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ironmako
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I have just completed my final Mine Trap mission. I just reached T5 on my rom rep, and I have gathered enough marks for the plasma thrower, which is all I want for now. But what a final battle I had to get them! :mad:
I was put on residential, and almost immediately I noticed one player was afk. I'm used to it by now, so I dont bother saying anything, but then another player off my team came on chat and said that he refused to work on our team with an afk player, so he went to the Market sector instead, and stayed with them throughout the entire mission. So we were down to just three.
I said that I would report him if he didn't comeback to help, but he just laughed it off and started speaking some foreign language (probably insulting me). But here is where it gets strange:
The two other active members on my team started having a go at ME for saying that i'll report them "people pay, so they are allowed to do what they want" and "don't be a killjoy, its just a game...".
Now, i couldn't give a thrupenny bit if they pay or not, if you go in a team game, then play as a team. If not, then go do some solo missions.
Just because you pay, does not give you the right to walk on water around everyone else. If you don't want to toe the line, then bugger off and play something else.
I am always trying to stand for whats rignt in the game, but this has left me totally disenchanted. It seems that players are runnning any game they see fit, be it if they want to be in a team or not.
I'm sure i'll need to get marks in the future, but when I do, i'll just do what I like just like anyone else. I suggest everyone goes afk, cos they obviously get away with it.
I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this, but you get more interaction from the STO facebook page than you do here, so i'll probably end up spamming their page just to get an answer. Again, probably fall on deaf ears.
I was put on residential, and almost immediately I noticed one player was afk. I'm used to it by now, so I dont bother saying anything, but then another player off my team came on chat and said that he refused to work on our team with an afk player, so he went to the Market sector instead, and stayed with them throughout the entire mission. So we were down to just three.
I said that I would report him if he didn't comeback to help, but he just laughed it off and started speaking some foreign language (probably insulting me). But here is where it gets strange:
The two other active members on my team started having a go at ME for saying that i'll report them "people pay, so they are allowed to do what they want" and "don't be a killjoy, its just a game...".
Now, i couldn't give a thrupenny bit if they pay or not, if you go in a team game, then play as a team. If not, then go do some solo missions.
Just because you pay, does not give you the right to walk on water around everyone else. If you don't want to toe the line, then bugger off and play something else.
I am always trying to stand for whats rignt in the game, but this has left me totally disenchanted. It seems that players are runnning any game they see fit, be it if they want to be in a team or not.
I'm sure i'll need to get marks in the future, but when I do, i'll just do what I like just like anyone else. I suggest everyone goes afk, cos they obviously get away with it.
I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this, but you get more interaction from the STO facebook page than you do here, so i'll probably end up spamming their page just to get an answer. Again, probably fall on deaf ears.
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Yes, he should have stuck with his team regardless. His walking off and leaving a whole area understaffed just punishes the entire 20-person group because it detracts from the overall score. Not playing the mission correctly may be annoying, he may have been acting like a tool, but isn't worthy of GM intervention. The real problem here was your AFKer.
An afker is there for free rewards, if you deny him that, he'll either start working for his rewards or leave.
It doesn't really work in a 20 man though, thus why I don't really get your teammate running off.
Honestly mate, I've never seen anything like it. But apparently its allowed, so I suggest that everyone does it, hopefully the ensuing chaos might spurn STO to put in a vote to kick system.
Kick systems are FAR from perfect.
Too many times do people get kicked because someone else dislikes them or just to grief them or out of pure greed, nearly never for valid reasons like afking or cheating.
Colony Invasion also needs "anti-stupidity" force fields so people can stop rushing ahead and aggroing every freakin' enemy on the map that constantly wipes the team due to overwhelming odds. In the end, the one player doing this doesn't get any of the bonus objectives and just screws up the mission for everyone else.
but see if you talk with some one or watching tv time goes by faster then spaming the space bar
i know this from mining in eveonline
system Lord Baal is dead
think of leechers like fleas if left untreated they multiply taking over you home right now the leccher thing has really in the last year become more common then it ever has been and think of them like fleas they are going to continue to multiply
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First off, public square? Really? Are you English or from the 1700s? Or both?
Secondly, unless you've never had cause to complain about anyone doing something that you found objectionable either due to it's immorality, illegality, or just plain annoyance factor, this perspective doesn't fly.
Even if you wouldn't personally say or do something about it, most people agree that it's an objectively 'bad' thing. And asking for a way to stop bad things from happening is neither unreasonable or abnormal.
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You words tend to make one think your one of the AFK ripoffs who sit there and spam the loot.. Got your macros all set up and everything is the impression i get..
IF PlayerX interacts with NPCx, then PlayerXTotalNPCx = +1, else -1
IF PlayerX attacks NPCx, then PlayerXNPCx = +1, else -1
IF PlayerXTotalNPCx is less than Z then Loot1PlayerX = 0, Else Loot1PlayerX=1
Maybe, just maybe - when loot drops the rate for people whom do not do anything, not even fire their weapon - should be a 'factor' in if they get any loot at all <VBG>
IF PlayerXTotalNPC99 is less than X then FinalLoot = 0
Maybe... Just maybe, when the end reward comes along, if you've either just run around in circles, not firing your weapon 'you' shouldn't get much if any loot!!
Maybe... <VBEG>
Reporting someone for not abiding within an unwritten rule of fair team play is highly illogical, and does not hold water at all. I even side with the AFK player on this one, just for being a good PUG, of course I am only jesting now. The thing is, it is a PUG group and you will almost always never get an optimal team.
The best recourse is to develop good friends, or join a Fleet that specializes in Elite STFs and Fleet Events. There are many Fleets out there that do.
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Just do what you do, pick up slack were you can, and get it done then put it behind you. granted I might be a bit biased since normally I do ground events from behind a wall of turrets and drones, so its easy for me to make up for one person in my section, 2 if my proc get me a bunch of bonus turrets.
Actually, I can blame them.. maybe the first guy is afk, maybe he got booted, maybe he's glitched. I dont know.. The rest of the leavers though, make a firm decision to abandone the team and the mission and do so willingly in the most cowardly way.. You can beat most of these missions with one man missing. hell, you can beat most of these missions with two men missing, if you apply yourself ( and i'm only tier 2 flying a mogai.. sheesh ).
I openly admit that i've seen afk-ers just sitting there, not doing a thing when everyone else has been working their asses off. I want to kill them.. I want to take my warbird and ram it up their TRIBBLE. they TRIBBLE me off, but what pisses me off most is finding myself completely alone in an estf because no one else had the balls to stick around..
You can control you and what you do.
You can not control anyone else. You can not make them do something that they have chosen to do or not do.
If you don't like PuG'ing with AFKers then don't PuG with them. YOU control YOU. YOU don't control THEM. Take responsibility for your self and your own actions.
Find some other solution to PuG'ing that allows you to play the content happily. Only group with friends, family or fleeties.
AFKer's are NOT going away. Cryptic is not going to do anything about them because that would require a video camera pointing at every single player while they are playing. Cryptic is not going to implement some voting system that will just be used in an abusive or griefing manner.
The ONLY positive, workable solution to the AFKer problem is for each and every single player to take responsibility for themselves, their gameplay and whom they choose to socialize or interact with.
system Lord Baal is dead
This. People need to get over themselves.
same could be said about this ppl that talking about this ppl
system Lord Baal is dead
I understand your frustration at all the leaver threads, all the posts, and all the peoples anger and frustration. but this has become epidemic. Soloing is not the answer. if it were we'd all be playing skyrim; alone.
The only real solution i see, is to eliminate Pick up groups. You kill you get the reward. no one else.. You dont kill, too bad. Its not like thats not an improvement. I'm sick of watching the need greed window pop up only to disappear less than two seconds afterward on kills i've made with drops I need.. I'm not complaining about the ones i can vote on and not get, I really mean the ones that disappear within a second that i cant even vote on.. eliminate the voting system.. That will eliminate the afkers.. It'll be a better game all around and everyone will walk away a little richer and more satisfied.
Ideally, everyone else would leave if anyone is AFK. Painful, but it is the 'mutual assured destruction' option.
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and whlie you wait a hour for leaving the leecher dose not because they didnt leave the group so you just penalized yourself while the leecher goes and Q's up for the next game to leech on
system Lord Baal is dead
Yes but thats Eve, this is Star Trek Online, a completely different game, you don't just spam a space bar here.
You really need to get over your self.
Now, first of all let me say I have yet to come across an "afker/leach" in any of my STF runs, but I also haven't been brave enough to run a PUG elite. However, I can imagine how that might be frustrating. I will say that you must check your logs, because if the person is rolling on drops, then you have a legitimate leech, but if not it may simply be a disconnect or the like. You can't be sure (regardless of the opinion you see a lot on the forums, not all afk players are definitely a leach). I don't know about others, but I was disconnected from a Starbase defense once, and by the time I got back in the mission was done (sadly, I missed the first successful defense I'd been in). Now, in that case, I had to pick up my marks to get them, and I chose not to. I felt it was dishonorable to do so. My point here is that you can't be sure (without some proof, such as rolling on drops) what really happened.
However, by all means report an afker. Is a single report going to do anything? Probably not. Will multiple reports on the same person catch someone's eye and lead to an action? Quite likely. Keep in mind Cryptic does try to keep the best interest of the player base in mind, so they do what they can, when they can, but they are still limited on what they can catch on their own or prevent, due to the shear number of players. It never hurts to try though.
As to the other guy, I disagree with everyone else. Report him. You asked him to come help, he refused, then you have every right to report his actions. At that point you leave it in Cryptic's hands to evaluate his actions against the rules and greater good of the game. No harm is done by reporting it, and if you are wrong or nothing can be done, then you are no worse off than when you started.
Do keep in mind people that paying does not entitle one in this or any other game. There are still rules and standards to follow, and companies will not allow one paying member to possibly cause others to leave the game. Also, you can't usually tell if a player pays or had paid anything (unless they have a specific title to give it away). Regardless, paying entitles you to no extra benefits when it comes to actions that are distasteful and/or against the rules.
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That simply does not exist as a option for many people. The fleet I am in is small, and sporadically online. None of my family or friends play.
The few people I have met in game that seem nice and reasonable are
1) on generally different schedules and play-times. Even then I need to find
2) at least four other people who are
3) willing to group for that STF,
4) aren't locked out based on the cool-down,
5) need/want the same marks
6) aren't playing on their opposite faction toon.
Also I don't have extended period of time to play, and neither do many people.
If I have 3 hours a night, that's alot. In those 3 hours, I have to doff, try to finish some quests, get my 8k dilithium, and run some STF for marks. If I try to find 4 other people that fit all that criteria I'll spend half my play time not doing anything but waiting on everyone else.
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There are several chat channels (some public, some private) where teams are formed all the time for exactly this purpose.
STF's are never a problem to get a team for (EliteSTF (invite only), and PublicEliteSTF are two very active team channels for STF's).
FleetEvent was designed for the Fleet Marks grindy stuff.
Anyone know of other channels?
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