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Suggestion: Romulans to never use Allied ships at all
warmaker001b
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Cryptic: Remove the confusion from some of the hapless Romulan playerbase. Remove the ability to select allied ships from all Romulan characters.
* There will be no confusion from Romulan players from then on about using allied vessels throughout the existence of the character.
* It further promotes Romulans flying Romulan vessels and not a hodgepodge mixture.
* It further reinforces the following: Starfleet = Starfleet vessels, KDF = KDF vessels, Romulans = Romulan vessels.
* As far as Consoles go, "claiming" the c-store ship that was purchased allows access to the ship's console in a "bind on acquire" reward box. This way, purchased c-store ships of the allied faction will still benefit the Romulan player at the respective tier.
* End the confusion, Cryptic. Solidify the faction ship selection. The KDF made do for a long time with a small ship selection at the beginning of STO. The Romulans can do the same. Allowing Romulans use of allied ships led to this confusing mess for the herd out there. If the Romulans were to be allowed to use endgame allied ships, then what is the point of Starfleet and the KDF? If the same were to be allowed for the KDF / Starfleet to use Romulan warships, what is the point of playing the Romulans?
If you are so insistent on flying a Defiant, stick to the Federation. If you are so insistent on flying a Vor'Cha, stick to the KDF. If you're flying for the Romulans, you are to fly Romulan ships.
Simple.
* There will be no confusion from Romulan players from then on about using allied vessels throughout the existence of the character.
* It further promotes Romulans flying Romulan vessels and not a hodgepodge mixture.
* It further reinforces the following: Starfleet = Starfleet vessels, KDF = KDF vessels, Romulans = Romulan vessels.
* As far as Consoles go, "claiming" the c-store ship that was purchased allows access to the ship's console in a "bind on acquire" reward box. This way, purchased c-store ships of the allied faction will still benefit the Romulan player at the respective tier.
* End the confusion, Cryptic. Solidify the faction ship selection. The KDF made do for a long time with a small ship selection at the beginning of STO. The Romulans can do the same. Allowing Romulans use of allied ships led to this confusing mess for the herd out there. If the Romulans were to be allowed to use endgame allied ships, then what is the point of Starfleet and the KDF? If the same were to be allowed for the KDF / Starfleet to use Romulan warships, what is the point of playing the Romulans?
If you are so insistent on flying a Defiant, stick to the Federation. If you are so insistent on flying a Vor'Cha, stick to the KDF. If you're flying for the Romulans, you are to fly Romulan ships.
Simple.
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You realise why they let rommies use low level ships? Lets say you started sto with Lor - its possible you only have a rommie, thus they make more money by offering existing ships to the romulan masses
more profit, less time invested in further ship content
Plus it bolsters the possible available ship count to a nice number to use in advertising the game
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I think it was more about using the all the universal consoles for the faction you pick (in fact im 100% sure). its nice having the impulse capacitance cell and point defense system on my fed rom, and plasmonic leech and aceton assimilator for my klink rom.
you do know as of LoR feds can now use plasmonic leech?
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why yes I do..but it's free (once I unlocked it) for all my klingon faction characters. just as some of my klingons have the impulse capacitance cell, all of my Fed characters get it for free. Also, you apparently missed the whole point of my post. burstorion, said it was all about money, and I was saying its about the universal consoles.
The ship count situation even now is irrelevant for the Romulans. The KDF dealt with a meager selection also on the game's release. I'd say there should be an alternative to the D'Deridex at Commander, but from Captain onwards, the selection is quite rich. Below, there needs to be alternatives. But for most parts, the Romulans are well stocked. Especially where it matters most: Tier 5, endgame.
More Romulan playable ships will be coming for lower tiers, I'm sure of that. But their ship counts now are not that bad.
The Romulans need to be flying all Romulan ships.
I hated when they removed the Universal Borg Console from story mission and if they ever removed the ability to use ally tier 1-4 ships that would make me even more mad especially when I unlocked those ships to use from C-Store.
Then it really looks like you need to be playing your Federation character if you like Starfleet vessels that much. If you don't have one... roll one.
The Romulans to float around in a twisted mix of ships is bad enough. Now we have players in this game that cannot comprehend that the Romulan Republic is a separate, political and military power than the Federation and the Klingon Empire. For Romulans to keep with Romulan ships, it further reinforces the solidarity, identity of the Romulans' navy.
They wanted consoles from the other faction to be made available to players who worked for them didn't feel like they had to give everything up to get them, which seems reasonable to me. To make claiming the ship only grant the console if you are Romulan would likely need some new tech to be developed.
Realistically speaking, most players would probably not spend more than a few hours of game time in each tier, and its probably unlikely that they would have factions ships for all the tiers. Even if they did, the vast majority of play time for most players will be at level cap, and you can't fly a T5 allied ship, so it seems a lot of effort for a problem that will mostly solve itself through the leveling process, effort that could probably be better spent elsewhere on a feature that benefits a lot more players.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
As long as Romulans have one ship choice per tier, keep as is IMO. I don't know why it bothers anyone. The original Cryptic idea of allowing Roms to use all they way up to tier 5 was silly and that had issues. But alot of people really don't like to be forced to use a cruiser (D'Deridex). Its a different play style, and works best with a toon specced to be a cruiser character. However, most players are driven towards the escort way of life the entire story arc up to the point they get the D'Deridex. Leaving a workaround in place for newbs is essential. Please note: I get that most veteran players can make the D'Deridex work for the necessary 10 levels even if they have beam boats. Also power levels from Singularity core are a bigger issue at lower levels. Items like plasmonic leech are invaluable for Romulans. If you take away lower levels ships how does KDF/Rom get their consoles? (Yeah I know most Fed lower lvl ship consoles are TRIBBLE and not worth advocating for
I believe that most Rom characters will be seen in Rom ships. I believe this for several reasons:
1. It is a racial characteristic that separates them from the crowd -- only Roms can fly Rom vessels.
2. Singularity core -- there are plusses and minuses when compared to the Anti-Mater Warp Cores...but the special powers these cores provide are iconic and can only be done by Roms in Rom ships.
3. It feels right from a role-play perspective.
Just my .02 cents. I know that in leveling my Rom up I never put him into a KDF vessel -- I stuck with the limited selection available for Roms, and I still do.
Taking away someone else options, just because you wouldn't choose the option isn't right. MMO's are all about variability. Players should be able to do what they like.
You post reads "I don't like it when other people do this, even though it have zero effect on my gameplay, so you should take that privilege away from other players".
The current system is fine.
Just too much stuff imo.
My 2 creds is if I've unlocked it with zen, and I have access to other factional ships because I chose a side, allow me to use what I've unlocked with zen. Don't offer the dil ships, I'm good with that, but if I've unlocked a faction ship with zen, I want access to it personally, whether I use it or not (and there's a lot I've unlocked that I don't use).
I think it was that plus it saved the developers from making a full complement of T1-T4 vessels for Romulans.
My guess is they sell a lot more T5 ships - because that's where most of the action is.
I'd also guess that players generally opt for tactical vessels. I know I've found them much easier to level with. That's why warbirds are 90% tactical with just a few cruisers and one science ship at T5.
Completely disagree with the OP btw. Because presently warbirds are a long way from great and there's not much variety there anyway.
Personally I wish they hadn't taken away allied T5 vessels.
Did you just say what I think you said?
Do you understand the meaning of the word "choice"?
By definition if you only offer someone one option, they have no choice. And not having a choice often bothers people.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
There's doubtless more than a few drooling over the Scimitars but I think there may also be Romulan players - like me - who like Romulan ships, not the monstrosity developed by a rogue element in one movie.
I'm losing interest in Romulans generally, but the Scimitar and its variants don't have any appeal for me.
I have characters on each side and I have unlocked most lower tier ships from all sides. I did this for the consoles and also to help with leveling up any characters that I might decide to make in the future. Taking away Fed or Klingon ships from Romulans is something I don't support because it is taking away something someone payed for to get.
I know their are some people who unlocked some lower tier ships to help their Romulans such as getting Plasmonic Leech when they ally with Klingons. Now if you remove those ships from the Romulans then such people would be angry and I would not blame them.
You disagree with me, fair enough. I can respect your preference for "romulan ships"
My money still says we'll be knee deep in scimitars the day they're released and despite objections to the contrary from a few noble purists, the Scimitar and all of it's variations will probably become the most popular Romulan ship, at least for a while anyway.
UNLESS,......Cryptic screws up MAJORLY somehow and makes it worse than the D'deridex to fly.
But I don't see that at this point.
Cryptic knows how to make decent ships, they know how to tempt us. and we've already stomped all over "OP" long time ago many have argued.
So here we are with another costly bundle, and just a few mere months after folks, like me, just bought the legacy pack.
That ever hungry monster has to be fed, with bigger, better and more badass ships. It's not an accident that Cryptic choose the schimitar for a bundle if you ask me.
Monstrosity maybe, but it's got badass and dollar signs all over it, and the thing is FREAKIN HUGE,
But getting back to the OP's point, I think that if the scimitar sells well enough more Romulan ships will be right behind it, and then we'll see more people going for the latest green meanies over the other two faction's ships, with maybe the exception of Klingon ships. Klingon ships are just too cool.
I'm really hopin to see a "proper" dreadnought D'deridex and another T'varo variant, (I just want more cosmetic options for the T'varo TBH.)
That's what I'd spend MY money next.
I'm also waitin quite impatiently to get my hands on the Rommie 1000 day vet ship, (if Cryptic is kind, that could be the D'deridex dread of my dreams
AND a timeship Rommie.
Sorry Romulans are waning in their appeal for you. They've made a bid difference with me with the game.
However you need the option to use the other ships as you level. As some players found out they don't like cruisers. So at a certain level you get stuck with one. That way players can pick another ship.
Granted, if they add more ships later to the line up. Then they won't really need to use allied ships to level. But this method works.
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Me too, on both counts.
I'm not a fan of the Fed vet ship's appearance. Looks a bit clunky to me. But I like the KDF one. Curious about what the Roms will get but a D'deridex variant for Romulans would also please me.
New player. Came for Romulans. The D'deridex has long been my favourite ship and the opportunity to fly one just had to be taken. Turned out not to be a fantastic ship and I didn't spend much time in it.
Was ironic really. Had had no problems with content until I jumped into the D'deridex and my first mission pitted me against enemies who kept teleporting behind me. There I was spinning in circles, slowly dieing a lot for about an hour before I went and changed all my weapons.
Main reason I'm losing interest in Roms is I levelled a Fed to 50 for the sake of comparison and find them vastly superior. It doesn't help that I'm a science type and Romulans have only one science ship which isn't the prettiest and is a bit oversized.
Oh, they sure can.
For later, subsequent player characters. If this was done, sure, your current toon will have that current Fed / KDF allied ship. But later toons will not.
So, your current character will have what they currently have. But later ones, no. But with my take on it, they can access the consoles still that come with the C-Store ship.
Anyways, I repeat again: No allied ship use for the Romulans at any point in the game anymore. You will have no confusion about players wondering why they can no longer have allied ships at endgame. You will also solidify the identity of the Romulan military.
This will also kill any possibility of T5 allied ship use for the Romulans. Because if the Romulans can use T5 allied ships, why can't the allies use Romulan ships? If that happens, there will be a sh*tstorm like you have never seen before. Then we're left wondering what is the difference between factions.
Romulans should be using Romulan warships.
Not KDF.
Not Starfleet.
Romulan.
If people cannot handle that basic fact that they signed up to serve in the Romulan military, they should check themselves back into the Klingon Empire or Federation.
And if you guys insist on allied ship use, you can rest assured that you will never see more of them for the lower tiers.
Sure, you guys out there that have the max level Romulan/Reman toons now may not care, but later players will.
And you will have what the KDF suffered for years: Limited ship selection. For the Romulans' case, limited ship selection of your group's own designs.
Because Cryptic will see that the low tier allied ships will act as a filler, and they will promptly clap their hands and say, "We're done with that."
They make ships based on what sells, that is why they mostly stopped making KDF ships, because no one bought them.
However from a business point of view allowing customer to use the lower tier ships of the FED or KDF is good business sense for a few reasons.
1. It allows you to ally with your favourite faction to get a particular ship for example. Galaxy,Intrepid or Defiant class for FED Or B'rel Vorcha for KDF
2. You can only use Tier 1 to 4 which means you can use all the ships for those Tiers which means for those ones who may hate the big DD turnrate can use a ship at the same Tier to increase there enjoyability
3. This one is more important and is related to new players a lot of players came to play as a romulan giving them access to Fed or KDF ships depending on who they ally with may give them incentive to create a character for that faction, Which in turn means more money and more revenue for Cryptic as customer will want to purchase more ships, inventory space and bank space as well as lockbox keys to try and get the lockbox ships for those who want them.
I for one am not a big fan of Cryptic but can understand why they have done this. But since it seems unlikely at this time that they will release ships for the different job roles of each Tier then we have to make do.
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