyer-type, with a bunch more hull and higher shield mod (potentially extra aft weapon).
No hangar slots, though - the KDF has options in that department, and adding hanger slots to this one would mean it loses out elsewhere. This vessel needs to be designed to go out and meet new species, and punch them in the face, hard.
Aesthetically and in terms of preference, I'd really like it to be a BoP (K'vort?). A Raptor could be nice, but it'd have to have a decent pivot point. The Battlecruiser/destroyer solution is my least favourite, mostly because this ship would ideally close multiple gaps in the nimble-ships-with-lots-of-firepower-category (think T'varo, Kumari, 5-tac console escorts etc).
also one variant console should enable advanced battle cloak similar to b'rel (firing projectiles while cloaked)
statwise it should mirror the mogai variant, in size, turnrate and speed. in other words the klingon answer to the valdore.
Its always been my hopes to fly this ship instead of my bug. I pray Cryptic give me something of the Empire to fly that is just not the BUG.
In size? No thank you.
The K'vort was a bit shorter than the Vor'cha, usually given at 350 meters except in the DS9TM which f***ed up about half of all its ship sizes anyway.
The Mogai is 600 meters long and 900 meters wide. We don't need that.
I agree with this. The Romulan ships are ridiculously oversized. I tried to look for references on the K'Vort's actual size, but they all vary and are not supported with real credible evidence. However, most of them put the K'Vort in the range of 300x700 m.
Well, the crazy thing is that the K'vort-type's size is actually pretty consistent throughout all its appearances: shorter but wider than the Vor'cha.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3483/egiy.jpg
That includes the scene from the "The Defector" where it appears at first glance like they're really gigantic. But even there they're about 350 meters long, otherwise the scene wouldn't work:
http://www.suricatafx.com/?p=274
Presumably the wrong size in the DS9TM stems from that misconception...of course why the heck it claims the Nebula has a smaller width than the Galaxy (even though both have the same saucer) is beyond me.
Anyway the size of the Mogai in this game is...correct even though it still feels wrong.
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/8/8f/Nemesis_comparison.jpg
* K'vort class & Fleet K'vort class Cruisers: C-store/Fleet Store ship should have it's own line of secondary outfit so it can stand out from it's smaller B'rel cousin and having a weapon slot setup of 5 fore / 3 aft and a console setup of 3 tac / 4 eng / 2 to 3 Sci
* Fleet K'tanco class Cruiser: currectly the only KDF battle cruiser in STO with a winged weapon pods and i think cryptic should make a Fleet variant outfit for the K'tanco like the fleet Qin raptor or fleet Vorcha and with a weapon setup of 5 fore / 3 aft with a console setup similar of that of the K't'inga or the Vorcha battle cruisers.
* Fleet Pach class Raptor: i just think right now the raptor class in general is currectly underpowered so i would suggest the Fleet Pach raptor with it's Pujyaq skin that makes it look like a beast should have a weapon setup of 5 fore / 2 Aft and with 5 tac console setup.
The Negh'var refit has already been talked about by the DEVs so it's already in the works.
Reason I think Fed cruisers should get 5 on the saucer is because they are beams and 5 of them forward is less damage than 6-8 broadside. 5 beams on the saucer is ... who cares ... its meaningless except as a slight boost to forward damage vs 4 beams forward. And power drain will actually be its own built-in negative.
5 disruptor DHCs is something else entirely. I do not think Scim should have been given it either, TBH. Bort and Oddysey should get turn rate boosts to compensate.
Yeah, I know, I was talking about Romulan ships being oversized in general, not exclusively in STO.
The Mogai might be correct, but it still felt like flying a gigantic umbrella. :P I'd also have much to say about the sizes of everything in STO, but by now that's pointless.
Ok, from this post as well as your previous one I get the impression that you believe the Bortasqu' has 5 fore weapons. (I might be wrong, that's the vibe I got)
The 'Disruptor Autocanon' that the Bortasqu' has is a console with a very lenghty cooldown upon being used. It's very far from satisfying the requirements to be called a 5-th fore weapon. It's more similar to the spinal lance of the Galaxy-X or the javelin of the Guramba except for those being innate abilities.
Andorian Kumaris are not limited to phaser. You can put aside the wing cannons and go for a full disruptor/plasma/polaron/whatever build, with 5 DHC fore & 2 turrets rear, or any combination that works for you, really. Unlike the autocannon, the Kumari's wing cannons can be switched for another weapon.
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While the K'Vort is basically canon and could be a good fit for 5 front weps and a C-Store release (possibly even a 3-pack), I personally can't stand the fact it's an inflatable B'Rel. At this point, most of in game BoPs are ridiculously large.
So the best solution would be a raptor 3-pack, as there is currently NO Tier 5 C-Store raptor available. Here a 5 front 2 rear weps distribution fits nicely.
Last note, I can't really decide about the Neghvar Refit (that, I hope, is being prepared at this moment) having 5 fore 3 aft wep slots. Is it supposed to be a three pack as well, or a single release?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I know that the K'Vort is popular for reason, but I REALLY hope that they never put it in the game because all it is is a scaled up B'Rel model that is identical to it in every way except physical size and was done to save production time/cost in the TNG show. It was cheap to do then, it would be cheap to do now.
As for the 5 fore slot ship, I doubt we'll get one before the feds, we still need a second 5 tac console ship to equal the feds and Romulans and we don't even have that.
If we are to get a 5 slot ship, it needs to be a Raptor or a BoP, not another cruiser so we can just rework one of the existing Raptors that doesn't have a T5 refit to save cryptic time.
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
Says who?
What is so confusing for you?
That should be obivous: the claim that the Borty is supposed to be the ship with "the most forward firepower".